50% Kurama BSM Naruto is top 3 list of the strongest shinobi ever [no edo states]

[iNotorious]

BSM -> EMS Madara c.c

 

[Aya San]

Good list, Maddy is indeed stronger than this kid

 

[slimreaper]

Is that so?... I don't see him matching up to EMS Madara. Nor will he match up against BSM Naruto/BM Minato. People assume PS can be withheld forever, but that is an assumption in attempt to solidify an argument in the way they want to perceive it. BSM Naruto/BM Minato can all fight for a much longer period of time than Sasuke. I don't have to explain EMS Madara considering he has 100% Kyuubi engulfed in PS cloak which is well beyond whatever Sasuke has to offer.

as of right now, the max is 8 mins. so yeah they can fight for so much longer

 

[NarutoIndra]

as of right now, the max is 8 mins. so yeah they can fight for so much longer

Lol, it is clearly beyond that, but I will go by this just so I don't have to argue on something opinionated. Only because he fights for 8 minutes in Avatar does not mean he can't use his regular KCM/SM modes. Still doesn't change the fact that Susano will be straining Sasuke's body if he uses it excessively and Sasuke's chakra will be done in no time if he attempts to spam Amateratsu for prolonged periods of time. I understand EMS helps in reducing the cost and strain these jutsu's create, but it does not nullify them. Hence, Naruto dodges anything Sasuke has to offer until Kurama is ready to enter BM avatar again. Minato simply FTG's eternally until Kurama has prepared enough chakra for BM avatar. Sasuke cannot keep up with such speeds, nor can he keep up with such absurdly large chakra's. Furthermore, KCM can now be combined with SM to further increase Naruto's speed/strength/durability/sensing capabilities/and reaction speed. Sasuke has nothing on that. KCM clones which go into SM, and SM clones which are shrouded with Kyuubi cloak all end up destroying Sasuke, while Naruto can sit down on a rock and rest. Minato can simply kept using FTG until Kurama is back up, do some TBB's, and take on a similar strategy as Naruto, but with FTG and no SM. Even if they cannot break PS (which may I add is featless, but I won't argue that since he loses with or without it) they can still dodge for prolonged periods of time and outlast Sasuke.

 

[slimreaper]

Lol, it is clearly beyond that, but I will go by this just so I don't have to argue on something opinionated. Only because he fights for 8 minutes in Avatar does not mean he can't use his regular KCM/SM modes. Still doesn't change the fact that Susano will be straining Sasuke's body if he uses it excessively and Sasuke's chakra will be done in no time if he attempts to spam Amateratsu for prolonged periods of time. I understand EMS helps in reducing the cost and strain these jutsu's create, but it does not nullify them. Hence, Naruto dodges anything Sasuke has to offer until Kurama is ready to enter BM avatar again. Minato simply FTG's eternally until Kurama has prepared enough chakra for BM avatar. Sasuke cannot keep up with such speeds, nor can he keep up with such absurdly large chakra's. Furthermore, KCM can now be combined with SM to further increase Naruto's speed/strength/durability/sensing capabilities/and reaction speed. Sasuke has nothing on that. KCM clones which go into SM, and SM clones which are shrouded with Kyuubi cloak all end up destroying Sasuke, while Naruto can sit down on a rock and rest. Minato can simply kept using FTG until Kurama is back up, do some TBB's, and take on a similar strategy as Naruto, but with FTG and no SM. Even if they cannot break PS (which may I add is featless, but I won't argue that since he loses with or without it) they can still dodge for prolonged periods of time and outlast Sasuke.

you are high if you think any naruto clones stand a chance against sasuke. hashirama whose chakra is comparable to naruto's clones are fodder before the greats just as naruto's would be.

 

[medal32]

I dont get why people dont count ET in as a normal power. Its a jutsu like any other one

 

[iNotorious]

I dont get why people dont count ET in as a normal power. Its a jutsu like any other one

If naruto learn and use edo tensei on the sage of the six paths, would it count as naruto's power?

 

[medal32]

If naruto learn and use edo tensei on the sage of the six paths, would it count as naruto's power?

yes, it would be the same thing as any other regural summon, exept he summoned a shinobi not some animal

 

[iNotorious]

yes, it would be the same thing as any other regural summon, exept he summoned a shinobi not some animal

Except he would break out of the edo tensei and then kill naruto and rule the world again, lol.

 

[medal32]

Except he would break out of the edo tensei and then kill naruto and rule the world again, lol.

at least the manga would have a proper protagonist and a fun story, a god killing everyone

 

[Xāvî1]

Good list,, But for me Nagato, DSM kabuto, > Ems Sasuke,,

i kind a agree, maybe edo nagato is on par with SM hashirama

 

[iNotorious]

i kind a agree, maybe edo nagato is on par with SM hashirama

Stop embarrassing yourself....

 

[NarutoIndra]

you are high if you think any naruto clones stand a chance against sasuke. hashirama whose chakra is comparable to naruto's clones are fodder before the greats just as naruto's would be.

KCM clones with SM don't lose any speed, unless manga suggests otherwise. Moreover, even if they do, they still effortlessly dodge Amateratsu because of the sensing and reaction capabilities they have. I did not say they would destroy him, I simply said they could keep him distorted, yet evade any attack Sasuke has to offer. Too bad that was the only argument you could come up with from my points.. And don't compare regular Hashirama clones with no SM, to KCM and SM clones. We have already seen the power of KCM clones in the war arc, now add SM and you have an unhittable target.

 

[slimreaper]

KCM clones with SM don't lose any speed, unless manga suggests otherwise. Moreover, even if they do, they still effortlessly dodge Amateratsu because of the sensing and reaction capabilities they have. I did not say they would destroy him, I simply said they could keep him distorted, yet evade any attack Sasuke has to offer. Too bad that was the only argument you could come up with from my points.. And don't compare regular Hashirama clones with no SM, to KCM and SM clones. We have already seen the power of KCM clones in the war arc, now add SM and you have an unhittable target.

one PS swipe wipes out the bunch. they are far from unhittable. the clones in the war arc all had kage level help and intel. alone they would all be fodder.

these magatama would be enough

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don't give the whole" they're just fodder zetsu" argument because clearly kishi displayed this ability to give sasuke a defense against clones. Claiming naruto's clones are unhittable is just foolish. SM naruto wasn't unhittable, Kcm naruto wasn't unhittable but somehow if you mix the two and let clones use it they would be? what manga are you reading

 

[KillerMongoose]

1. Kabuto
2. Orochimaru
3. Hashirama
4. Madara
5. Naruto

So no, he does not crack the top three.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Rinnegan Obito is always > Naruto . We haven't seen Naruto countering Kamui yet , + Obito's kamui is faster than Naruto's speed . He can beat him high difficutly though , but still is Obito's win . Naruto has yet to go to reach Obito's level .

False... but keep being in your dellusion.

Rinnegan Obito/MS Obito > BM Naruto - I agree

BSM Naruto > Every state of Obito(Except Juubi Jin)

BM Naruto has just great foot speed
SM Naruto has just great reaction time
BSM Naruto has great foot speed and great reaction time

to counter Kamui you need not only great reaction time but alos foot speed... both of which BSM Naruto has...

gg Obito.

If you mean Obito with Edo Jinchurki then it could go either way..., most likely draw.

EDIT: Keep in mind that BM Naruto was loosing to Obito due to lacking great reaction time... which Obito had. Simply supperior pure foot speed was not doing jack shit to Obito...

BSM Naruto's reaction time >Obito's reaction time> BM Naruto's reaction time
BSM Naruto's foot speed> BM Naruto's foot speed > Obito's foot speed

However: Obito's reaction time + wise use of Kamui > BM Naruto's foot speed + average reaction time

but BSM Naruto's reaction time + BSM Naruto's foot speed > Obito's reaction time + wise use of Kamui...

Frog Katas enhanced chakra arms/kurama tails could be deadly for Obito...

gg Obito

You simply don't see difference between BM naruto and BSM Naruto... sad.

It's like Lee told Sasuke.

No matter how much he can sense or see, if he cannot keep up, there's no point.

If Naruto senses that Obito is not there, what will it help him? Speed didn't help anyways either (Kurama Chãkra Mõdo as fast as Hiraishin hypothetically...).

Rinnegan Obito > BSM Naruto, although it is debatable.

Disagree completly as you don't see a point or deny it at all costs.

If Naruto's reaction time is better Then Obito due to Sage mode, then while sensing/tracking Obito's location Naruto can move away while being on defence or use this great speed to attack(Speed blitz) due to his overhelming speed.

I agree with bolded words, but speed could be divided as two categories: foot speed(swiftness speed ) and reaction time(reflex)... , and this is where it gets wrong.

BSM Naruto > Rinnegan Obito.

SM just boosts BM , nothing serious . What would SM give BM ? Speed ? No . Reactions ? Yes . What would reactions do ? Obito's Kamui speed is still > BSM Naruto's speed . [

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] . Bijuu Dama is useless . Obito can use Rinnegan Techs . It's a still high diff win .

PS - I am busy right now, that's why I'm not stretching it .

The reason why you are wrong is simple when I just take a look at bolded parts...

Kamui's speed is not > Bijuu mode Naruto's speed..., if you mean foot speed, movement speed.
but Kamui's reaction time > Bijuu mode Naruto's reaction time..., if you mean reaction time.

It makes sense as if Kamui begin to act faster then after few seconds Naruto reacts then even his great speed can save him as he reacted to late... he will get wraped and gg.

However BSM Naruto's reaction time is at least on par with Obito using Kamui reaction time..., that why BSM Naruto can reacts in the same time or even second before Obito activates Kamui and due to his overhelming foot speed finish Obito or escape from him depends if he is at offense or defence.

none of what you said is canon

But your bullshit statements are cannon, yes ?

It is cannon as Manga clearly states what enhancments the Sage mode gives to user and what enhancments Bijuu mode gives to user... combining both powers are simply going to give user all enhancments of both modes: Bijuu mode and Sage mode.

Exactly as Rinnegan Obito has Rinnegan and Sharingan(able to go to MS), and he can use both of the powers...

Manga statements clearly and simply describes what the BSM Naruto is capable of... but he just lack feats...

This is similliar to Yata Mirror, Totsuka Blade or Kamui hype... as they have no all manga feats backing up enough their hypes...

BSM has similliar hype but lacks manga panels to prove them...

BSM -> EMS Madara c.c

Possible... but only if we are going use logic and manga statements/explanations

but impossible if we are going by using just manga panels... then he is pretty much featless

I dont get why people dont count ET in as a normal power. Its a jutsu like any other one

I count this technique... but NO EDO states of characters.

Edo Tensei technique doesn't mean shit against Top tiers as SM Hashirama, EMS Madara, BSM Naruto, Rinnegan Obito and EMS Sasuke if they get intel about it.

Without intel I agree, Edo Tensei can play great role and decides on the victory.

1. Kabuto
2. Orochimaru
3. Hashirama
4. Madara
5. Naruto

So no, he does not crack the top three.

sorry but bolded part is bullshit.

ET is not going to save their asses as top tiers with intel can finish them before they will make good and wise use of ET.

BSM Naruto is top 3 or maybe even top 2 if don't include Edo states of characters...., then BSM Naruto >=EMS Madara

but Edo Madara >> BSM Naruto.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

You cant say someone is top X excluding these people. He's top 5, but not top 3.

 

[Uchicha Macho]

Naruto is still a fodder in Sasuke eyes sight