3T Madara vs. 3T Kakashi and Gai

[shelke]

What the ****? People are actually debating for Kakashi and Gai? Madara's - and Obito's - combined Katon was able to distort the shape of the BM shrouds left on the alliance. You think Kakashi - that move was used with a water source, FYI - and Gai can accomplish anything? At Taijutsu level, Madara is clearly much superior than Base Gai and Kakashi. He reacted to Speed of Light Teleportation of Tsunade and Raikage, for Gods sake.

You people cannot be serious. It's a stomp.

 

[narutokage99]

lol one needs be low kage level to made suiton like that... WITHOUT RIVER UNDER HIM!! katon stomps

Suiton > Katon

Kakashi can use suiton without water source, reread the manga Kakuzu arc.

Kakashi solo no diff.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Suiton > Katon

Kakashi can use suiton without water source, reread the manga Kakuzu arc.

Kakashi solo no diff.

That will not be nearly enough though. Madara's fire easily dwarfs Kakashi's suiton ability without water sources

 

[narutokage99]

That will not be nearly enough though. Madara's fire easily dwarfs Kakashi's suiton ability without water sources

Suiton > Katon and Madara's fire isn't nearly enough to compete against such huge suiton even less at 15m.
Then Kakashi one shot him with a raiton kage bunshin from underground + raikiri.

Don't overate 3T Madara.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Suiton > Katon and Madara's fire isn't nearly enough to compete against such huge suiton even less at 15m.
Then Kakashi one shot him with a raiton kage bunshin from underground + raikiri.

Don't overate 3T Madara.

I still think the duo takes it but Kakashi's suiton wall wasn't enough to negate Kakazu's fuuton + katon jutsu, which isn't at the scale of Madara's katon.

 

[VongolaX]

3Tomoe Old Madara >> Kakashi and Gai.

 

[Kamui Sama]

The only thing Madara has shown that will be a threat to both Kakashi and Gai is the huge fire ability. If they can counter it then I don't see Madara winning once they get into close range. Gai's taijutsu should be able to keep Madara at bay while Kakashi can use a variety of techniques and end with raikiri.

Actually Madara's shadow clones could be a major problem. He can at the very least spawn 25..

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Alrighty. Here's why earth wall protects kakashi from maddy's fireballs.

Despite how big Madara uchiha's fireballs are in terms of destructive capabilities...its lacking.

We've seen the effects that uchiha itachi's fireballs have on the landscape. Even at 30% his grand fireball jutsu carved out a considerable part of the floor, and left the ground smoldering.Yet kakashi still noted that its weaker than usual.

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A 100% Itachi's katon was only overpowered by a curse mark sasuke's who while using curse mark also incinerated rocks and structures in its wake:

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Madara on the other hand has failed to burn through wood even though wood is highly flammable:

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Failed to burn through rocks or make any noticeable change in the landscape(both the ones smashed into the fireballs themselves by the juubi and the ones jutting from the floor):

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Even when his prowess was fist showcased the fodder water nin were not worried about its power but its range:

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Despite its size the sand that garra's division was standing on didnt turn to glass nor was it incinerated or melted by maddy's fireball.

If its not powerful enough to change the landscape its not powerful enough to effect constructs made by said landscape. Or in simpler terms if it cant burn mere rocks or pebbles why would it burn through a wall made of the same material?

 

[VongolaX]

The only thing Madara has shown that will be a threat to both Kakashi and Gai is the huge fire ability. If they can counter it then I don't see Madara winning once they get into close range. Gai's taijutsu should be able to keep Madara at bay while Kakashi can use a variety of techniques and end with raikiri.

Actually Madara's shadow clones could be a major problem. He can at the very least spawn 25..

3 tomoe Madara that is connected to Gedo Mazo can use a powerful genjustu to beat Kakashi and Gai, if you don't believe that, he has that yin yang release.

He used one form of yin yang release to create the white zetsu...

He can use others that were seen in the series so far...

 

[Benjamin King]

Madara mid difficulty, as much as I hate to say it.

His Katon dwarfs Kakashi's Suiton by miles. Kakashi will not wash it off. Furthermore, Katon will travel underground. None of Kakashi's Bunshin can fool Madara's Sharingan perception. He can see through them. Gai's movements in below the 7th gates is easy to follow. Sharingan tracked Juubito's speed by Sasuke. Madara is superior Sharingan wielder. All of their attacks will get blocked by the gunbai. They will be burned to death.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

What the ****? People are actually debating for Kakashi and Gai? Madara's - and Obito's - combined Katon was able to distort the shape of the BM shrouds left on the alliance. You think Kakashi - that move was used with a water source, FYI - and Gai can accomplish anything? At Taijutsu level, Madara is clearly much superior than Base Gai and Kakashi. He reacted to Speed of Light Teleportation of Tsunade and Raikage, for Gods sake.

You people cannot be serious. It's a stomp.

What the **** are you smoking man??

 

[shelke]

What the **** are you smoking man??

Stop wasting every body's time and read the manga properly:

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- The purifying pot was travelling at the speed of light.

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- Tsunade being teleported to the battle-field with the same technique.

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- Madara reacted and guarded perfectly. Muu on the other hand, got smashed into the hill, when he's one of the two best sensors.

 

[Bronze]

Madara mid diff.​

 

[Touken]

Stop wasting every body's time and read the manga properly:

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- The purifying pot was travelling at the speed of light.

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- Tsunade being teleported to the battle-field with the same technique.

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- Madara reacted and guarded perfectly. Muu on the other hand, got smashed into the hill, when he's one of the two best sensors.

You do know that blinding light is a massive sign to put your guard up? Muu had his guard up well before Ay attacked, the only reason he got pummeled was because he tried to attack Ay but got hit because Ay's striking speed is superior to Muu's. They did not react to light speed, they realized that blinding light usually means something's about to come.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Earth wall blocks it. I'll go into detail tomorrow.

It required about 10 Suiton users to block a smaller one, which was vaporized instantly although Suiton > Katon in manga. An earth wall isn't blocking that one, which required Naruto's cloak to survive without tan.​

 

[shelke]

^ I am not sure what your point is. The manga states that they teleported there at the Speed of Light. Nothing disputes it, so they did. Muu is great at evading, as he evaded an attack from behind from KCM Naruto. His sensing gives him an edge. The Teleportation was instant, what happened afterwards is the same as FTG. Minato and Tobirama teleport instantly with FTG, but when the arrive at the point, they obviously do not move at the same speed themselves.

Point remains, Madara did react to 'Speed of Light' Teleportation. It's a huge feat.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It required about 10 Suiton users to block a smaller one, which was vaporized instantly although Suiton > Katon in manga. An earth wall isn't blocking that one, which required Naruto's cloak to survive without tan.​

I already explained why earth wall blocks it.

 

[Touken]

^ I am not sure what your point is. The manga states that they teleported there at the Speed of Light. Nothing disputes it, so they did. Muu is great at evading, as he evaded an attack from behind from KCM Naruto. His sensing gives him an edge. The Teleportation was instant, what happened afterwards is the same as FTG. Minato and Tobirama teleport instantly with FTG, but when the arrive at the point, they obviously do not move at the same speed themselves.

Point remains, Madara did react to 'Speed of Light' Teleportation. It's a huge feat.

Blinding light:

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That's why Madara put his guard up. Muu put his guard up too but then he decided to try to attack Ay but his striking speed was slower than Ay's which is why Muu got hit [

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[shelke]

^ That negates Speed of Light Teleportation? Why are you denying Manga facts? The Blinding light is there because they were teleported with a flash of light. Kishomoto has drawn it to specify their teleportation. It doesn't change anything.

 

[Touken]

^ That negates Speed of Light Teleportation? Why are you denying Manga facts? The Blinding light is there because they were teleported with a flash of light. Kishomoto has drawn it to specify their teleportation. It doesn't change anything.

The blinding light appeared before they were teleported. Unless you're telling me Muu can move his arm at the speed of light? They put their guard up because they saw a flash of light before Ay and Tsunade appeared.