[Discussion] 4 sweet commanders, 3 calamities/ Cracker and Ace

[Bogard]

4 sweet commanders, 3 calamities

So we know that Kaido has 3 calamities
- King
- Queen
- Jack

When Big Mom originally had 4sweet commanders(Cracker, maybe Bobbins and 2 other people)

With Big Mom having one top commander more than Kaido, could it be a hint Kaido's top3 is stronger?

For example Jack has a higher bounty than Cracker by 160millions and it's speculated if he is weaker than King/Queen or not.

On the other side, Big Mom herself is already weaker than Kaido going by his reputation, so with more commanders it could make more sense it's to create some sort of balance if they were to eventually clash, but what do you think

Cracker and Ace

On a related note Cracker possess a scar which deeply looks similar to that of a burning mark, and with his claim of quite a few having seen his real body alongside the yonko usual territory battles, it makes me wonder if it's not Ace who was responsible of this.

He is the only commander presented thus far who could create such a burning mark on Cracker and it could even be good to create some sort of comparison with Luffy who is currently fighting him

Thoughts?

 

[sravan]

I don't know why everyone just underrate big mom that much.They treat her like a joke.
If she is that weak she wouldn't be a yonko in the first place..
I don't think ace met cracker but it will be cool to bring ace(his fights,or his memories presented by others when luffy meets them) in the anime..

 

[Passerby]

Cracker can neg Ace Tbh
Also I think Big Moms first child is the strongest Sweet Commander.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

4 sweet commanders, 3 calamities

So we know that Kaido has 3 calamities
- King
- Queen
- Jack

When Big Mom originally had 4sweet commanders(Cracker, maybe Bobbins and 2 other people)

With Big Mom having one top commander more than Kaido, could it be a hint Kaido's top3 is stronger?

For example Jack has a higher bounty than Cracker by 160millions and it's speculated if he is weaker than King/Queen or not.

On the other side, Big Mom herself is already weaker than Kaido going by his reputation, so with more commanders it could make more sense it's to create some sort of balance if they were to eventually clash, but what do you think

I think every Yonko crew would have 3 'real' commanders, and some would been promoted as commanders only because of their large pirate crew, since 3 commanders can't take all of them into their squad. That's why BM had 4th commander, and WB had in total 16 commanders.

What I mean when I say real is top/strongest commanders and that would be Marco, Jozu, Vista (WB Pirates), Cracker and alive sweet generals (BM Pirates), King, Queen, Jack (Beast Pirates), Benn, Yasopp, Roo (RH Pirates), Shillew, and two other BB crew members (BB Pirates).

Other commanders wouldn't be much stronger than some side members of Beast Pirates crew (Disaster's right hand man) or 5 guys we saw when RH entered Marineford.

RH Pirates are only yonko crew that follow original theme, with Captain, First Mate position, but even in that case, some member I listed above seems to be stronger than rest of the crew, and that's why I listed them as commanders.

Cracker and Ace

On a related note Cracker possess a scar which deeply looks similar to that of a burning mark, and with his claim of quite a few having seen his real body alongside the yonko usual territory battles, it makes me wonder if it's not Ace who was responsible of this.

He is the only commander presented thus far who could create such a burning mark on Cracker and it could even be good to create some sort of comparison with Luffy who is currently fighting him

Thoughts?

Ace entered New World and then he clashed WB. Somewhere between he could invade BM teritory and fought with sweet general, just like when he enter Shanks' teritory in order to speak with him.

It would be interesting to see how Ace's original crew fared in Grand Line.

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I also think it's possible that Kid Pirates fought with Cracker when Kid invaded BM teritory, and Heat seems to have Fire/Heat based ability.

 

[YellowFang]

It's definitely balancing...

WB > Shanks
That's well-known but WB had 4 flag-ships compared to Shanks' just one...

By common logic, WB is 4x stronger than Shanks as a Yonko but that isn't the case. WB himself is stronger but his crew is not on that level while Shanks and his crew must be considerably strong to be reputed as one of the Yonko.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I believe Kaido's 3 elite subordinates are stronger than Big moms but Ace isn't getting a hair off Cracker with his strength.

 

[Bogard]

I don't know why everyone just underrate big mom that much.They treat her like a joke.
If she is that weak she wouldn't be a yonko in the first place..
I don't think ace met cracker but it will be cool to bring ace(his fights,or his memories presented by others when luffy meets them) in the anime..

Here we go again lol. Being weaker than Kaido =/= weak, otherwise every living currently is. It's not just a Big Mom matter. Every current living yonko is hyped to be below Kaido

Not sure about Ace-Cracker either, but he is the only commander presented thus far who seems to fit the deal with the burning mark and i found it interesting if a comparison was made with Luffy currently facing him. But either way, i'm fairly certain Ace will be brought up the moment Marco will integrate the group. The comparison will happen sooner or later

Cracker can neg Ace Tbh

Completely baseless

Also I think Big Moms first child is the strongest Sweet Commander.

Big Mom's first son is the one guarding Caesar and he wasn't introduced as a sweet commander

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Cracker can neg Ace Tbh
Also I think Big Moms first child is the strongest Sweet Commander.

Perospero was given the title "Minister of candyland" rather than Sweet Commander. While he's probably still a big deal, he isn't a sweet commander, as far as we know.

 

[chopstickchakra]

4 sweet commanders, 3 calamities

So we know that Kaido has 3 calamities
- King
- Queen
- Jack

When Big Mom originally had 4sweet commanders(Cracker, maybe Bobbins and 2 other people)

With Big Mom having one top commander more than Kaido, could it be a hint Kaido's top3 is stronger?

For example Jack has a higher bounty than Cracker by 160millions and it's speculated if he is weaker than King/Queen or not.

On the other side, Big Mom herself is already weaker than Kaido going by his reputation, so with more commanders it could make more sense it's to create some sort of balance if they were to eventually clash, but what do you think

Cracker and Ace

On a related note Cracker possess a scar which deeply looks similar to that of a burning mark, and with his claim of quite a few having seen his real body alongside the yonko usual territory battles, it makes me wonder if it's not Ace who was responsible of this.

He is the only commander presented thus far who could create such a burning mark on Cracker and it could even be good to create some sort of comparison with Luffy who is currently fighting him

Thoughts?

I'd love to see Ace get some well deserved hype again. People have started trying to downplay him because he died part 1 and has been gone so long people seem to forget how well he was being talked up by Oda every time he was mentioned.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Cracker would stomp Ace. His fire isn't burning through haki plus when Ace fought BB it was implied that he had not took a hit by someone with Haki in a long time. Cracker steam rolls Ace. How come everyone think Jack is the weakest out of all the calamities?

 

[chopstickchakra]

Cracker would stomp Ace. His fire isn't burning through haki plus when Ace fought BB it was implied that he had not took a hit by someone with Haki in a long time. Cracker steam rolls Ace. How come everyone think Jack is the weakest out of all the calamities?

Because most people and most shonen too follow the introduction rules where the characters intro'd earlier are below the ones intro'd later. I don't always like it cus characters like Zabuza, Ace, Croc get passed off as chump change later on.

 

[Passerby]

Completely baseless

All of Aces attacks are tanked by Crackers fake body and Ace is finished off with a Haki slash.
Teaches base punch did alot damage to Ace so image a Haki slash from someone who can harm G4 Luffy can do.
Being a over confident logia made Aces body weak.

 

[sravan]

Here we go again lol. Being weaker than Kaido =/= weak, otherwise every living currently is. It's not just a Big Mom matter. Every current living yonko is hyped to be below Kaido

Not sure about Ace-Cracker either, but he is the only commander presented thus far who seems to fit the deal with the burning mark and i found it interesting if a comparison was made with Luffy currently facing him. But either way, i'm fairly certain Ace will be brought up the moment Marco will integrate the group. The comparison will happen sooner or later
Completely baseless
Big Mom's first son is the one guarding Caesar and he wasn't introduced as a sweet commander

so how do you think kaido was captured/defeated(they explained it during his intro) ago if he is stronger than others???
we don't know what big mom can do,she may be the only person that can beat kaido or kill him by sucking his soul/life

 

[TRE MERCER]

Because most people and most shonen too follow the introduction rules where the characters intro'd earlier are below the ones intro'd later. I don't always like it cus characters like Zabuza, Ace, Croc get passed off as chump change later on.

Zabuza is a weakling though. Croc isn't that strong either and neither is Ace.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Zabuza is a weakling though. Croc isn't that strong either and neither is Ace.

Everything is wrong about that statement given the description and titles those characters all had. They're "weak" in comparison to the end of story characters because that's how these things work out. No 7 swordsmen and child murderer strong enough to shut down a nations chunin testing on his own should be viewed as weak. No Shichibukai should be viewed as weak. No WB Commander, son of the former PK, who was being groomed by WSM to be next PK should be viewed as weak.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

so how do you think kaido was captured/defeated(they explained it during his intro) ago if he is stronger than others???
we don't know what big mom can do,she may be the only person that can beat kaido or kill him by sucking his soul/life

So do you think Kaido was born as strong as he currently is? Kaido was weaker than he currently is back when those occurred.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Everything is wrong about that statement given the description and titles those characters all had. They're "weak" in comparison to the end of story characters because that's how these things work out. No 7 swordsmen and child murderer strong enough to shut down a nations chunin testing on his own should be viewed as weak. No Shichibukai should be viewed as weak. No WB Commander, son of the former PK, who was being groomed by WSM to be next PK should be viewed as weak.

Crocodile is weak. He got beat fairly by Alabasta Luffy, and being a Shichibukai doesn't mean you're strong. Just look at Moriah and Buggy. Ace generally isn't underrated. He is the 5th strongest in a Yonko crew, which places him at around Zoro level or at worst Sanji level, and most people seem to think Ace is around Zoro level.

 

[sravan]

So do you think Kaido was born as strong as he currently is? Kaido was weaker than he currently is back when those occurred.

how do you know that???no one mentioned that in the manga..
if that's how it is why you believe big mom is weak??she and others should be strong now compared to their past versions.

 

[ToshiZO]

Big Mom is garbage. Seems like all this fat fuck does is eat.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

how do you know that???no one mentioned that in the manga..
if that's how it is why you believe big mom is weak??she and others should be strong now compared to their past versions.

1. Common sense
2. I never said Big Mom is weak