[Discussion] 4th Ninja war. A wasted opportunity?

[CasualMisfit]

Not really simplistic but rebundous. You can read the series and judge all you want. What iSaid was whats the use when you're not going to change anything cause we dont write it which is what iMeant by its not our manga. Never have iSeen one time in the 12 years Ive been reading naruto kishi read what a fan Thought should happen and do it. But Like iSaid there are some things iDont like either but still like iSaid iThink kishi has a reasoning to what he is doing.

I'm sorry... I've never heard of the word rebundous before... care to elaborate?

For you to say this leaves me abit baffled... Surely following that logic... whether Naruto is good or bad we should just shut up and read it? My looking at the story objectively will impact it as much all the tobi theories and other discussions... I don't agree that just because I see fault in something I enjoy... I should shut up and put up.

Further to this I want to see what others think whether they agree or not as it helps me build a decent idea of audience expectation.

First of all, I thanked the OP for this topic.

Second of all, I was fair and rated this war so far like a....3.5 out of 5. Even though some of my favorite characters like Neji, Kimimaro, and Nagato didn't get nearly enough shine, I still have been impressed with the progression of the war. Such as....

- Madara being resurrected was just EPIC WIN!

- Itachi breaking the Edo Tensei's influence was phenomenal even if it was on an accident.

- I loved the Hanzo and Mifune battle SO much!

- The Seven Swordsmen of the Mist revival was friggin awesome as well!

- The Edo Kages....wow....all of them are fantastic ESPECIALLY the Third Raikage!

- I'm liking the Naruto and Killer Bee vs. Tobi's Six Paths of Pein battle.

Also, Casual Misfit, you know this for certain? Neji's father was resurrected?!?

Yes there have certainly been good points... My all time favourite character being revived (Madara) was the highlight of this arc (for me)...

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He was shown a few other times too... I'm not surprised you missed him tho'! It seems Kishi did too!

kishi want to make naruto part 3 that's why he left a lot plot hole in this war

I feel that right now we are in part 3. Part was one introductory and made way for part 2 which played host the the main villains (Akatsuki) Atkasuki as they were are finished now... So we move on to stage 3 of the story!

(of course, that's just how I feel! xD)

 

[iKiddMars]

I'm sorry... I've never heard of the word rebundous before... care to elaborate?

For you to say this leaves me abit baffled... Surely following that logic... whether Naruto is good or bad we should just shut up and read it? My looking at the story objectively will impact it as much all the tobi theories and other discussions... I don't agree that just because I see fault in something I enjoy... I should shut up and put up.

Further to this I want to see what others think whether they agree or not as it helps me build a decent idea of audience expectation.



Yes there have certainly been good points... My all time favourite character being revived (Madara) was the highlight of this arc (for me)...

To answer your question.

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He was shown a few other times too... I'm not surprised you missed him tho'! It seems Kishi did too!



I feel that right now we are in part 3. Part was one introductory and made way for part 2 which played host the the main villains (Akatsuki) Atkasuki as they were are finished now... So we move on to stage 3 of the story!

(of course, that's just how I feel! xD)

Rebundous is a homonym to simplistic. And iDidn't say just shut up and read and not have anything to say, What iSaid was pretaing to this topic and this topic only. And when iElaborated on this topic iSaid that iThink kishi has a reasoning for what he is doing. We've seen kishi make a great manga before our eyes and iDont think he would sell us short cause as you said we are his fans who keep the manga going. We've had down times like this in the manga. This whole arc can't just be extremely mind blowing. to get high you have to have achieved low. And we are at low. But lets just give it time.

 

[Animeisalive]

maybe naruto was just over estimated? yea he's stronger, but...not invincible like alot of ppl are saying

 

[CasualMisfit]

Rebundous is a homonym to simplistic. And iDidn't say just shut up and read and not have anything to say, What iSaid was pretaing to this topic and this topic only. And when iElaborated on this topic iSaid that iThink kishi has a reasoning for what he is doing. We've seen kishi make a great manga before our eyes and iDont think he would sell us short cause as you said we are his fans who keep the manga going. We've had down times like this in the manga. This whole arc can't just be extremely mind blowing. to get high you have to have achieved low. And we are at low. But lets just give it time.

Yeah true... he's made a great manga but that's not to say he won't lose his way as it goes on... Even if he turns this around... he has still missed alot of opportunities with this arc. Unless somewhere along the line he creates a Naruto Chronicles how is he going to go back and show us the off panel action the fans wanted? Create a non-linear story backtracking through the war? Big risk but I'd be up for that!

 

[HighDef]

That's a fair point to make... however the key to maintaining any fandom is to maintain character development... there are many fans of individual characters from... let's say the Konoha 11... and yet they have been abandoned plotwise. The main focus does not have to be on these characters... but here is at least a focal point to showcase their NEW skills.

I have not so much called this are a wasted opportunity as much as I am questioning the possibility of it being such. The arc has already abandoned several interesting points... and for this much I say they were wasted... where the arc will go? Who knows?

I don't see what more needs to be developed with those characters. Lee, Neji, and the rest of the bunch have all been explained to us very thouroughly in the Sasuke Retrieval Arc in the first part of the series. As for their skills we HAVE seen them fight already since this new series started, both manga and anime, and we DO know what they are capable of. Enough to make a moveset in a game anyway.

I understand your point but it's impossible to satisfy every fan out there in a series with so many lovable characters - I'm a huge Neji fan, but even I know the story must go on.

 

[believe7]

THE FOURTH NINJA WAR.
A WASTED OPPORTUNITY?
A PREMATURE REVIEW.

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When the 4th Ninja War began. I was very excited. I thought we would really get to see other minor character shine. For example. The Konoha 11. Back in part one, on several occasions we got to witness the skills and varying abilities of other characters during the chunin exams and the save Sasuke arc.

Now that we have a situation where all characters are on the field... what have we really got to show for it?

Kakashi had a chance to go all out and show us why they call him "The man who copied a thousand jutsu" and immediately was cut away when he was about to show us his real skill. Personally I was hoping to see why they call him Hokage material in terms of strength but again... bummed out... (I was also hoping to see him use rasengan in combat )

Then we have the Konoha 11... speculated to be the next upper echelon of Konohagakure, but again... we have yet to see the majority of them display the strength they have gained over the last few years within the story. The same with the sand siblings and even the Bee's students.

Now most recently we have the 5 Kages vs Madara. This too has seemingly been cut short to favour another battle. Will we return to that battle?! I Surely hope so but I have a bad feeling alot will have happened off panel is/when it does.

Now. Naruto's new "abilities". Since gaining Kyuubi mode Naruto started out a total badass, but as time has gone on, he is proving less able. What happened to the display of speed he demonstrated against Kisame and later A? His performance against Nagato was extremely poor. Someone whose skills he should have had prior knowledge of. He was EXTREMELY lucky to have survived that. If Itachi had not given him that crow and if that crow had not worked on Itachi as it did... it would have been all over.

Then we have the fact that Naruto did no damage to Tobi whatsoever on head-butting him. Also taking a bad hit from one of the Bijuu Paths in the most recent chapter when he should have been able to dodge it. (I'm hoping all this is due to the fact that Naruto has clones running around, thus dividing his chakra making him slightly weaker)

I don't know about you... but the amount of inconsistency displayed over this arc is growing tiresome... and for the first time, I am losing faith in Kishi' as an author. If have Bleach for this kind of inconsistent inconclusive dribble.

So far I rate this arc 3/5.

What do you think? Do you feel Kishimoto isn't using this war arc to the best of his story telling ability or not?

Bashing/flaming/raging my review is welcome!

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This is also true. Not only was the Kakashi's fight cut short... but was was the 7 Swordsmen's and several other legendary characters.

Further to that. Kabuto summoned several Edos for "psychological warfare". This includes Asuma, Sai's "brother", Neji's father... you get the picture... yet again this side of the story seems to have been cast aside. Was I the only one to expect several grudges and feelings to be resolved... All we saw was Sai and Gaara...

Kishi has set up ALOT of content and at the same time has progressively cast it all to one side.

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CasualMisfit whoever u are I must say you are the man and I applaud you for stating your opinion which is factual to me. I have made this same remark in some of my threads and people tend to disagree but by the way u state your point and statement I must say u did it with humility and also substance.

I have your back on this one cause you are right the Fourth Shinobi War started great with lots of excitement and suspense. The way on how kishi elaborate on the resurrection of powerful shinobi's during the past and now made it so epic that to be so excited to see rematches and also fights that u wish u have seen could of actually been displayed. All the hype led to disappointments and That is a huge bummer u know.

I have never dislike or been bored of the main character in any cartoon so far besides this one lol. Naruto the character has been shown so much that he to me is becoming so annoying that I prefer see one of my least favorite character have some sort of screen time than him lol.Naruto was my boy at the beginning and also when he finally defeated the nine tail fox I was like hell Yeah lmao. But the start of the whole shinobi war I was just being pissed of seeing him all d time I was like where is Saskue and I dont even like saskue that much I prefer his brother any day lol. Yes I prefer see sideline characters fight than see boring naruto take the lead. I dont even care about the fight with Tobi vs Naruto and bee cause I am honestly fed up with Naruto character. All the Naruto fan boys that dislike my opinion can kiss my rear end lmao The End

 

[Baka Sennin]

yeah he bit off a bit more than he could chew with this war. imo he should have reduced the number of edo tensei massively so as to focus more on each particular battle, not skim through the swordsmen, deidara and sasori battles like in a chapter or two and ignore the konoha 11 completely apart from team 10. the tobi battle could have waited till later also.

 

[BigTDogg220]

The 4th ninja war is certainly riddled with ups and downs.

First when you summon so many different characters from so many era's, people want to see them fight...particularly the characters they're already aware of ie Hizashi, Dan, the former Kage, Hanzo more so that characters they no one would've thought twice about ie the Kin-Gin brothers. To have Dan sealed without seeing a single thing from him was pathetic and worthless. Not getting to see Hizashi vs Hiashi further degrades the value of the byakugan in my opinion. Hanzo getting dominated by Mifune was ok, but it tarnishes the Sannin title. The Kage battles were a bit better, but having Gaara's Dad go down so easily was pathetic.

I also wanted to see the fight between the kekkai genkai shinobi as well as the swordsmen of the mist, but that fight was glossed over. (One positive may be for anime fans because they may be the ones who get to watch these battles in detail, which is the best type of filler).

Second to me the idea of a war means we'll get to see a showcase of different shinobi completing different battles. This seemed to be the way the war began when the ambush squads clashed...I didn't love Sai's brother and Sasori being released because of their feelings, but that's what I expected the battles in the war to be like. Instead we get too quick battles that mainly focused on characters we already know like the Ino-Shika-Cho trio and Gaara. Where are the Konoha 11 and other knew powerful shinobi from other villages?

Exceptions:

-Darui, getting to see him battle it out was awesome even if it was only against the lame Kin-Gin brothers (who's only purpose to me is to help Tobi remake the juubi without Naruto losing the Kyuubi).

-Kitsuchi, we saw some pretty awesome things from Onoki's son/son-in-law...we still don't know which.

-Sai got to show off a bit

Biggest disappointments:

- battle lengths too quick for most...I think there were too many resurrected shinobi which lead to having to shorten battles.

- Hiashi...I know the war isn't over but I feel we missed another opportunity to see the founder of the Hyuga.

- Konoha 11 - (except Naruto and the Ino-Shika-Cho trio)...a few moves from Neji but that didn't satisfy

- Aforementioned resurrected shinobi

 

[Qberto]

I do agree that character development of the Konoha 11 was missed except for Ino-Shika-Cho,we were left wanting on background and interactions with characters like Dan and other edo characters, and battles were truncated or seemingly skipped, such as the Kakashi rampage and the Hyuga brothers. I also feel that this war isn't over yet, so we can't entirely write the war arc or series off either. There have been some cool stuff too lest we forget. Great thread Casual Misfit!

 

[HighDef]

I also wish people would understand that most of these summons did not want to fight in the first place.

 

[CasualMisfit]

CasualMisfit whoever u are I must say you are the man and I applaud you for stating your opinion which is factual to me. I have made this same remark in some of my threads and people tend to disagree but by the way u state your point and statement I must say u did it with humility and also substance.

I have your back on this one cause you are right the Fourth Shinobi War started great with lots of excitement and suspense. The way on how kishi elaborate on the resurrection of powerful shinobi's during the past and now made it so epic that to be so excited to see rematches and also fights that u wish u have seen could of actually been displayed. All the hype led to disappointments and That is a huge bummer u know.

I have never dislike or been bored of the main character in any cartoon so far besides this one lol. Naruto the character has been shown so much that he to me is becoming so annoying that I prefer see one of my least favorite character have some sort of screen time than him lol.Naruto was my boy at the beginning and also when he finally defeated the nine tail fox I was like hell Yeah lmao. But the start of the whole shinobi war I was just being pissed of seeing him all d time I was like where is Saskue and I dont even like saskue that much I prefer his brother any day lol. Yes I prefer see sideline characters fight than see boring naruto take the lead. I dont even care about the fight with Tobi vs Naruto and bee cause I am honestly fed up with Naruto character. All the Naruto fan boys that dislike my opinion can kiss my rear end lmao The End

This is a good point. There are times in the series where Naruto and Sasuke are over-exposed and seeing them does become boring. Sasuke has had alot more major battles than Naruto... With this war I almost get the impression the author is trying to make up for that with having Naruto take the helm on alot of these battles.

We have seen times when other characters become the main focus... Team Asuma for example during the Kakazu/Hidan arc. Yes Naruto came in and concluded the fight... but it was really refreshing to witness the growth of other characters. Something I expected more of in this war... we finally got to see Gai on top form in battle which was very impressive and fun and again set the scene to see more characters excel... But alas... as you say... disappointment all round.

Also thanks for the kind words!

I do agree that character development of the Konoha 11 was missed except for Ino-Shika-Cho,we were left wanting on background and interactions with characters like Dan and other edo characters, and battles were truncated or seemingly skipped, such as the Kakashi rampage and the Hyuga brothers. I also feel that this war isn't over yet, so we can't entirely write the war arc or series off either. There have been some cool stuff too lest we forget. Great thread Casual Misfit!

Agreed! This arc does have many good points... but they are almost overshadowed by the lack of character development... I am convinced and hopeful that the arc won't be a total waste and some exciting stuff is still yet to come... I'm just in mourning for the aspects that were completely overlooked. xD

Again.. thank you!

 

[NarutoKage2]

Could'nt agree more on the disappointment of not seeing Kakashi go all out. But to be fair to kishi, i did enjoy the Mifune vs Hanzo fight and the Raikage confronting Naruto/flashback chapters.

 

[iKiddMars]

Yeah true... he's made a great manga but that's not to say he won't lose his way as it goes on... Even if he turns this around... he has still missed alot of opportunities with this arc. Unless somewhere along the line he creates a Naruto Chronicles how is he going to go back and show us the off panel action the fans wanted? Create a non-linear story backtracking through the war? Big risk but I'd be up for that!

That would be awsome, But iThink just like bleach naruto will make a new arc after the war.

 

[CasualMisfit]

That would be awsome, But iThink just like bleach naruto will make a new arc after the war.

Yeah I didn't see how bleach could go on but I like the whole kinda reboot Kubo performed...

I was thinking... How could Kishi top this arc also how it feels like the end as all the legends are being shown (even if barely) and the fact that after this war... the great shinobi countries will be united... But then I got an idea... perhaps the next arc can revolve around uniting all to smaller scattered shinobi villages... The Tsuchikage said himself that after the war that will be his next goal... It could lead to all sorts of things... Or perhaps an enemy far flung from the shinobi continent. Who knows! I really hope it isn't about Sasuke not being "saved" and forming his own evil empire... that would be lame imo... Bit tired of the whole Naruto save Sasuke sub plot! =_=

 

[Frozenstein]

I agree with you, but actually I almost hate the whole shippuden. I loved the part 1 where we could see EVERY character. we saw character developments, various fights, "NORMAL" ninjas. but now... we have meteor throwing ninjas and moon creator ninjas and other bull... also I have enough of Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke. almost the whole shippuden is about them and you can't even see the other characters. where are the Konoha 11? where are the other Jounins? especially in this arc. they are nowhere. I loved the Hinata vs Pain "fight" and I was glad she was shown in the same league as Neji and yet she was shown later as a total useless character. a lot of good fights were skipped due to this Madara summoning and Naruto clone fights... I'm very disappointed.

 

[iKiddMars]

Yeah I didn't see how bleach could go on but I like the whole kinda reboot Kubo performed...

I was thinking... How could Kishi top this arc also how it feels like the end as all the legends are being shown (even if barely) and the fact that after this war... the great shinobi countries will be united... But then I got an idea... perhaps the next arc can revolve around uniting all to smaller scattered shinobi villages... The Tsuchikage said himself that after the war that will be his next goal... It could lead to all sorts of things... Or perhaps an enemy far flung from the shinobi continent. Who knows! I really hope it isn't about Sasuke not being "saved" and forming his own evil empire... that would be lame imo... Bit tired of the whole Naruto save Sasuke sub plot! =_=

Yeah extremely true. But iDont think sasuke will be defeated during this war at all. Thats where iThink kishi will be able to make his next move. But the 5 nations coing together, That would be good but iAlso dont think kishi will do that, Everyone will miss the nations They can have peace without war.

 

[naruto kyuubi]

Against akatsuki it was always the element of surprise with them.bt nw that is lost.the jsa has every information to take them out.against kin gin i wo'nt call that bested he was tricked nt defeated wth power.plus iwr ninjas were barely a shadow of their powers.stl they killed a lot of shinobi though

 

[CasualMisfit]

Looks like (given the recent chapter) We might actually see Kakashi pull off some major skill after all!

 

[Heikegani]

Looks like (given the recent chapter) We might actually see Kakashi pull off some major skill after all!

Hopefully, I wanna see if he kept any of the seven swords.
It would be darn cool if he started summoning them from scrolls and used them, but Kakashi is not really a kenjutsu guy as far as we know, so its unlikely.

 

[yeahhh]

I agree somewhat, but all that character development and showing the strengths of all those past ninja and showing all those battles would extend the manga way to much and we would not be anywhere near where we are right now in the manga...I have been reading this manga for years now and even though I LOVE it, I would not want to go on reading it for another 5 years lol. There are some major holes but I think it was necessary for Kishi to touch on the more important parts that will let the manga progress..

Besides anything we missed I'm sure will be shown in the Anime..lol