3T Sarada instantly makes her the strongest female in the series?

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Sarada inherited great chakra control from Sakura. This chakra control allows using Medical Ninjutsu and CES. Sarada already has CES.

But is Sarada going to learn medical ninjutsu unlike CES this won´t come naturally, will she have Byakugou seal, creation rebirth.Without those she won´t be able to tank most of the attacks other females can produce ( Temari wind, Mei lava and acid, Tsunade/Sakura punches, Hinata gentle fist) .

Without same medical skills she would not be on their level despite Sharingan.
 

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Every single female adult obviously. Why is this even a question? This shouldn't be a question unless talking about some hypothetical teenage Sarada.

While I don't agree with OP.

Just because they are adults doesn't technically mean they are stronger.

Itachi was 13 ordering around High level Jounin

OP: Sarada with 3T is sort of vague. What type of abilities would she have? Will she fight like Kakashi? Itachi? or Sakura?

Depending on her fighting style 3T can HELP her a little or alot but i dont think she is the best.
 
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She already is.

PS: Sumire is SP filler shit and doesn't matter in any way.
 

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While I don't agree with OP.

Just because they are adults doesn't technically mean they are stronger.

Itachi was 13 ordering around High level Jounin

OP: Sarada with 3T is sort of vague. What type of abilities would she have? Will she fight like Kakashi? Itachi? or Sakura?

Depending on her fighting style 3T can HELP her a little or alot but i dont think she is the best.

Lmao did I say that though?
 

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Agreed. I think Sarada's performance is going to look extremely poor (for now) since they wouldn't allow her to have the same damage output as Tsunade or Sakura /w Bakugou. For versatility stems, it seems that she's mostly revolving around close combat and shuriken jutsu in between. Even then, her only ninjutsu ability seems to come from a video game which apparently has her throw a fuuma shuriken attached to lightning style. Which isn't that impressive from any stance considering it's a shuriken based attack.

So I'm not really expecting much from her until the eventual time skip. I think what really is going to separate Sarada from the rest (and possibly the other female characters) is her Mangekyo Sharingan. The deciding factor is whether or not they will give her a potent ability that allows her some step room for high-quality counters that you can't just say 'x is faster so she loses', in comparison to Sakura or Tsunade's poor feats.

Also she should be getting Susano'o which should help A LOT, especially if she can find a way to main her Mangekyo Sharingan. But again I'm not expecting much from Sarada right now other than being a strong ass Genin. Cause she's helluva lot better than Sakura, but she's honestly not that special compared to the old generation with CES and simple shuriken moves.

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

Are you saying early part 2 Sakura's strength was second rate? If so I completely disagree.

Stop twisting the meaning of these words to try and make an argument where there is none.

First rate equals best.
Second rate equals below best.

sec·ond-rate
ˈˌsekən(d) ˈˌrāt/Submit
adjective
of mediocre or inferior quality.


It is inferior to what Sakura herself and Tsunade have shown at their peak. Thus second rate. :lol

I was more so speaking to their base punches or a base cherry blossom impact.

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I addressed that below.





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Knocking out an ordinary person obviously isn't a better feat than almost killing Zetsu with a simple elbow to the back. So you've just proven that Sarada's strength is not on par with pre Byakugo Sakura's.


Which feats are you talking about?

Huh? :lol The only two crater feats mentioned in this discussion.


Sarada's strength is inferior to Byakugou Sakura and base/Byakugou Tsunade but it isn't second rate compared to Sakura's strength privy to manifesting Byakugou.

1. It is.
2. That wasn't even the claim you were responding to originally.
 

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Sarada may have reached her chakra pinnacle to where she can adept her super strength but I don't think her body was trained to react something much like Sasuke was.

Its way too early for you to be determining how fast agile or strong she will be physically or in the light of actual hand to hand combat. In actuality you don't know what she was trying to so this is nothing but a guess or assumption on your part.



Her sharingan would able compensate by perceiving her opponent movement but I don't think she will able to keep up against fast speed movement like Base Lee for ex.

I disagree, as long as her eyes have the potential to mimic what's in front of her I don't see why she would not be able to replicate speed in the same sense of Sasuke replicating Lee's. Please do remember thats she has her fathers talent....

he also lack speed and mobility

No she doesn't.


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her Sharingan wouldn't add much benefit to that.

Yes it would.

I will agree one thing is that Sarada will copy some basic element ninjutsu however I must admit that I actually forgot about to mention it simpily because Sasuke was never shown to copy any ninjutsu atleast from what I can remember and he only copied some few handful of body movement and fighting techniques. Only Kakashi was shown to copy handful of ninjutsu and techniques.

That's why I said potential, Sarada's sharningan grants hee the potential to copy what's in front of her in an absolute sense physically and a possible sense regarding ninjutsu. As long as Sarada trains she can absolutey mimic what's on front of her in the fashion of Kakashi.

Where I am going with this is that this series had track record of more or less restricting which had lacked emphasizing 2T-3T Sharingan users so I think Sarada copy ability will only be condensed and momentary because I don't think they will simply tarnish the name of Kakashi copy ninja.

Don't about any of this, Sarada being able to mimic what's in front of her simply another place or something else to add in her Arsenal.


I am talking about having mid-long range ninjutsu in her assets.

Shurikenjutsu is long range, CES can be utilized long-range as well and her Katon has the flexibility to be both long range and short-range
 

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No it doesn't... but it does make her a strong contender imo
 

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Couldn't have said it better myself.



Stop twisting the meaning of these words to try and make an argument where there is none.

No ones twisting anything, when you call something second rate your applying defeatists context which attributes a negative in discussion. Calling something mediocre labels what your calling as not very good or of moderate quality.

"Sarada's CES is very good and above moderate strength (Quality)"

The intellectual word to reference to make your point less pessimist is simply using the word inferior independently.

in·fe·ri·or
ˌinˈfirēər/Submit
adjective
1.lower in rank, status, or quality.

"Yes Sarada's CES is beneath Tsunades & Sakura's on the prmius of quality or by feats but her CES is still very good and not mediocre."

You do understand you can use one with the other right? Inferior & Mediocre?



Knocking out an ordinary person obviously isn't a better feat than almost killing Zetsu with a simple elbow to the back.

I disagree, knocking someone 10 meters back into a unconscious state (head buried into the ground and all) with one simple punch to the face isn't as better. It's I'm fact comparable but you already know that.


The rest of comment os useless conjecture.
 

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No ones twisting anything, when you call something second rate your applying defeatists context which attributes a negative in discussion. Calling something mediocre labels what your calling as not very good or of moderate quality.

"Sarada's CES is very good and above moderate strength (Quality)"

The intellectual word to reference to make your point less pessimist is simply using the word inferior independently.



"Yes Sarada's CES is beneath Tsunades & Sakura's on the prmius of quality or by feats but her CES is still very good and not mediocre."

You do understand you can use one with the other right? Inferior & Mediocre?





I disagree, knocking someone 10 meters back into a unconscious state (head buried into the ground and all) with one simple punch to the face isn't as better. It's I'm fact comparable but you already know that.


The rest of comment os useless conjecture.

:lol If only I gave a rat's ass about arguing semantics.

The rest of your post makes zero sense but I cannot say I'm surprised. Knocking a fodder out isn't a better feat than almost killing Zetsu with one strike. "one simple punch to the face". Lmao. Tell yourself whatever you need to kiddo. Zetsu is stronger and more durable than a fodder. Knocking a fodder out isn't a better feat than slapping Iron Sand around.

NB, never change. :lol
 

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:lol If only I gave a rat's ass about arguing semantics.

The rest of your post makes zero sense but I cannot say I'm surprised. Knocking a fodder out isn't a better feat than almost killing Zetsu with one strike. "one simple punch to the face". Lmao. Tell yourself whatever you need to kiddo. Zetsu is stronger and more durable than a fodder. Knocking a fodder out isn't a better feat than slapping Iron Sand around.

NB, never change. :lol

What you give a rats ass about = irrelevant XD

Most of what I said makes sense, you just can't make sense of it and not a reflection of anything I've said..

Zetsu = fodder

Fodder = fodder
 

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Its way too early for you to be determining how fast agile or strong she will be physically or in the light of actual hand to hand combat. In actuality you don't know what she was trying to so this is nothing but a guess or assumption on your part.

True but you're also speculating on your end as well. I am simply basing off from what she has showcase thus far therefore I am making fair amount of assumption given by the data. Although like you said before, it's too early to judge. I'd like to believe Sarada potential is through the roof.



I disagree, as long as her eyes have the potential to mimic what's in front of her I don't see why she would not be able to replicate speed in the same sense of Sasuke replicating Lee's. Please do remember thats she has her fathers talent....

Sasuke increase in speed has nothing to do with his sharingan. The fact that he is an Uchiha gives him a sort of "better chakra". As opposed to Lee's chakra, since he has no natural talent.
Sasuke was able to replicate Lee speed simply because he took about a month of training session with Kakashi . Sarada has Sasuke talents (Pre-chuunin exam wise) however Sarada can only achieve in Sasuke state with the amount of chakra reserve she has to train. Cause really Sharingan only helps in faster process with practice if we are talking about foot speed.

It only brings a question whether this series is going to allows Sarada to easily acquire it and go on the same path as Sasuke.


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The scan only shown her to be quick and evasiveness. That's not really mobility and foot speed. Sarada needs to reach her opponent zone from her distance to be consider a foot speed. Sarada hadn't move an inch when all she did is jumping up and down to the same spot which has to do more with her body reacting than her foot speed. Thus it is all the more reason why she had chocho to do the deliver and make physical contact with Shin.





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Now she was able to get across shin, but lets be real here. Shin clones are plot tool which stands there without doing anything, they purpose is to showcase how strong some jutsu is, they are all incapable of proper reaction. This isn't the first time where clones sit idly by doing nothing. Shin, Juubi,White Zetsu were all pathetic clones.

Furthermore, out of hundreds of clones, only one threw a kunai directly at sarada and the rest are standing there like zombie while sarada is leaving herself wide open when she's at mid air and these clones didn't use that opportunity to strike or dodge beforehand.

We need to see more of Sarada combat to determine if she has remarkable foot speed and not dealing with some random fodder.


Yes it would.

No it doesn't like I said before it all depends on "efficient" chakra flow in your body to complement physical finesse. If you had that, this will give the sharingan some benefit to train faster.



That's why I said potential, Sarada's sharningan grants hee the potential to copy what's in front of her in an absolute sense physically and a possible sense regarding ninjutsu. As long as Sarada trains she can absolutey mimic what's on front of her in the fashion of Kakashi.

Like I said, Sasuke was able to copy Lee movement not speed until he had further training. The Sharingan can read and copy these patterns which would give Sarada a significant advantage in learning genjutsu, ninjutsu and Taijutsu.


Don't about any of this, Sarada being able to mimic what's in front of her simply another place or something else to add in her Arsenal.

Ok and I am just pointing out her potential given some possibility that Sarada may not able to require it in due time.


Shurikenjutsu is long range, CES can be utilized long-range as well and her Katon has the flexibility to be both long range and short-range

Shiruken Jutsu is such minuscule scale if we're talking about Chuunin-Jounin Standard. CES can only be utilized through the amount of impact from destroyed platform which doesn't really add much benefit either since all it does is catch your opponent off balance however in most case anyone can simpily dodge from the impact beforehand. So in essence, CES is mostly used for short range. Sarada doesn't have any confirmation that she has Katon thus her potential is limited.
 
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What you give a rats ass about = irrelevant XD

Most of what I said makes sense, you just can't make sense of it and not a reflection of anything I've said..

Zetsu = fodder

Fodder = fodder

The world won't end if your favorite fictional character isn't as good as you want her to be. Both fodder, but one is better than the other. Quit using trash logic and arguing semantics to fill the giant void in your argument where logic and reason would normally br
 

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True but you're also speculating on your end as well. I am simply basing off from what she has showcase thus far.

But what are basing your speculation on? I've proven to you already that Sarada's body is indeicative to having slow speed & reflexes.

Sasuke increase in speed has nothing to do with his sharingan.

I never said it did, I was referencing Lee's mobility in combination to Sasukes speed. I don't see why Sarada's sharningan wouldn't be able to mimic the agile mobility in front of her while using her own speed .

The fact that he is an Uchiha gives him a sort of "better chakra".

Sarada was blessed with her her fathers chakra at a capacity.

Sasuke was able to replicate Lee speed simply because he took about a month of training session with Kakashi.

I don't see how anyone can deny this.

Sarada has Sasuke talents (Pre-chuunin exam wise)

When was that stipulation made? From what I read it simply said "Sasukes talent" not "Sasuke talent pre-chuunin exam".


however Sarada can only achieve in Sasuke state with the amount of chakra reserve she has to train.

This honestly doesn't help yout argument simply because Sarada's reserves haven't been exercised or dwelled on in detail.

The scan only shown her to be quick and evasiveness. That's not really mobility and foot speed.

Foot speed, sure not so much.

Mobility absolutely.

mo·bil·i·ty

the ability to move or be moved freely and easily.

In fact evasiveness or quick evasivenesd is an attribute of mobolity because evasiveness or quick evasiness requires movement or mobility.

Sarada needs to reach her opponent zone from her distance to be consider a foot speed.

This is foot speed.

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I was hoping you could devlouge between the feats I post and determine which was which but never mind.....

No it doesn't like I said before it all depends on "efficient" chakra flow in your body to complement physical finesse.

Yes it does. As along as Sarada has the already adequate speed or physical needs that would be required of her to mimic a taijutsu feat, all she needs to do is see what she wants to copy with her sharningan.

Its that simple.

Shiruken Jutsu is such minuscule scale if we're talking about Chuunin-Jounin Standard.

Your opinon of course, as we both know Shiruken Jutsu can be OP depending on the user and Sarada's Lightning infused Fūma Shuriken (which stuns or knock back others) sounds anything but miniscule.

CES can only be utilized through the amount of impact from destroyed platform

Wrong! The impact or shockwave behind CES depends on how much chakra the user masters up before releasing it with their punch. What the user is punching has nothing to do with utilizing the chakra needed for CES.

which doesn't really add much benefit either since all it does is catch your opponent off balance however in most case anyone can simpily dodge from the impact beforehand.

What most cases? Didn't I post a scan of sarada striking the ground and rendering over a dozen oppinents defeated? CES or its shock wave has an instantaneous effect when channeling through what ever is being punched. If it is so easily dodged then don't you think the shin clones would've simply evaded the debris?


So in essence, CES is mostly used for short range.

But the impact or shockwaves behind CES have a long range affect.

Sarada doesn't have any confirmation that she has Katon thus her potential is limited.

Raiton was confirmed.
 

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The world won't end if your favorite fictional character isn't as good as you want her to be. Both fodder, but one is better than the other. Quit using trash logic and arguing semantics to fill the giant void in your argument where logic and reason would normally br

(1) My favorite fictional character isn't fodder and is as good as I think he is (2) trash is all based on preception so your perception is trash more so then my argument but hey they both could be trash. (3) The argument is only void because you've made it so...
 

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But what are basing your speculation on? I've proven to you already that Sarada's body is indeicative to having slow speed & reflexes.

We've only known that Sarada body has flexibility but we cannot give her a proper measurement and sasuke body movement was also shown to display great reflex as well before the chuunin exam therefore it's too soon to judge . I am speculating based on her growth statistic throughout her process in the Academy years. It can be deduce by how long it'll take to develop and enhance her ability to where she is currently at right now in Gaiden and Post Movie. Looking back at the early academy, Sarada was 3rd place at that time and she didn't perform as well as the others although despite that she's displayed great perception. She also didn't appear to learn CES at that time. Then Mitsuki and Sumire entered the fray and they are far ahead of their league and we know Sarada was able to improve her skills overtime.

In other word, that will all determine by the process it'll take to fully adept her potential by the time she can perform 3T and where all other characters such as boruto potential lies in since you also have to keep in mind that he is also able grow and progress immensely.

To bring my final point, I don't think Sarada will be the strongest, but she will be one of top. Time will only tell.




I never said it did, I was referencing Lee's mobility in combination to Sasukes speed. I don't see why Sarada's sharningan wouldn't be able to mimic the agile mobility in front of her while using her own speed .
Sarada was blessed with her her fathers chakra at a capacity.
I don't see how anyone can deny this.

I see, I guess we misunderstood each other.



When was that stipulation made? From what I read it simply said "Sasukes talent" not "Sasuke talent pre-chuunin exam".

Oh I was making this argument and speculation. My point is that Sarada talent would able to do the same thing as Sasuke prior to the early chuunin exam.


This honestly doesn't help yout argument simply because Sarada's reserves haven't been exercised or dwelled on in detail.

Thats why I am iffy because we cannot determine her chakra thus narrowing down her potential until we can get full grasp out of it.




Foot speed, sure not so much.

Mobility absolutely.

In fact evasiveness or quick evasivenesd is an attribute of mobolity because evasiveness or quick evasiness requires movement or mobility.

Yeah that is one way to put up but I am simpily talking about Sarada maneuvering and inflicting toward her opponent. She has the mobility to dodge but can she advance any further.


This is foot speed.

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I was hoping you could devlouge between the feats I post and determine which was which but never mind.....

I already know, in fact I labeled as foot speed but that can't be easily read

Yes it does. As along as Sarada has the already adequate speed or physical needs that would be required of her to mimic a taijutsu feat, all she needs to do is see what she wants to copy with her sharningan.

Its that simple.[/SPOILER]

The mind may learn basic technique, but if it were something too advanced, your muscles cannot function without continuous breakdown and regeneration to reach that level. Even as much sufficient body you have, you could only maintain the speed for a limited time.



Your opinon of course, as we both know Shiruken Jutsu can be OP depending on the user and Sarada's Lightning infused Fūma Shuriken (which stuns or knock back others) sounds anything but miniscule.

I am sorry but even lightning infused can't really help in a long run. Boruto has infused Lightning shiruken and even though it enhances the power it's not that much. Fuma Shiruken is a bigger projectile but it all depends on the feature whether an infused lightning can expand or not. If the lightning infused remains the trajectory much like Boruto shiruken then it doesn't really offer much other than boosting and piercing against stronger defense.


Wrong! The impact or shockwave behind CES depends on how much chakra the user masters up before releasing it with their punch. What the user is punching has nothing to do with utilizing the chakra needed for CES.

Umm you can attain monstrous strength by focusing chakra at pinnacle and releasing it. I dont know what does this have to change anything.


What most cases? Didn't I post a scan of sarada striking the ground and rendering over a dozen oppinents defeated? CES or its shock wave has an instantaneous effect when channeling through what ever is being punched. If it is so easily dodged then don't you think the shin clones would've simply evaded the debris?

It can be evaded before Sarada landed her punch onto the ground. Sarada/Sakura movement are too straight and linear whenever they have to throw their punches around so in most cases it can be easily read if we're talking about prominent characters that has atleast adequate speed then they can easily avoided unless it's sarada who can somehow executed really well in combat and not some by plot purposes like some fodder clones who stand idly nothing and awaiting to be punched by the massive shockwave.


But the impact or shockwaves behind CES have a long range affect.

Short range in terms of sinking your opponent down to the earth whereas it's mid-long range to catch your footing off and if lucky the debris hits you by some chance. If it deals around forest area then it can be avoided.

Raiton was confirmed.

I know, but I am awaiting what her lighting flash can do. If it's ces+lightning infuse that dissolve around the perimeter than that would speak more volume.
 
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