"Fix your books reform it"? I hope your not serious with that statement and if you are serious with it, then that is one of the most arrogant statement to ever be made by any individual.
How is that arrogant? Its clear the people who become radical terrorists become that way due to A) being told bullshit information and B) Being brought up un unstable environments. What do you think feels right to them when they've lived in a worn torn environment? Civilized discussions and gatherings or terroist attacks because all they have is the Quran to go off of because they don't have the same information people in the west do?
How is that arrogant? Its clear the people who become radical terrorists become that way due to A) being told bullshit information and B) Being brought up un unstable environments. What do you think feels right to them when they've lived in a worn torn environment? Civilized discussions and gatherings or terroist attacks because all they have is the Quran to go off of because they don't have the same information people in the west do?
It's arrogant because you want people to change their belief because of your views and there is no way out of that.
I love how you skip the other choice where people simply become terrorist because they merely want to justify their evil actions. It's call taking "advantage" and it happens in every religion. The Caucasians in the United States use to treat African-Americans the worst way possible and that was just around 60-70 years ago.
It's arrogant because you want people to change their belief because of your views and there is no way out of that.
I love how you skip the other choice where people simply become terrorist because they merely want to justify their evil actions. It's call taking "advantage" and it happens in every religion. The Caucasians in the United States use to treat African-Americans the worst way possible and that was just around 60-70 years ago.
It's arrogant because you want people to change their belief because of your views and there is no way out of that.
I love how you skip the other choice where people simply become terrorist because they merely want to justify their evil actions. It's call taking "advantage" and it happens in every religion. The Caucasians in the United States use to treat African-Americans the worst way possible and that was just around 60-70 years ago.
Or maybe Islam a violent religion and such environments combined with a violent religion make the perfect combo for making violent people? Not saying Muslims are violent, but what they believe is violent.
Or maybe Islam a violent religion and such environments combined with a violent religion make the perfect combo for making violent people? Not saying Muslims are violent, but what they believe is violent.
Seriously a Violent Religion? Where have I not heard that before.
Most of the people in ISIS have never picked up a Quran in there lives and aren't practicing there religion at all.
Ever think it could be because of all the stuff the US pulled in the Iraq invasion and the constant bombings of Iraq it would cause a bunch of people to get angry to the point that they want to do the same thing that the US did to them.
BTW, I'm not justifying ISIS I'm just saying it's mostly politics and less religion.
Seriously a Violent Religion? Where have I not heard that before.
Most of the people in ISIS have never picked up a Quran in there lives and aren't practicing there religion at all.
Ever think it could be because of all the stuff the US pulled in the Iraq invasion and the constant bombings of Iraq it would cause a bunch of people to get angry to the point that they want to do the same thing that the US did to them.
BTW, I'm not justifying ISIS I'm just saying it's mostly politics and less religion.
I'll never understand why people try and act like the terrorists in ISIS aren't real Muslims. That "No True Scottsman" fallacy gives me autism. Its clear that they want a theocratic state in which Islam is the ruling religion.
no, these people are all *******s, they really believe that women are inferior to men, and are at the pic of hypocrisy for everything they do, they don't deserve the holy land they are on. damned quraich, these are the people who fought the prophet for business, they will always be the same hhhhh
no, these people are all *******s, they really believe that women are inferior to men, and are at the pic of hypocrisy for everything they do, they don't deserve the holy land they are on. damned quraich, these are the people who fought the prophet for business, they will always be the same hhhhh
and I'm muslim to and I believe in what you said but most of the saudis don't and that's a shame. my mom went to mecca and from what she told me, women are treated like shit in there.
and not only for women, all of the muslim world gives them trillions from the hadje every year, and the business is always going well because of the omra that goes on all over the year, and the oil that they were blessed with...well guess what, most of saudi arabia is not developped only few cities like mecca and al madina, they have the ressources to be a leader country and they don't do shit, only opress the weak and lick america's ass
and lets not forget about the thousands that die on a regular base in the hadje because of their poor management, the only job they should be focussing on they don't do damn it
and I'm muslim to and I believe in what you said but most of the saudis don't and that's a shame. my mom went to mecca and from what she told me, women are treated like shit in there.
and not only for women, all of the muslim world gives them trillions from the hadje every year, and the business is always going well because of the omra that goes on all over the year, and the oil that they were blessed with...well guess what, most of saudi arabia is not developped only few cities like mecca and al madina, they have the ressources to be a leader country and they don't do shit, only opress the weak and lick america's ass
I'll never understand why people try and act like the terrorists in ISIS aren't real Muslims. That "No True Scottsman" fallacy gives me autism. Its clear that they want a theocratic state in which Islam is the ruling religion.
how was it alright ? did you see how they treat women ? economicaly, hajj should be like heaven from all the money muslims give them, not like it is. but even so, every 3 or 4 years you hear that more than 500 people died in hajj, they say that they are going to fix things but they do nothing, deaths in hajj are since the 90's (only the ones that I know, the phenomenon is 100% older than this since problems like these are fixed with time and not made worse)
you leave mecca, al madina, jedda and you find youself in an average third world country with no ressources, what the **** man, WTF
how was it alright ? did you see how they treat women ? economicaly, hajj should be like heaven from all the money muslims give them, not like it is. but even so, every 3 or 4 years you hear that more than 500 people died in hajj, they say that they are going to fix things but they do nothing, deaths in hajj are since the 90's (only the ones that I know, the phenomenon is 100% older than this since problems like these are fixed with time and not made worse)
you leave mecca, al madina, jedda and you find youself in an average third world country with no ressources, what the **** man, WTF
i didnt see any abuse or anything when i went there, yeah people keep dying in hajj yet they do nothing people saved up money for god knows how long and they wont change the conditions
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun"
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".
Okay bud, ISIS sure isn't following anything straight out of the Quran. Totally, one hundred percent. They might as well not be Muslims. Absolutely haram.
"Fix your books reform it"? I hope your not serious with that statement and if you are serious with it, then that is one of the most arrogant statement to ever be made by any individual.
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun"
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".
Okay bud, ISIS sure isn't following anything straight out of the Quran. Totally, one hundred percent. They might as well not be Muslims. Absolutely haram.
Surah 2 is about self-defense. And Fitnah doesn't even mean disbelief or unrest it means Persecution or Trial in some cases. There's a reason why you should look up on the Qur'an instead of taking verses out that seems "violent". Yes ISIS are Muslims and even the Prophet has predicted about them how their actions don't represent the Qur'an or the Hadith.
Surah 2 is about self-defense. And Fitnah doesn't even mean disbelief or unrest it means Persecution or Trial in some cases. There's a reason why you should look up on the Qur'an instead of taking verses out that seems "violent". Yes ISIS are Muslims and even the Prophet has predicted about them how their actions don't represent the Qur'an or the Hadith.
man, don't bother with him, we'll have agaiin to talk about the context of these verses and blablablabla to explain how he doesn't know what he is talking about but he won't understand because he didn't study enough, he is an ignorant and he will always ignore that he is ignorant. let him say whatever he wants
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun"
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".
Okay bud, ISIS sure isn't following anything straight out of the Quran. Totally, one hundred percent. They might as well not be Muslims. Absolutely haram.
Of course you cherry pick verses without giving the verse before or after.
(2:190-192) "And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihad, but it was supplemented by another.
And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
But if they cease, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Let's see the commentary by Jalal ad-Din al-Mahalli who's ascholar of Islam unlike you says about these verses.
"After the Prophet (s) was prevented from [visiting] the House in the year of the battle of Hudaybiyya, he made a pact with the disbelievers that he would be allowed to return the following year, at which time they would vacate Mecca for three days. Having prepared to depart for the Visitation [‘umra], [he and] the believers were concerned that Quraysh would not keep to the agreement and instigate fighting. The Muslims were averse to becoming engaged in fighting while in a state of pilgrimage inviolability in the Sacred Enclosure [al-haram] and during the sacred months, and so the following was revealed."
(2:216-217)"Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.
They ask you concerning fighting in the Sacred Months (i.e. 1st, 7th, 11th and 12th months of the Islamic calendar). Say, "Fighting therein is a great (transgression) but a greater (transgression) with Allah is to prevent mankind from following the Way of Allah, to disbelieve in Him, to prevent access to Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah), and to drive out its inhabitants, and Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And they will never cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion (Islamic Monotheism) if they can. And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever."
Let's see the commentary of this verse as well.
"This was revealed about Sa'd Ibn Abi Waqqas, al-Miqdad Ibn al-Aswad and their associates. It was then revealed regarding 'Abdullah Ibn Jahsh and his companions who killed 'Amr Ibn al-Hadrami and their asking about warfare during the sacred month-in reference here to Rajab: i.e. the last afternoon of Jumada II, before seeing the moon of Rajab-for the unbelievers had censored them from doing so."
These are what the verses actually mean so do me a favour and stop cherry picking stuff and stop acting like you know what these verses relate to,
man, don't bother with him, we'll have agaiin to talk about the context of these verses and blablablabla to explain how he doesn't know what he is talking about but he won't understand because he didn't study enough, he is an ignorant and he will always ignore that he is ignorant. let him say whatever he wants
