Obviously I didn't mean Orochimaru when he was sick in f*cking bed, use some deductive reasoning. This is obviously referring to Orochimaru during his time of fighting 4-Tails Naruto, when they were going after Hebi Sasuke.
Maybe I phrased it wrong, but obviously I don't mean Orochimaru sick in bed.
1. Oro's Fuuton isn't spammable? Proof?
2. Do you even know what Contract Seal does? I guess not. Read the description.
3. Orochimaru doesn't need his human shell to enter 8branches. Where did you even get that?
4. Minato has more chakra than Orochimaru? Lol wut? Any proof?
5. Orochimaru, even though a little bit slower than Minato due to lack of FTG, has shown amazing reaction feats, body temperature sensing and now thanks to Zetsu body - another sensory abilities. Kunai aren't even getting close to Orochimaru and even if Minato manages to somehow mark Orochimaru himself without getting severed by retaliation, Orochimaru is one of the small group of characters, that can get rid of the mark.
1. Spamming it is a waste of chakra, so I see no reason for Oro to spam it in the first place. It barely does any damage in the first place, so nothing suggests the FTG kunai will be coming out in the first place. Furthrmore, with Minato's speed, he could simply Hirashin to his FTG, in the midst of the Fuuton, and be completely unaffected. Why? Sasuke and Sakura were unaffected and they didn't even know how to build up chakra on their feet. Minato can take this as a mid-summer breathe.
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on a summoner, it removes any direct control the summoner has over a summoned creature
he used it on Tobi, and removed his control over Kyuubi. Now to my question, "do you even know what the contract seal does? I guess not."
3. Just as you believe he doesn't need it, I am willing to believe he doesn't. Considering there's no information on it, there's a 50% I am right and a 50% you're right. Anyways, it doesn't change the fact that if Minato seals it, he wins.
4. Give me some feats of Orochimaru's chakra. Minato used 4+ FTG's, then fought Obito, used FTG's, contract seal, marked him with hirashin, and used rasengan, went to the kyuubi, used S/T barrier on a giant TBB, summoned Bunta atop of the Kyuubi, used FTG to teleport something as big as the 100% Kyuubi to another location, summoned the ritual bed for Shisho Fuin, used Shisho Fuin, then went on to use Hakke no Fuin, put into the seal his leftover chakra, and Kushina's chakra, all back to back. Your turn to give me some chakra feats comparable to this by Orochimaru. Your turn to show me how many times Oro can use Oral Rebirth until he's exhausted.
5. White Zetsu cannot sense, lol. Only black zetsu can sense... Bring me some proof of white zetsu sensing. Orochimaru can sense through temperature? Lel. Snakes can, he can't. By the times he's somehow 'asked' the snake where Minato is, he would be dead. Anyways, this type of sensing isn't the type that helps you predict your opponents movements like SM, your point once again is invalid. I assumed you knew more about your Orochimaru when you ride him this much. Minato's shunshin is beyond Oro's nearly featless shunshin, Minato's is in a completely different league. Furthmore, Minato's FTG has a radius, in which Minato can teleport within this radius. The Kunai doesn't have to be over Oro for Minato to appear over Orochimaru. Proof of Orochimaru being capable of getting rid of the seal without Oral rebirth. Lel.
Oro has impressive reactions. Doesn't mean he's reacting to FTG. Ay couldn't react to it after having been in his v2 ration armour, and needed Bee's help to stay alive. What suggests Oro has reaction remotely close to Bee/Ay, or a sharingan user like Tobi who has reacted to BM/KCM Naruto on a multitude of occasions.
Obviously I didn't mean Orochimaru when he was sick in f*cking bed, use some deductive reasoning. This is obviously referring to Orochimaru during his time of fighting 4-Tails Naruto, when they were going after Hebi Sasuke.
Maybe I phrased it wrong, but obviously I don't mean Orochimaru sick in bed.
1. Spamming it is a waste of chakra, so I see no reason for Oro to spam it in the first place. It barely does any damage in the first place, so nothing suggests the FTG kunai will be coming out in the first place. Furthrmore, with Minato's speed, he could simply Hirashin to his FTG, in the midst of the Fuuton, and be completely unaffected. Why? Sasuke and Sakura were unaffected and they didn't even know how to build up chakra on their feet. Minato can take this as a mid-summer breathe.
Orochimaru knows Minato. Deflecting kunai with Fuuton isn't a bad idea and since that exact Fuuton rooted out trees, I see no reason it couldn't deal with some small weapons.
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he used it on Tobi, and removed his control over Kyuubi. Now to my question, "do you even know what the contract seal does? I guess not."
Since when Orochimaru has direct control over his summons? Minato's Contract Seal worked on Tobi and probably could work on Tsunade, since both Kyuubi and Katsuyu were linked somehow to their summonners through chakra (Genjutsu, Hyakugou Seal). Other summons aren't bound by any of these - thereby Contract Seal CANNOT remove direct control since there is NO direct control.
3. Just as you believe he doesn't need it, I am willing to believe he doesn't. Considering there's no information on it, there's a 50% I am right and a 50% you're right. Anyways, it doesn't change the fact that if Minato seals it, he wins.
Orochimaru entered 8branches using his chakra and consciousness only. Moreover, from these 2 thing he recreated his whole body. His True Form has both: chakra and consciousness - I see no reason he couldn't enter 8branches in that form.
4. Give me some feats of Orochimaru's chakra. Minato used 4+ FTG's, then fought Obito, used FTG's, contract seal, marked him with hirashin, and used rasengan, went to the kyuubi, used S/T barrier on a giant TBB, summoned Bunta atop of the Kyuubi, used FTG to teleport something as big as the 100% Kyuubi to another location, summoned the ritual bed for Shisho Fuin, used Shisho Fuin, then went on to use Hakke no Fuin, put into the seal his leftover chakra, and Kushina's chakra, all back to back. Your turn to give me some chakra feats comparable to this by Orochimaru. Your turn to show me how many times Oro can use Oral Rebirth until he's exhausted.
1. Orochimaru when meeting Tsunade. Pay attention to her thoughts. Pale, feverish, exhausted, wounded.
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2. Now take a look a chakra pathway system. With both arms sealed away, Orochimaru lost ~25% of his whole chakra.
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3. During the Sannin fight, Orochimaru summoned 2 Giant Snakes, where each one of them was almost of Katsuyu size, the one Tsunade could summon with all her effort. Then he used 2x tongue extension technique, Soft Physique on his neck, summonned a snake with Kusanagi, summonned Manda, went into CQC with Jiraya and Tsunade and used Hiding Like a Mole technique.
5. White Zetsu cannot sense, lol. Only black zetsu can sense... Bring me some proof of white zetsu sensing. Orochimaru can sense through temperature? Lel. Snakes can, he can't. By the times he's somehow 'asked' the snake where Minato is, he would be dead. Anyways, this type of sensing isn't the type that helps you predict your opponents movements like SM, your point once again is invalid. I assumed you knew more about your Orochimaru when you ride him this much. Minato's shunshin is beyond Oro's nearly featless shunshin, Minato's is in a completely different league. Furthmore, Minato's FTG has a radius, in which Minato can teleport within this radius. The Kunai doesn't have to be over Oro for Minato to appear over Orochimaru. Proof of Orochimaru being capable of getting rid of the seal without Oral rebirth. Lel.
3. Orochimaru's Body Replacement created a new body everytime he uses it. It's been proven since Orochimaru was shown to have been keeping his hand that was cut off in his hideout. The seal would stay on the shed body. Moreover, Orochimaru has already shown proficiency in blocking other seals effects. 5Elements Seal used on the seal Minato puts on others would simply disrupt its effects and thereby - disabling Minato's ability to FTG to that seal.
Oro has impressive reactions. Doesn't mean he's reacting to FTG. Ay couldn't react to it after having been in his v2 ration armour, and needed Bee's help to stay alive. What suggests Oro has reaction remotely close to Bee/Ay, or a sharingan user like Tobi who has reacted to BM/KCM Naruto on a multitude of occasions.
FTG may be instant, but actions that follow teleporting to a target aren't. That's when reaction comes into play.
Orochimaru managed to react from distance to point-blank God Tree's branch in front of Hiruzen's face, avoided shuriken thrown with Sharingan boosted perception (I know it was P1 Sasuke, but perception ganted by Sharingan and shuriken throwing speed isn't changing at all).
Speed feats aren't something to be neglected as well. Outspeeding Kyuubi chakra arms, blitzing Kabuto, Yamato, Naruto and Sakura, Shunshin (you may say it's featless, but he still has it), Slithering Snake Mode - pure agility and speed boost. Considering that in base Orochimaru has 4.5 in speed, with Slithering Mode and Shushin, he's FAR above that rating.
Obviously I didn't mean Orochimaru when he was sick in f*cking bed, use some deductive reasoning. This is obviously referring to Orochimaru during his time of fighting 4-Tails Naruto, when they were going after Hebi Sasuke.
Maybe I phrased it wrong, but obviously I don't mean Orochimaru sick in bed.
So....before Hebi was even made? That's the Sai & Sasuke arc, or Tenchi Bridge Orochimaru. In this case Orochimaru wins, especially as he has his poisonous true form that'll end the match in a win and at the least a poisoned draw.
You're lol'ing at the people underrating minato? Are you serious right now? You're claiming a sick guy in a body rejecting him can put down a prodigy? next you'll tell me this orochimaru beats Madara too because he could whip up rashoumon gates as a defence?
Orochimaru has nothing to catch or put down minato with. All minato does is wait 3 minutes for his body to start rejecting him and then he performs an 8 trigram seal on him to let him spend the rest of his life inside minato's ass.
Orochimaru knows Minato. Deflecting kunai with Fuuton isn't a bad idea and since that exact Fuuton rooted out trees, I see no reason it couldn't deal with some small weapons.
Since when Orochimaru has direct control over his summons? Minato's Contract Seal worked on Tobi and probably could work on Tsunade, since both Kyuubi and Katsuyu were linked somehow to their summonners through chakra (Genjutsu, Hyakugou Seal). Other summons aren't bound by any of these - thereby Contract Seal CANNOT remove direct control since there is NO direct control.
Again, you completely fail to see that my entire point was Minato not needing to spread out FTG kunai's on the floor. You are simply picking the arguments you want to reply to and ignoring the ones that don't support your argument. FTG kunai's stay with Minato, simple as that. No reason to throw more than one on the floor. Moreover, I said he can go to the one being Fuuton's and grab it without being affected by the Fuuton itself.
Why would Manda even support Orochimaru if he didn't have a contract with it? Manda would simply release himself as he doesn't require permission to leave, nor will he care for Orochimaru. It removes the contract between the animal and the summoner, hence the name contract seal, as in contract being sealed.
Orochimaru entered 8branches using his chakra and consciousness only. Moreover, from these 2 thing he recreated his whole body. His True Form has both: chakra and consciousness - I see no reason he couldn't enter 8branches in that form.
Doesn't change the fact he gets one shotted by the seal I have suggested which you seem to love to ignore, maybe because you have no counter to it. Nothing suggests the 8 branches can even hit Minato's immense speed. Nothing suggests it won't get cut up being Bunta as it did against Itachi.
Sure.
1. Orochimaru when meeting Tsunade. Pay attention to her thoughts. Pale, feverish, exhausted, wounded.
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2. Now take a look a chakra pathway system. With both arms sealed away, Orochimaru lost ~25% of his whole chakra.
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3. During the Sannin fight, Orochimaru summoned 2 Giant Snakes, where each one of them was almost of Katsuyu size, the one Tsunade could summon with all her effort. Then he used 2x tongue extension technique, Soft Physique on his neck, summonned a snake with Kusanagi, summonned Manda, went into CQC with Jiraya and Tsunade and used Hiding Like a Mole technique.
Lel. Your scans didn't prove anything. His hands were sealed, his hands aren't the chakra holders. The chakra comes from the chakra pool in his stomach, the hands chakra pathway merely carry the chakra around the body, as veins carry blood throughout the body. Him being exhausted proves.. What exactly? If you are suggesting it has something to do with losing 25% of his chakra you are mistaken, and it would amuse me if that is the case. Although I assume it is something else you are suggesting, which you failed to convey.
1. White Zetsu cannot sense?
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2. About body temperature sensing.
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3. Orochimaru's Body Replacement created a new body everytime he uses it. It's been proven since Orochimaru was shown to have been keeping his hand that was cut off in his hideout. The seal would stay on the shed body. Moreover, Orochimaru has already shown proficiency in blocking other seals effects. 5Elements Seal used on the seal Minato puts on others would simply disrupt its effects and thereby - disabling Minato's ability to FTG to that seal.
I see he can sense, point taken. Although that doesn't help him evade hirashin as it is instantaneous so I fail to see your initial point. How does body sensing help him detect/react to Minato's speed again? He needs the snake to do it for him, and it clearly took time for it to occur.
I already know this. What does it have anything to do with Minato taking out the initial body? Everytime Orochimaru comes close, Minato can tag him, if not kill him. Juubito gained a new body and lost the FTG mark, it is nothing that is surprising. Him blocking Naruto's seal=/=disrupting FTG seal lmao. 5elements seal was used by Orochimaru to disrupt Naruto's chakra flow. Oro said it disrupts a seal by putting an odd numbered seal over an even numbered seal. How does this help counter FTG's seal? I don't see your point.
FTG may be instant, but actions that follow teleporting to a target aren't. That's when reaction comes into play.
Orochimaru managed to react from distance to point-blank God Tree's branch in front of Hiruzen's face, avoided shuriken thrown with Sharingan boosted perception (I know it was P1 Sasuke, but perception ganted by Sharingan and shuriken throwing speed isn't changing at all).
Speed feats aren't something to be neglected as well. Outspeeding Kyuubi chakra arms, blitzing Kabuto, Yamato, Naruto and Sakura, Shunshin (you may say it's featless, but he still has it), Slithering Snake Mode - pure agility and speed boost. Considering that in base Orochimaru has 4.5 in speed, with Slithering Mode and Shushin, he's FAR above that rating.
Lol at your reaction feats displayed by Oro. Nothing comes even in the same league as reacting to Minato, who's hands are faster than orochimaru, doesn't need to react for Hirsahin, while Oro does, and already knows where he wants to strike, while Oro doesn't. Oro has no chance of reacting, let alone acting in time, since Minato's speed is beyond comparison of anyone in the manga. Orochimaru doesn't have the feats to react and act, simple as that. You even mentioning reaction speed when opposing Minato is amusing.
You're lol'ing at the people underrating minato? Are you serious right now? You're claiming a sick guy in a body rejecting him can put down a prodigy? next you'll tell me this orochimaru beats Madara too because he could whip up rashoumon gates as a defence?
Orochimaru has nothing to catch or put down minato with. All minato does is wait 3 minutes for his body to start rejecting him and then he performs an 8 trigram seal on him to let him spend the rest of his life inside minato's ass.
