4th Kazekage vs Sasuke

[shelke]

Sasuke wins low difference based on these points I made in another thread:

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- Black Flames will burn on the point wherever the eye is focused - Which means it isn't a projectile and range isn't a factor here. If the opponent is within the range of the eye, he's a target. Don't make assumptions unsupported by Manga.

I am going to requote myself from another thread to highlight the 'eye focus' and Burning nature of a 'focused Amaterasu' before anyone starts nitpicking for the latter and its effect on Gold Sand.

1: Eye Focus:

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Flame Appearance:

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2: Eye Focus:

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Flame Appearance:

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The only reason the flame hit the Samurai, is because it went beyond the point-of-focus. As Amatersau works on line of sight, then the Flame automatically hit the next target in Sasuke’s field of vision. This can be proven through this link: Amatersu goes wherever the eye goes:

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- This is the main reason why flames you following Sasuke during his fight with Itachi, as the flames after 'focus' is complete, follow wherever the user directs his eyes.

Further scans to disprove this projectile claim:

3: Eye Focus:

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Flame hitting the Target in Sasuke’s line of sight:

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(Shee: It ignites wherever he is looking at) as Amaterasu goes wherever the eye goes:

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, or it follows line-of-sight logic.

Amatersau penetrated the defenses of a tailed beast that are nothing but living Manifestations of Chakra. It even eats through flames which are basically made out of chakra.

Amaterasu is not easily dodged as it took A a fully charged body armour:

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and body flicker:

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(See A leaving a flickering image of himself?) to barely dodge the technique by a hair. Henceforth, this easily avoidable claim is obviously false.

Not to mention Danzo saw it coming – see above scans – along with A:

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- Shee: Counter it with body-flicker - and but he got burnt to crisp and had to use Izanagi to escape death.

Obito also used Izanagi to escape the Jutsu, otherwise his clothes would have been effected. Shinra Tensai isn't a counter for Amaterasu, as it blows the flames off whilst they are still burning. In fact, Nagato never saw it coming, nor did he react to it:

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. He was burning and literally died here:

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- and only regenerated because he was an Edo. Just look the condition of his clothes, which implies that he had released Izanagi beforehand as he elucidated earlier about 'keeping secrets' from Itachi. He was obviously expecting some sort of trap.

Kazegake's Gold Sand is made heavier with a single focused Amaterasu that will spread through the gold sand like wild fire as seen with Hachibi, Danzo, Nagato and his summons, and Obito. This will melt the gold, raise its temperature, and his sand will grow increasingly heavy. He isn't protecting anyone, let alone himself.

Mei and Tsunade are one-shotted with Enton arrows or Magatama as both of them lack any speed feats to dodge them. Gold Sand OR Gaara's sand is not as fast as arrows, that is just hearsay and a funny one at that:

Sussano Arrows were too fast, henceforth Kakashi had to resort to Kamui:

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- Danzo comments that there wasn’t time for a single handseal.

His Sand also won't be be able to stop an Enton arrow, when a regular one speared clean through thick cavern spikes:

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. Enton arrows would give further penetrative and destructive power because of their temperature and Amaterasu's Chakra eating capabilities.

So anything he pulls up - not that he is fast enough to pull this off, but I'll give people here a benefit of doubt here for debating sake- is speared through Enton arrows, his sand is made heavy with a single Amaterasu. How do these people win again? These people will barely push Sasuke to Mid difference. As he can simply get close as well for a hand to hand combat with his ribs form out and Sharingan will give him extra space to dodge attacks.

He was fast enough to dodge Raikage and Bee's V1 speed effortlessly, Kazekage's sand isn't accomplishing anything, and his ribs form is fully capable of tanking a full blown lava attack and hence is sturdy enough to take on other attacks that fall in that tier. His defenses are further amplified with EMS and its immensely tight chakra consumption capabilities, and any so-called minor damage is replenished through chakra supply.

A point blank Amaterasu would finish off Kazekage before he knows what hit him as he isn't faster than Raikage using V2 Armour and Body Flicker to dodge this doujutsu. He can even summon his hawk and stand on it with this form out and use this same technique from a safe distance. People should stop spouting rubbish. These people have nothing on EMS Sasuke.

Low Difference and low-mid if Sasuke doesn't take out Kazekage first without any sweating from EMS Sasuke.

Albeit they are for Tsunade, Mei, and Kazekage, and EMS the outcome is the same. MS Sasuke's ribs form is extremely durable as I showed through this post:

Sigh Sasuke tanked Mei's point blank Lava attack. And the only reason Mist penetrated or started effecting his Ribs form was because of the factor that he was low on Chakra and even tried to climb to a higher tier, which completely sapped the last bit of his strength. The mist was NOT penetrating before he tried to climb it, and only did so after he was on his last leg; a fact accepted by Mei and Karin:

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- Mei uses Lava attack on a Rib form, which isn't surrounding Sasuke at all, yet the Lava doesn't leak inside Susano'o, not is it damaged in any form, in fact it takes a full on hit from her Guard as well. Which means Mist isn't leaking

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- It only penetrates when he tried to jump to a higher tier in the previous image and loses a ton of Chakra in the process. Both Mei and Karin attest to that -

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. So yeah, he tanked a Lava attack, took another hit, the Mist never penetrated before and only did so because he was low on

There you have it; Mist tanked effortlessly.

Amaterasu would effect his gold sand as I ventured and regular arrows would pierce through his defenses as well. He also isn't fast enough to put them up in time. MS Sasuke wins low-mid difference and is only pushed to mid perhaps because of MS's strain.

 

[nakumaru]

Sasuke wins low difference based on these points I made in another thread:

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Since when?

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- Black Flames will burn on the point wherever the eye is focused - Which means it isn't a projectile and range isn't a factor here. If the opponent is within the range of the eye, he's a target. Don't make assumptions unsupported by Manga.

I am going to requote myself from another thread to highlight the 'eye focus' and Burning nature of a 'focused Amaterasu' before anyone starts nitpicking for the latter and its effect on Gold Sand.


Kazegake's Gold Sand is made heavier with a single focused Amaterasu that will spread through the gold sand like wild fire as seen with Hachibi, Danzo, Nagato and his summons, and Obito. This will melt the gold, raise its temperature, and his sand will grow increasingly heavy. He isn't protecting anyone, let alone himself.

Mei and Tsunade are one-shotted with Enton arrows or Magatama as both of them lack any speed feats to dodge them. Gold Sand OR Gaara's sand is not as fast as arrows, that is just hearsay and a funny one at that:

Sussano Arrows were too fast, henceforth Kakashi had to resort to Kamui:

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- Danzo comments that there wasn’t time for a single handseal.

His Sand also won't be be able to stop an Enton arrow, when a regular one speared clean through thick cavern spikes:

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and

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. Enton arrows would give further penetrative and destructive power because of their temperature and Amaterasu's Chakra eating capabilities.

So anything he pulls up - not that he is fast enough to pull this off, but I'll give people here a benefit of doubt here for debating sake- is speared through Enton arrows, his sand is made heavy with a single Amaterasu. How do these people win again? These people will barely push Sasuke to Mid difference. As he can simply get close as well for a hand to hand combat with his ribs form out and Sharingan will give him extra space to dodge attacks.

He was fast enough to dodge Raikage and Bee's V1 speed effortlessly, Kazekage's sand isn't accomplishing anything, and his ribs form is fully capable of tanking a full blown lava attack and hence is sturdy enough to take on other attacks that fall in that tier. His defenses are further amplified with EMS and its immensely tight chakra consumption capabilities, and any so-called minor damage is replenished through chakra supply.

A point blank Amaterasu would finish off Kazekage before he knows what hit him as he isn't faster than Raikage using V2 Armour and Body Flicker to dodge this doujutsu. He can even summon his hawk and stand on it with this form out and use this same technique from a safe distance. People should stop spouting rubbish. These people have nothing on EMS Sasuke.

Low Difference and low-mid if Sasuke doesn't take out Kazekage first without any sweating from EMS Sasuke.

Albeit they are for Tsunade, Mei, and Kazekage, and EMS the outcome is the same. MS Sasuke's ribs form is extremely durable as I showed through this post:




Amaterasu would effect his gold sand as I ventured and regular arrows would pierce through his defenses as well. He also isn't fast enough to put them up in time. MS Sasuke wins low-mid difference and is only pushed to mid perhaps because of MS's strain.

This is beggining of pt. 2 Sasuke.

 

[shelke]

^ Which beginning? Sasuke has three beginning forms; 3T, MS with Amaterasu, MS with Amaterasu and Ribs form. Pick one.

 

[nakumaru]

^ Which beginning? Sasuke has three beginning forms; 3T, MS with Amaterasu, MS with Amaterasu and Ribs form. Pick one.

Beggining of Part 2. This should be simple. Sasuke as he was at the beggining of Part two.

 

[AGoodBoy]

^ Which beginning? Sasuke has three beginning forms; 3T, MS with Amaterasu, MS with Amaterasu and Ribs form. Pick one.

obviously 3 tomoe... If you fanboy, atleast go along with the thread..

 

[shelke]

"Whining of part two"? What does that even mean? 3 T Sharingan?

Kato attacks weigh down his Gold Dust and Sasuke is fast enough to dodge V1 Raikage and Bee, his Gold Dust isn't keeping up. 3T provides additional window to evade attacks and Sasuke simply uses his Kenjutsu or Katon in conjunction with strings to take him out directly whilst weighing down the gold dust.

Gold is an excellent conductor of heat and electricity, hence any Raiton attack and Kenjutsu in conjunction with Kusanagi would prove to be an additional plus point for maneuverability for Sasuke who can. If Gold Dust approaches Sasuke then Nagashi simply negates passes through it to the point of original user, paralyzing him instantly. Chidori Spear can also be used to paralyze him from mid range.

Mid difference win.

 

[Curse Mark]

Beggining of Part 2. This should be simple. Sasuke as he was at the beggining of Part two.

Why is this so damn hard to understand?

You guys remember when part 2 started? You guys remember what sasuke was like there?
Well thats the sasuke in this thread.

 

[nakumaru]

"Whining of part two"? What does that even mean? 3 T Sharingan?

Kato attacks weigh down his Gold Dust and Sasuke is fast enough to dodge V1 Raikage and Bee, his Gold Dust isn't keeping up. 3T provides additional window to evade attacks and Sasuke simply uses his Kenjutsu or Katon in conjunction with strings to take him out directly whilst weighing down the gold dust.

Gold is an excellent conductor of heat and electricity, hence any Raiton attack and Kenjutsu in conjunction with Kusanagi would prove to be an additional plus point for maneuverability for Sasuke who can. If Gold Dust approaches Sasuke then Nagashi simply negates passes through it to the point of original user, paralyzing him instantly. Chidori Spear can also be used to paralyze him from mid range.

Mid difference win.

The 4th isnt in contact with Gold.

Katon wouldn't do anything to the Gold. The Gold Also doesn't have to keep up, he just has Gold dust Tsunami.

 

[AGoodBoy]

he brought the gold dust from below,and protected the other kages by the side. Page 10 just shows the kages running towards gaara,page 12 shows him blocking the sand hail,the other kages werent hit,

okay,the first pane shows the raikage being attacked by the hail,then you can also see a stream of gold dust above him,the second shows his dad with his shield,the shield branches left and right,and if you look underneath the branches,you'd see the 2 kages under it being protected.

What did you underline?:|

at the SRA arc,gaara's sand kept up with and caught kimimaro several times,kimi's speed was a 4.5 in base,naruto in kn0 cudnt touch him.kimimaro was obviously faster than naruto or sasuke and he also used CS,plus he mastered his own,which means his power in CS surpassed 1tk naruto. Current gaara's sand speed could block this

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quite easily,sasuke isnt faster than the gold dust.

Activating jiton isnt a problem,it's just like a switch:|

he can simply activate his jiton on sasuke's swords and kunais,toroi needs to touch to magnetize,kazekage just turns his magnet on,and magnetizes it,hence,this is how he can pull out gold dust from the gound. Imagine being attacked vy a sword,shurikens and explosive kunais all at once,and to top it off,gold attacks.

It dosent matter if sasuke know he uses jiton,that wont stop him from controling sasuke's weapons.

True,however i'l just put it this way
match starts,he doeas a gold dudt wave from the start,mei cant stop it,she cant dodge it,cant overpower it,mist wont help,acid wont help,she dies.simple and shortU_U

During the sand shower? By that point he already lost whether he protected them or not. Gaara hit him from below. He wasn't escaping.

Part one kimimaro was a bit over naruto. But, when naruto went 1 tailed, sasuke's 2 tomoe could no longer keep up with him. Naruto was just too fast, clearly faster than kimimaro. Sasuke had to acheive 3 tomoe to see him, then had to open CS-V2 to keep up with him. Part 2 sasuke is even faster than this as I've already shown with the page of him blitzing a CS user - Notice the distance he covered, he's in base, and his sharingan is off AND He slashed the guy a few times in that one sweep (shown by the several blood splats - splats on his ankles, arms and torso)

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Sasuke has a sharingan. Those swords and shuriken (if he can just pull them from sasuke's waist) aren't hard to see and predict their movement. It's unlikely sasuke will be hit by it and he still has the speed to close the distance easily on the kazekage. A few blades aren't going to save him from an uchiha. A 3 tomoe sharingan is very powerful. Then there's this 1 last thing that the kazekage has to deal with...

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A hypnotized manda.

And we know that manda is able to traverse underground.

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Kazekage isn't going to fight manda easily. Manda is nothing like the shukaku since it can shed skin and slither underground. Plus the fact that it's actually pretty fast.

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Manda easily stomped both katsuya and gamabunta, is very quick and agile and traverses underground. Sasuke easily dodges Dust tsunami's with this. Kazekage won't even see it coming because he'd block off his line of sight. So, now, he has to worry about a controlled manda, while sasuke is fully able to rip him apart when his sharingan sees any small opening. Kazekage isn't pinning down manda, and his dust isn't killing manda. Bunta was able to take on shukaku, and manda was able to embarass bunta.
PS - Manda is definitely alive at this point. He was killed just before sasuke fought Itachi; hence, he was alive at the start of shippuden.

And the icing on the cake; Genjutsu.
Sasuke has a sharingan. He's skilled in genjutsu. The kazekage will be fooled many times with only genjutsu. Even though sasuke's genjutsu isn#t the best, it is enough to trick the kazekage into attacking in the wrong direction.

1 last thing. Kazekage's gold isn't absorbing chidori if it isn't fast enough to block it...

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The sharingan offers a sense of analysis that is just not surpassed or rivaled by normal eyes, or any other eyes for that matter. They're able to read an opponents moves to such a degree that they can even predict how the next move will go. So, Sasuke is able to change his attacks in accordance to what kazekage does. Slipping up a gold wall infront of himself would offer no protection when the sharingan already perceived this and he'd easily be able to find and exploit openings. trying to blast him with gold attacks won't work either because he'd dodge them effortlessly like he did with gaara( scans from my previous post) - Not forgetting that sasuke is within striking distance because of manda. Kazekage won't be sitting in a dome the entire fight. That would be pretty stupid considering he doesn't know what his opponent can do, and he won't be able to attack properly. His third eye gets genjutsu'd in any case.

Sasuke avoids/Tanks Sand tsunami with manda's help (he isn't saying no when he's hypnotised)
Kazekage isn't blocking chidori with his gold since sasuke can change his attack direction on the fly.
shippuuden sasuke with CS-v2 easily outspeeds gaara's sand.

 

[genii96]

@ good boy,
er..forget abt it,the sand tsunami allowed sand to ill the area anyway he dosent have an auto defence,which made him vulnerable to sneak attacks.

Actually,2t sasuke cudnt keep up with kn0 naruto,he needed 32 to keep up,base kimi utterly beat kn0 naruto and his clone army as if it wasnt a fight,he didnt even struggle a bit. He was also stronger than sasuke as well by quite a margin. I mean he beat the entire sound 4 at the same time.

He had cs like sasuke,but mastered it completely to the point of partial forms. So if an unmastered cs2 sasuke equaled 1tk naruto,what would a mastered kimimaro be?,especially as he handled his kn0 form in base without even trying.

The CS user he blitzed was a weak one,seeing how both he and suigetsu beat several of them without even breaking a sweat.


For sasuke to predict and see it,he has to be looking at it,also,did you see the amount of shurikens he threw at itachi?,then he still had several explosive tags. The sheere amount is quite much even if sasuke can dpdge them,the kazekage can draw them towards himself as a sort of weapon shield that would make sasuke think about not attacking,or he could have them keep attacking him while he activates jiton which is abt a sec or 2. Even if sasuke can dodges them he can keep usin them alongside his gold to attack from all sides,sasuke can face only one side. Once gold dust comes out it is over.

3rd eye handles genjutsus,the kazekage participated in the 3rd ninja war,which made him popular with gold dust,as the 3rd raikage stated,uchihas were alive at that moment,so he has intel on the sharingan,and wuld use 3rd eye made of gold to fight.

Chidori isnt hitting him through a gold dust wave or when he flies or if he uses stuff like gold rain to shoot saske down,and how does sasuke dodge it or avoid a gold dust wave?

Look at this size?

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and he stopped it.

If shukaku could not tank his fold attacks,neither can manda, gold is 7x times heavier than sand,manda aint goig no where.

Gold is ver malleable and can be bent into a variet of shapes,which gives the kazekage a very versatile tool to capture manda easily. No way is manda tanking a gold dust wave and walking out,it's too heavy.

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aint no way is sasuke faster than gaara's sand.

 

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@ good boy,
er..forget abt it,the sand tsunami allowed sand to ill the area anyway he dosent have an auto defence,which made him vulnerable to sneak attacks.

Actually,2t sasuke cudnt keep up with kn0 naruto,he needed 32 to keep up,base kimi utterly beat kn0 naruto and his clone army as if it wasnt a fight,he didnt even struggle a bit. He was also stronger than sasuke as well by quite a margin. I mean he beat the entire sound 4 at the same time.

I don't understand what you're saying here. It sounds like what i just said that sasuke needed 3t to see naruto in 1 tailed... Also, kimimaro never fought 1Tail naruto. That's far stronger and faster than base naruto. He gets such a speed boost that it's ridiculous.

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He out speed haku, who sasuke needed 2T to see. Whereas, sasuke can see base naruto without his sharingan.

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And blitzed sasuke.

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And with 3t he effortlessly started to dodge.

It took 3t for sasuke to finally be able to see his incredible speed( and notice that it wasn't even cloaked naruto. He had no tails yet). Whereas, sasuke fought gaara in chunnin exams with only 2T. Gaara's sand hasn't increased much in speed as seen with his fights with madara, whereas sasuke has become extremely fast. He was already fast before. I'll give kazekage the desert advantage here, because if not for that he'd be blitzed quicker since he wouldn't have that much gold dust to possibly work with.

He had cs like sasuke,but mastered it completely to the point of partial forms. So if an unmastered cs2 sasuke equaled 1tk naruto,what would a mastered kimimaro be?,especially as he handled his kn0 form in base without even trying.

The CS user he blitzed was a weak one,seeing how both he and suigetsu beat several of them without even breaking a sweat.

Sasuke only fought countless base naruto clones. Even sasuke's shown the ability to senselessly beat base naruto (did it on the roof without sharingan). Base naruto back then wasn't that tough. Also, Sasuke used a mastered CS-V2. That's why he grew his hand wings. That's what allowed him to match up to 1Tailed naruto. He was getting smashed without CS-V2.

For sasuke to predict and see it,he has to be looking at it,also,did you see the amount of shurikens he threw at itachi?,then he still had several explosive tags. The sheere amount is quite much even if sasuke can dpdge them,the kazekage can draw them towards himself as a sort of weapon shield that would make sasuke think about not attacking,or he could have them keep attacking him while he activates jiton which is abt a sec or 2. Even if sasuke can dodges them he can keep usin them alongside his gold to attack from all sides,sasuke can face only one side. Once gold dust comes out it is over.

His eyes are open, why wouldn't he be looking at it? With just 1 slight movement of the sand, he's able to predict all of this and base his next counter upon it. It doesn't even matter how fast the sand is because he's able to predict where it is before it reaches there.

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Basically, it's like tossing a ball, he's able to calculate the trajectory based of just the initial movement of it. It works the same way with the gold, and any changes are easily re-calculated.

3rd eye handles genjutsus,the kazekage participated in the 3rd ninja war,which made him popular with gold dust,as the 3rd raikage stated,uchihas were alive at that moment,so he has intel on the sharingan,and wuld use 3rd eye made of gold to fight.

Alright. I'll take your word for this. He can hit the kazekage through his normal eyes in any regard. He would most likely look at sasuke's eyes from time to time.

Chidori isnt hitting him through a gold dust wave or when he flies or if he uses stuff like gold rain to shoot saske down,and how does sasuke dodge it or avoid a gold dust wave?

I never said through a gold dust wave. I said up front and personal, within taijutsu distance, not through any gold dust. He can effortlessly dodge around the gold dust until he finds an open point to hit, and It's completely possible for sasuke to reach within taijutsu distance. By that point, kazekage can't do a tsunami; It requires the user to place their palms on the ground, as we've always seen. Before the initial wave reaches, sasuke already shunshins behind him to get out of it's way.
I already showed you the scan of manda moving under ground to flank bunta. It's not about moving through gold. It's about moving through the ground. He can't even see manda do anything at that point because he has his giant gold wave blocking his vision.

Look at this size?

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and he stopped it.

If shukaku could not tank his fold attacks,neither can manda, gold is 7x times heavier than sand,manda aint goig no where.

Gold is ver malleable and can be bent into a variet of shapes,which gives the kazekage a very versatile tool to capture manda easily. No way is manda tanking a gold dust wave and walking out,it's too heavy.

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aint no way is sasuke faster than gaara's sand.

Answered this already. Even if he isn't he can predict it's movements and essentially out speed it. Gaara's sand isn't all that quick anyway, he just raised the sand in the village which wouldn't be hard to do. Weightless lee blitzed him... Sasuke was said to be the speed of weightless lee. That's chunnin sasuke with CS, or 3t or 3 years of training. He's far faster than that now, no way sand/gold dust keeps up.
In regards to the shukaku thing, i understand that fact. My biggest point with manda was the fact that it would help in evading large scale attacks by basically slithering through the ground, or slithering around it.

 

[genii96]

No,sasuke faced kn0(naruto with kyubi chakra) with 2t,it was there he entered 3t. Kimi faced an army of Kn0 clones,not base. And each of them have the same abilities as naruto except durability. He beat each of them easily. Sasuke cudnt see kn0 naruto in 2t,but did in 3t.

Like i said,kimi faced kyubi chakra naruto,not base.

Sasuke used cs2,it wasnt mastered,his cursed seal lvl 2 comprised of wings,while kimi's comprised of a tail. All CS users can use cs2,sasuke used it for the first time,there is no way he mastered it,it was in part 2 that he mastered it. Kimi on the other hand had already mastered it,so there is no way a cs2 sasuke would be above a cs2 kimimaro at all.

He can see one side,this guy can attack from everywhere the sharingan can't properly predict unorthodox means of attavks as we saw with bee,and his gold dust attacks can be used in many ways,can be shaped,attack frm all angles,attack at several points at once,coupled with sasuke's sword and shurikens attacking from blindspots,sasuke isnt dodging much.

Kazekage can close his eyes and use the 3rd eye,thus removing any danger of eye contact.

Saying sasuke can effortlessly dodge his gild is like saying sasuke effortlessley dodges gaara's sand,
if his gold speed equaled gaara's and,and gaaara's sand was this fast

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stopping 3 entons effortlessely,

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blocking a nuke the moment it explodes,with a sand shield covering the village,and this was beggining of part 2 gaara,whose sand speed is slower than current gaara's,no way is sasuke faster.

He wont have any vision problems,because he has a third eye above looking at the entire battle,also he had cnnections with oro,he knew abt edo tensei,it is quite obvious he would know abt the snakes oro uses,or at least the workings of snakes. Also you said sasuke could use manda to tank a gold wave,which is impossible as once the gold wave hits,it will bury manda,and he wont be able to move allowing a quick gold burial. The gold dust erupts from the ground,meaning there would be gold dust both outside and inside,also flight the ambush useless,and he can spam gold attacks. Also could sasuke even use manda before taking oro?,he never used any snake oriented techs at all before oro,and never used them after oro was removed,manda was oro's summon,and would not really wanna be friends with sasuke as manda even challenged oro. This leads me to beleive he didnt have manda at that time.

When gaara did this,

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he didnt touch the ground,
the kazekga dosent have to either,since he taught those moves to gaara.

What would sasuke do if he decides to use a gold dust shower? It attacks from above like rain.

Also the mizukage can choose to use gold dust clones to help out.

 

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No,sasuke faced kn0(naruto with kyubi chakra) with 2t,it was there he entered 3t. Kimi faced an army of Kn0 clones,not base. And each of them have the same abilities as naruto except durability. He beat each of them easily. Sasuke cudnt see kn0 naruto in 2t,but did in 3t.

Like i said,kimi faced kyubi chakra naruto,not base.

Sasuke used cs2,it wasnt mastered,his cursed seal lvl 2 comprised of wings,while kimi's comprised of a tail. All CS users can use cs2,sasuke used it for the first time,there is no way he mastered it,it was in part 2 that he mastered it. Kimi on the other hand had already mastered it,so there is no way a cs2 sasuke would be above a cs2 kimimaro at all.

He can see one side,this guy can attack from everywhere the sharingan can't properly predict unorthodox means of attavks as we saw with bee,and his gold dust attacks can be used in many ways,can be shaped,attack frm all angles,attack at several points at once,coupled with sasuke's sword and shurikens attacking from blindspots,sasuke isnt dodging much.

Kazekage can close his eyes and use the 3rd eye,thus removing any danger of eye contact.

Saying sasuke can effortlessly dodge his gild is like saying sasuke effortlessley dodges gaara's sand,
if his gold speed equaled gaara's and,and gaaara's sand was this fast

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stopping 3 entons effortlessely,

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blocking a nuke the moment it explodes,with a sand shield covering the village,and this was beggining of part 2 gaara,whose sand speed is slower than current gaara's,no way is sasuke faster.

He wont have any vision problems,because he has a third eye above looking at the entire battle,also he had cnnections with oro,he knew abt edo tensei,it is quite obvious he would know abt the snakes oro uses,or at least the workings of snakes. Also you said sasuke could use manda to tank a gold wave,which is impossible as once the gold wave hits,it will bury manda,and he wont be able to move allowing a quick gold burial. The gold dust erupts from the ground,meaning there would be gold dust both outside and inside,also flight the ambush useless,and he can spam gold attacks. Also could sasuke even use manda before taking oro?,he never used any snake oriented techs at all before oro,and never used them after oro was removed,manda was oro's summon,and would not really wanna be friends with sasuke as manda even challenged oro. This leads me to beleive he didnt have manda at that time.

When gaara did this,

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he didnt touch the ground,
the kazekga dosent have to either,since he taught those moves to gaara.

What would sasuke do if he decides to use a gold dust shower? It attacks from above like rain.

Also the mizukage can choose to use gold dust clones to help out.

Your wall of post is hard to read and its very bothersome sasuke wins this even at the start of shippuden shelk post clear this up very well

 

[genii96]

Your wall of post is hard to read and its very bothersome sasuke wins this even at the start of shippuden shelk post clear this up very well

no it dosent:|

 

[Unorthodox]

no it dosent:|

Well even if it doesnt your post are worthless there is no evidence that you can come up with that can make me think 4th kazekage can defeat ems sasuke

 

[genii96]

Well even if it doesnt your post are worthless there is no evidence that you can come up with that can make me think 4th kazekage can defeat ems sasuke

this is beggining of part 2 sasuke,not ems sasuke:|.

Oh,and i can actually make a good point on how he defeats ms,(not ems) but hats for another timexd

 

[Unorthodox]

this is beggining of part 2 sasuke,not ems sasuke:|.

Oh,and i can actually make a good point on how he defeats ms,(not ems) but hats for another timexd

Sasuke could easily speed blitz him at the start of part 2 we dont even know if his sand manual

 

[HungryMaelstrom]

say Victory go's to the Kazekage... high dif

Gaaras sand is faster than it was previously, he used it to block an attack from susanoo during the 5 kage summit sequence
Sasuke was only mimicking lees taijutsu during the chuning exams, on average he isn't that fast.

When gaara faced the second Mizukage the speed in which his defesive sand barrier traveled was complemented.

Sasuke would literally have to exhaust his Mangekyo to beat the 4th kazekage, spamming ametarasu and Susanoo.
His kinjutsu and taijutsu is useless.

 

[genii96]

Sasuke could easily speed blitz him at the start of part 2 we dont even know if his sand manual

his gold speed equals gaara's sand speed

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which is much faster than beggining of shippuden sasuke,

 

[AGoodBoy]

No,sasuke faced kn0(naruto with kyubi chakra) with 2t,it was there he entered 3t. Kimi faced an army of Kn0 clones,not base. And each of them have the same abilities as naruto except durability. He beat each of them easily. Sasuke cudnt see kn0 naruto in 2t,but did in 3t.

Like i said,kimi faced kyubi chakra naruto,not base.

Sasuke used cs2,it wasnt mastered,his cursed seal lvl 2 comprised of wings,while kimi's comprised of a tail. All CS users can use cs2,sasuke used it for the first time,there is no way he mastered it,it was in part 2 that he mastered it. Kimi on the other hand had already mastered it,so there is no way a cs2 sasuke would be above a cs2 kimimaro at all.

He can see one side,this guy can attack from everywhere the sharingan can't properly predict unorthodox means of attavks as we saw with bee,and his gold dust attacks can be used in many ways,can be shaped,attack frm all angles,attack at several points at once,coupled with sasuke's sword and shurikens attacking from blindspots,sasuke isnt dodging much.

Kazekage can close his eyes and use the 3rd eye,thus removing any danger of eye contact.

Saying sasuke can effortlessly dodge his gild is like saying sasuke effortlessley dodges gaara's sand,
if his gold speed equaled gaara's and,and gaaara's sand was this fast

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stopping 3 entons effortlessely,

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blocking a nuke the moment it explodes,with a sand shield covering the village,and this was beggining of part 2 gaara,whose sand speed is slower than current gaara's,no way is sasuke faster.

He wont have any vision problems,because he has a third eye above looking at the entire battle,also he had cnnections with oro,he knew abt edo tensei,it is quite obvious he would know abt the snakes oro uses,or at least the workings of snakes. Also you said sasuke could use manda to tank a gold wave,which is impossible as once the gold wave hits,it will bury manda,and he wont be able to move allowing a quick gold burial. The gold dust erupts from the ground,meaning there would be gold dust both outside and inside,also flight the ambush useless,and he can spam gold attacks. Also could sasuke even use manda before taking oro?,he never used any snake oriented techs at all before oro,and never used them after oro was removed,manda was oro's summon,and would not really wanna be friends with sasuke as manda even challenged oro. This leads me to beleive he didnt have manda at that time.

When gaara did this,

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he didnt touch the ground,
the kazekga dosent have to either,since he taught those moves to gaara.

What would sasuke do if he decides to use a gold dust shower? It attacks from above like rain.

Also the mizukage can choose to use gold dust clones to help out.

Oh, I thought it was base. In either case, sasuke had 3 years to train and he was already strong back then... Seriously, think the guy hasn't become ridiculously fast in this time is absurd... he was able to match lee's unweighted speed, for a short period, back then. By doing what he did then( to mimic the speed), he can surpass his base speed for short periods to get around kazekage's sand easily. In this fight, Gaara would be a bigger challenge the kazekage. Infact, gaara is my 5th favourite character, right after kimimaru and rock lee.

still, that assumes he can just snatch those items, and even if he could i doubt he can manipulate all of them and sand so well that it'd overwhelm sasuke's eyes. AND, even in the case that he could do all that, Sasuke just needs to stay within taijutsu distance of the guy and he'd be endangering himself with sasuke's tools. Even if you want to refute ALL of that, there's the easiest solution to this problem which is katon. heat would disrupt the magnetic field, and while the metal is hot it will lose it's magnetic properties the hotter it gets. In that instance, sasuke re obtains his weapons and can now use phoenix flower or dragon flame bomb to toss flaming kunai/shuriken at the guy. His weapons aren't a problem in this fight.

clones aren't much help when your eyes are able to see chakra. I doubt gold clones are as good as shadow clones (which mimic the user), so sasuke would easily spot them as clones like the sharingan allows with other types of clones.

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Mastering CS2 is just learning how to unlock it... most people die before being able to use cs. In either case, by part 2 he had mastered it. The part 1 references are to show what he could do then, so he'd obviously be alot better after 3 years. And, i have shown you scans of sasuke (chunnin) effortlessly dodging gaara's sand. It's obviously an easy feat for him after 3 years and so many more upgrades.
Kazekage touched the ground to use his. And, even in yours of gaara, it's obvious he has to focus chakra to do it which means it takes more time. It's easy to shushin behind him within that time... sasuke has the speed to do a quick speed burst.
I can't convince you that sasuke's faster than gaara's sand, or that even if he isn't, his predictive abilities allow him to out maneuver them because you don't want to accept that the sharingan offer a substantial boost to his defence and offence.
The point wasn't for manda to be friendly with him. It doesn't matter what manda thinks if he can't think, hence why i said manda would be hypnotised (showed scans of sharingan in his eye, which mean that he was under a sharingan genjutsu).

In the case of a gold shower, sasuke digs a hole? XD But, seriously, I Rebuted all these gold attacks, before, with manda. Stop trying to deny that manda dodges the attacks. Manda moves under ground before the attacks even reach. I'm not talking about manda tanking the attack; i'm reffering to him dodging. Sand tsunami's and all those massive attacks aren't instant and the scan i provided showed manda dodging an acid spit from katsuya, then a fireball from jiraiya+bunta by slithering underground. As far as it seems, manda has earth abilities (kakashi showed the same ability to move underground quickly with earth jutsu). Just the mere fact of moving underground dodges all those gold attacks since they move over ground... In which case his options would be to use attack from below ground. The only attack which he could use then, and you should be saying, is a desert burial. But, he isn't gaara. Gaara had to have kimimaru swimming in sand for that to happen, and he can't 'crush' the sand into gold so that he can manipulate it.

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On that note, i'm throwing in the towel anyway. @bold is a valid point and i can't be annoyed to argue for sasuke anymore. without manda he'd lose pretty easily. but, with manda he can easily win...