5 mistakes in Naruto, that could've change the whole story

[shelke]

Possibly true. But the Uchiha did not want to leave. They wanted to overthrow the Hokage and run the village themselves. What would Itachi or Shishui say to convince them otherwise. The night they were murdered was the night they were going to enact their coup.

Sounds like they had no intention of leaving.

As far as Obito just appearing in the village and just Kamui Naruto away.....Do you guys understand the concept of story? If he had done that then there would be no Naruto manga.

It's like asking why the machines were using humans as a source of power in the Matrix. The human body couldn't produce the amount of power the machines needed to function and the apparatuses the humans were attached to wasted more energy then the bodies powering could possibly put out.

It is a pointless question because the answer is simple. The manga would have ended when Naruto was an infant with the 9 tails inside him.

Which is why he used the term 'convince'. The slaughter by no means, even for Itachi, was the only political solution. Itachi acting as a double agent would be an incorrect statement, given that his ultimate goal was simply to cause the extinction of his own people. If he had revealed Konoha's lobby's intentions before the Uchiha that their coup was no longer a coup, but an internal incursion threat in the full knowldge of Root's head and Hokage ... then there is no man with a shred of common sense who would deny that they would have looked at this whole issue from a different angle, and yes, even leaving the village would have been a viable option.

The burden of producing a decent argument lies on you people. why did Kishimoto create such an ability that allowed for an individual to introduce an element that rendered the entire basis of the story and the so-called 'protection' Konoha provided, null and void? His question is completely legitimate, as it questions the path the writer took by creating a technique that allows for global travel, and a complete bypassing of all village defenses.

Which brings me to the expansion of this question. Why didn't he retrieve Bee himself? Why wasn't Naruto apprehended before? These questions are not foolish, but quite valid.

 

[Umari Senju]

I know that. But he could've that what am saying

I edit it

Sure he could have....but he didn't. That was his ego. The tragic mistake of many villains. I'm sure he thought the same thing. "I can catch Naruto whenever I want. But I'd rather have Sasuke capture his friend for me to foster his hatred and make him cross that line."

Obito's mistake. In the end it cost him.

 

[Darkdro]

Asking why Itachi didn't convince the Uchiha to leave has no merit to it.

-The Uchiha were the co-founders of the village. What person has a hand in creating something, but decides to leave it completely? That doesn't happen.

-What village would be willing to accept them had they left? Other nations would be suspicious of them, given that kages didn't really trust each other.

-Konoha would not be willing to let them leave. It's evident. Not because they want them to stay, but out of the fear that if they would leave...what side would they align with? The Uchiha leaving would make them potential enemies and the clan was quite powerful.

-They can't leave w/o the village noticing. It's not something that can happen overnight. If they all left at night, it's not as if they'd be able to take many supplies with them. It's not ideal.

-The Uchiha did not want to leave. Fugaku went on and on about how the Uchiha were a part of the Police Force and supposed to benefit the village/clan ties. He thought the best way for this would be for them to take over and his kin agreed. They had no intention of leaving.

Does it matter that there the co-founders of the village? There were facing extinction for there clan.

They could've left the village. Even if they get spot it, what are the leaf ninjas going to do? Tell the leaf ninjas to kill the Uchiha out of nowhere? That if they even caught up to them. Form there, they will move to a different village and gain there trust by agreeing to kill the leaf ninjas the next day, whit there help. ( what village doesn't want the Uchiha as a Army?)

 

[Umari Senju]

Which is why he used the term 'convince'. The slaughter by no means, even for Itachi, was the only political solution. Itachi acting as a double agent would be an incorrect statement, given that his ultimate goal was simply to cause the extinction of his own people. If he had revealed Konoha's lobby's intentions before the Uchiha that their coup was no longer a coup, but an internal incursion threat in the full knowldge of Root's head and Hokage ... then there is no man with a shred of common sense who would deny that they would have looked at this whole issue from a different angle, and yes, even leaving the village would have been a viable option.

The burden of producing a decent argument lies on you people. why did Kishimoto create such an ability that allowed for an individual to introduce an element that rendered the entire basis of the story and the so-called 'protection' Konoha provided, null and void? His question is completely legitimate, as it questions the path the writer took by creating a technique that allows for global travel, and a complete bypassing of all village defenses.

Which brings me to the expansion of this question. Why didn't he retrieve Bee himself? Why wasn't Naruto apprehended before? These questions are not foolish, but quite valid.

Not talking about all of his questions. I actually find some of them quite entertaining. The part of the Uchiha: what you propse could have been possible but the problem was Danzo. The man that could have bridged this conversation was confronted by Shishui. Shishui intended to use Kotoamatsukami on Danzo to remove the element of killing the Uchiha off the table....and lost his eye in the process.

I am not saying killing the Uchiha was the best option. But after Shisui's plan failed the writing was on the table and Itachi was tasked with an impossible situation.

Half this fault can be laid at the feet of both leaders. The Uchiha leader for not just simply going to the Hokage and talking with him personally and avoiding this all together. And for Hiruzen for not doing the same. Instead they chose to start a coup for being looked at with suspicion and blamed for the Kyuubi attack (which was indeed at the hands of an Uchiha)

As to your other point. This kind of thing happens in more than just Naruto. The villain is suppose to be as good as the hero in that they should have something that no one else has (Kamui in this case) (Kyuubi for Naruto) This drives the plot of any story. Simply saying why didn't he do such and such task, again kills the story mechanics. Again there would be no story if the villain did what you guys are asking.

Does it matter that there the co-founders of the village? There were facing extinction for there clan.

They could've left the village. Even if they get spot it, what are the left going to do? Tell the leaf ninjas to kill the Uchiha out of nowhere? That if they even caught up to them. Form there they will move to a different village and gain there trust by agreeing to kill the leaf ninjas the next day, whit there help. ( what village doesn't want the Uchiha as a Army

Remember what happened to the Kagra clan? The Yuuki Clan? the Uzumaki? Sure the Uchiha could have left but they are world renowned and feared. No other village would take them in and if they started their own village they would be attacked for their eyes by every other village.

The Uchiha would retaliate, Kanoha would be approached by other deligates to reign them in. then those ambassadors could possibly be captured or killed.....It would be the feuding clans era all over again.

leaving is still a very complicated choice.

 

[Chie]

Does it matter that there the co-founders of the village? There were facing extinction for there clan.

They could've left the village. Even if they get spot it, what are the left going to do? Tell the leaf ninjas to kill the Uchiha out of nowhere? That if they even caught up to them. Form there they will move to a different village and gain there trust by agreeing to kill the leaf ninjas the next day, whit there help. ( what village doesn't want the Uchiha as a Army

So, you think that the co-founders have enough humility to leave without any problem?

And you think that no outside village would find it in the least bit suspicious that they all left and were asking to join?

And you think it would have been a good option for Uchiha to randomly kill Konoha shinobi as a way to gain trust?

I'm sorry, this idea just doesn't work imo.

 

[cptenn94]

1 - Why didn't Kakashi send a Kage Bunshin in Kamui Land just for info?

2 - Why didn't Itachi Totsuka Blitz Kasime, just to get rid of him? Then Totusuka Blitz pain? (He was a double agent)

3 - Why didn't Itachi conceive the Uchiha to move to a different village?

4 - Why did Jman wright the code in the frog instead of just writing it regularly & saving time?

5 - Why didn't Tobi Capture Naruto when he was right at front of him? ( 5kage summit arc)

Other then Plot, try answering one whit manga logic. If am convince your right, will give + rep

( Only manga facts are accepted)

1. He couldnt send large objects in until the war arc. He barely was able to fire off 2-3 SMALL shots before the war. ANd kamui clearly is harder the larger object you are warping. He had no reason to explore the kamui world, and he was also pretty busy with other more important things.

2. This question is dumb. Itachi was a double agent. He had no reason to blitz kisame, and he didnt know enough about pain to want to strike. Also itachi seemed to be aware of tobi being akatsukis true leader.

Simply put though, it would be really really stupid for itachi to just randomly try to kill. Also itachi worried about what would happen to sasuke if he wound up betraying akatsuki.

3. Danzo would have NEVER allowed this to happen. The uchiha moving to a new village would have started a war, between nations trying to capture them. 2 wars were nearly started on 2 occasions. 1 for kushina being kidnapped, and 2 for a SINGLE hyuuga being captured.

4. This one is easy. Jman wrote the code to conceal the information he discovered. Pain was unaware that jman discovered his secret. Because pain didnt know that people knew his secret(due to jmans code), that left him vulnerable. Without the code, pain would have not been defeated. He could just come back again and again, to destroy the village, even if someone managed to defeat all his paths.

So basically jman encoded the information so that pain would not be aware of his weakness is exposed. Just like why spies conceal messages about where to strike.

If jman did not encode the information, then pain would have known it.

This would be comparable to the spy who gave the information on where to find Osama bin laden, writing it down on a sheet of paper "come to this address" in front of bin laden.

5. This one is a good portion of plot. Why didnt obito just warp in everywhere, and assassinate every major opposition to him?

There are 2 answers. Either it would have been too troublesome to handle fighting naruto, or he just had a ego.

He viewed his plan as perfect, and that it would not fall. That it would work no matter what. So he just didnt bother doing it now.

A better question, is why didnt he at least mark naruto with a zetsu spore. Then he couldve just kamuied to him any time.

This is the one there is not a great answer for. All the others are rational and explainable.

 

[ShadowACS]

Lmao .

 

[shelke]

Not talking about all of his questions. I actually find some of them quite entertaining. The part of the Uchiha: what you propse could have been possible but the problem was Danzo. The man that could have bridged this conversation was confronted by Shishui. Shishui intended to use Kotoamatsukami on Danzo to remove the element of killing the Uchiha off the table....and lost his eye in the process.

I am not saying killing the Uchiha was the best option. But after Shisui's plan failed the writing was on the table and Itachi was tasked with an impossible situation.

Half this fault can be laid at the feet of both leaders. The Uchiha leader for not just simply going to the Hokage and talking with him personally and avoiding this all together. And for Hiruzen for not doing the same. Instead they chose to start a coup for being looked at with suspicion and blamed for the Kyuubi attack (which was indeed at the hands of an Uchiha)

As to your other point. This kind of thing happens in more than just Naruto. The villain is suppose to be as good as the hero in that they should have something that no one else has (Kamui in this case) (Kyuubi for Naruto) This drives the plot of any story. Simply saying why didn't he do such and such task, again kills the story mechanics. Again there would be no story if the villain did what you guys are asking.

It was Itachi that would have created some kind of opportunity by revealing the full situation. You keep one group completely in the dark, yet give complete information to the other, creates a large rife for the first group. It's an elementary solution to the problem - reveal the knowledge of the coup and create a peaceful solution. I am sure Fugaku, knowing full well that their coup had already been exposed wouldn't have gone through with it. It's a matter of certainty. But given Itachi's near religious adoration of Konohan political system, one cannot even make a case for this eternal buffoon.

They didn't know it was an Uchiha. This is an information only the reader is privy to. We are told that it was a rouge Uchiha. Minato knew, as Obito told himself, but he died without telling anyone. Their suspicions were unfounded as they had no proof. You and I have proof, as we are the readers.

It's actually the technique that completely killed the story mechanics. Whether Naruto follows some poor writing tradition doesn't become a deterrent to this tradition, or hasn't. The technique was introduce far into the future. Kisimoto could have introduced some restrictions, for example, he cannot teleport wherever he feels like without leaving some residual chakra, like a mark. It was his job to restrict the technique to keep the flow of the story smooth and without major plotholes or disjunctions within a plot that got more and more fragmentary as it progressed.

Which is why the question he posed is valid.

 

[Darkdro]

So, you think that the co-founders have enough humility to leave without any problem?

And you think that no outside village would find it in the least bit suspicious that they all left and were asking to join?

And you think it would have been a good option for Uchiha to randomly kill Konoha shinobi as a way to gain trust?

I'm sorry, this idea just doesn't work imo.

Humility > Death ? No Itachi would've convince them. ( for the kids)

Will they be Suspicious? Hell ya they would. They may even make the Uchiah sleep outside the village just for safety reason.

Is it a good opinion to kill the leaf Shinobi to gain trust? Yes, if the other village insist to prove there loyalty then yes. The Uhicha was going to do either way.

 

[Umari Senju]

It was Itachi that would have created some kind of opportunity by revealing the full situation. You keep one group completely in the dark, yet give complete information to the other, creates a large rife for the first group. It's an elementary solution to the problem - reveal the knowledge of the coup and create a peaceful solution. I am sure Fugaku, knowing full well that their coup had already been exposed wouldn't have gone through with it. It's a matter of certainty. But given Itachi's near religious adoration of Konohan political system, one cannot even make a case for this eternal buffoon.

They didn't know it was an Uchiha. This is an information only the reader is privy to. We are told that it was a rouge Uchiha. Minato knew, as Obito told himself, but he died without telling anyone. Their suspicions were unfounded as they had no proof. You and I have proof, as we are the readers.

It's actually the technique that completely killed the story mechanics. Whether Naruto follows some poor writing tradition doesn't become a deterrent to this tradition, or hasn't. The technique was introduce far into the future. Kisimoto could have introduced some restrictions, for example, he cannot teleport wherever he feels like without leaving some residual chakra, like a mark. It was his job to restrict the technique to keep the flow of the story smooth and without major plotholes or disjunctions within a plot that got more and more fragmentary as it progressed.

Which is why the question he posed is valid.

All this could have been summed up in 5 words....

You just don't like Itachi XD

Let me ask you this? If Sasuke was the one tasked with destroying his clan....

....would you feel the same way?

 

[Chie]

Humility > Death ? No Itachi would've convince them. ( for the kids)

Will they be Suspicious? Hell ya they would. They may even make the Uchiah sleep outside the village just for safety reason.

Is it a good opinion to kill the leaf Shinobi to gain trust? Yes, if the other village insist to prove there loyalty then yes. The Uhicha was going to do either way.

For the kids? Lmao. The adults agreed to a coup that would cause conflict and put their children at risk.

So, the Uchiha are going to be happy sleeping on the earth somewhere?

Why kill Leaf shinobi to gain entrance to a village, when they'd just kill Leaf shinobi during the coup to gain control of the village they had a hand in founding?

I don't think it would have worked, just as you think it would have. You can continue thinking it would have, it's fine. I respect it.

 

[shelke]

All this could have been summed up in 5 words....

You just don't like Itachi XD

Let me ask you this? If Sasuke was the one tasked with destroying his clan....

....would you feel the same way?

I would. I dislike Itachi precisely for the reason that he killed his own kith and kin, and like Sasuke precisely for the reason that he sought to avenge it. What Itachi did ... is the depth of depravity for me.

 

[Darkdro]

1. He couldnt send large objects in until the war arc. He barely was able to fire off 2-3 SMALL shots before the war. ANd kamui clearly is harder the larger object you are warping. He had no reason to explore the kamui world, and he was also pretty busy with other more important things.

2. This question is dumb. Itachi was a double agent. He had no reason to blitz kisame, and he didnt know enough about pain to want to strike. Also itachi seemed to be aware of tobi being akatsukis true leader.

Simply put though, it would be really really stupid for itachi to just randomly try to kill. Also itachi worried about what would happen to sasuke if he wound up betraying akatsuki.

3. Danzo would have NEVER allowed this to happen. The uchiha moving to a new village would have started a war, between nations trying to capture them. 2 wars were nearly started on 2 occasions. 1 for kushina being kidnapped, and 2 for a SINGLE hyuuga being captured.

4. This one is easy. Jman wrote the code to conceal the information he discovered. Pain was unaware that jman discovered his secret. Because pain didnt know that people knew his secret(due to jmans code), that left him vulnerable. Without the code, pain would have not been defeated. He could just come back again and again, to destroy the village, even if someone managed to defeat all his paths.

So basically jman encoded the information so that pain would not be aware of his weakness is exposed. Just like why spies conceal messages about where to strike.

If jman did not encode the information, then pain would have known it.

This would be comparable to the spy who gave the information on where to find Osama bin laden, writing it down on a sheet of paper "come to this address" in front of bin laden.

5. This one is a good portion of plot. Why didnt obito just warp in everywhere, and assassinate every major opposition to him?

There are 2 answers. Either it would have been too troublesome to handle fighting naruto, or he just had a ego.

He viewed his plan as perfect, and that it would not fall. That it would work no matter what. So he just didnt bother doing it now.

A better question, is why didnt he at least mark naruto with a zetsu spore. Then he couldve just kamuied to him any time.

This is the one there is not a great answer for. All the others are rational and explainable.

You did answer 2 xD + rep

 

[zeezzay]

i dunno and dont care as longest Sasuke and Hinata have the most screen time in the movie <3

there sooo many plote hole in the manga

why is noodles Ashura when rly Ashura takes senju??? does that mean senju are uzamki???? nothing makes sense anymore
Hyuga were ancestors of uchiha but that a lie since uchiha ancestor is Indra, Hyuga are actually aliens from a different planet

 

[Umari Senju]

I would. I dislike Itachi precisely for the reason that he killed his own kith and kin, and like Sasuke precisely for the reason that he sought to avenge it. What Itachi did ... is the depth of depravity for me.

Then my debate with you ends here. I can find no fault in your reasoning

I conceed this debate to you U_U

 

[Darkdro]

For the kids? Lmao. The adults agreed to a coup that would cause conflict and put their children at risk.

So, the Uchiha are going to be happy sleeping on the earth somewhere?

Why kill Leaf shinobi to gain entrance to a village, when they'd just kill Leaf shinobi during the coup to gain control of the village they had a hand in founding?

1. Itachi would've have convince them not to.

2. Just for one night or two. Until they gain there trust by killing the leaf.

3. Because now it wouldn't be a one sided battle. ( Meaning Uchiha has the advantage now)

 

[Chie]

i dunno and dont care as longest Sasuke and Hinata have the most screen time in the movie <3

Naruto gets the most screen time in the movie out of the guys. Hinata and Sakura get the most out of the girls.

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[JCW]

1. Obito being a man, not a *****
2. Naruto starts going in on day one besides the bullshit. That would have been a scary site (fredo)
3. Sasuke never leaving after vote when he should have

4. Naruto and sasuke died and was asspulled from the graves

 

[zeezzay]

Naruto gets the most screen time in the movie out of the guys. Hinata and Sakura get the most out of the girls.

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hinata get the most not sakura! why did u even say sakura???
thou I agree sakura has a lot of times
Hinata >>>>>> Sakura
Sasuke >>>>>> Noodles

 

[Young Vongola]

Sorry but most of these are dumb