Tomato God
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Luffy Post time skip Zoro post time skip and Sanji post time skip
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Enel kuma and Moria (With oz)
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Enel kuma and Moria (With oz)
[Discussion] 3 v3 brawl old enemies vs new monsters.
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No a all out brawl not seperating into 3v3's
Enel can and will attack zoro and sanji
Luffy can and will attack Enel
Tomato God
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Post time skip Zoro is not > Moria (with oz) Nor > Enel
Enel > Current Zoro
Feat wise enel made his home island dissapear and that was pre-maxium so Enel is an Island buster Way bigger than anything zoro has cut down
And moria with oz was something that it took the whole crew to put down plus nightmare luffy which was luffy times 1000
And zoro is probably on par with Kuma
Assuming none of the opponents grew stronger, it's basically Luffy/Zoro/Sanji versus Kuma because i don't see how Enel or Moria will contribute here that much(they could still be a decent challenge, but not to a great extent) and Kuma is probably Luffy level if not slightly stronger, but he can't handle him alongside Zoro and Sanji
Luffy without haki was stronger then enel. Zoro with haki will destroy him, enel doesnt even know about haki, he would probably let zoro slash him thinking he cant get hurt. Moria is trash and got beat by pre time skip luffy. Zoro> pre time skip luffy very easily. Oz is not stronger than pica or bigger or harder to cut. You are in denial about something here.
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Monster trio, obviously, Luffy beat Enel once nothings changed about his rubber body so Enel's a non factor. It took a lot the first time but they still beat Oz and Moriah so they're a non factor. Which leaves Kuma who completely wrecked all three before, key word BEFORE, before haki, before new speed, before training with some of the best out there.
M3 wins
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Oz is absolutely stronger than Pica hell Oz jr is stronger than Pica. That aside you are right M3 wins.
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Makes him look "tiny" not weak. Size doesn't = strength.
Pica is only the size of an island when he's on an island made of rock. Who would win in an ice island like the Happo Navy's treasure is at Oz or Pica or on a boat? Oz was a legendary figure for a reason, the marines almost shit themselves seeing his little boy. Pica's DF gives him an advantage in a lot of places but that doesn't make him stronger. An argument could be made that it took more to bring down Oz than Pica.
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M3 have CoO, the most important of the Hakis in this match-up...
I don't see them losing.
If not on TB, Moria can't use his 1000 shadows and even so, Hardened Elephant Gatling would neutralize him...
Oz will be dealt just like Pacifista, one-shot by Zoro and Sanji...
I don't see them losing.
If not on TB, Moria can't use his 1000 shadows and even so, Hardened Elephant Gatling would neutralize him...
Oz will be dealt just like Pacifista, one-shot by Zoro and Sanji...
That argument cant be made because zoro now is much much stronger. Pica also has full body CoA, i find it unlikely that pica could be hurt very much by Oz. Especially considering how easily Oz jr was beat by Doffy. Literally cut off his foot without trying. Even if pica cant use his fruit (which would be incredibly rare considering that almost every single location in one piece has stone. Even thriller bark had stone. ) then pica can still use his sword to cut Oz, with his haki it shouldnt be hard.
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I didn't say he couldn't use his fruit I said he couldn't be an island size unless on an island of stone, stop using hyperbole to try and prove a point. If all Pica has around him is a building made of stone that's as big as he can get, if he has a mountain than he can be as big as a mountain don't act like you don't understand how it works.
Zoro is much stronger true, but it took every one of the strawhats plus Nightmare Luffy to take down Oz not just Zoro. And Zoro managed to defeat Pica with one actual attack, those other attacks don't count as not defeating him because they never hit, 1 hit from Zoro and it was game over Pica even with his full body haki.
Zoro one shotting pica is because zoro is strong not because pica is weak. He is one of two characters who have shown full body haki don't play it down because it means he was closer to verge than people will admit. And I don't know about you but the the earth I live on has bedrock meaning that there is stone just about everywhere. I realize that on most islands pics won't get as big as he is on dress rosa however, there is more than enough stone on most every location seen in one piece to be as big as oars. And beyond that I even mentioned that pica doesn't necessarily need it. Once again don't downplay pica haki because he got one shorted. Instead up play zoros haki. Remeber zoro used haki to cut pica. Oz doesn't have haki which puts him at a significant disadvantage as witnesse in evey fight between a user an a non user. In several instances puffy won because he was physically strong enough howver that is not to say oz has enough physical strength to break full body haki. Sanji could barely hurt vergo when he wasn't using coa so imagine how strong full body coa is. It doesn't make sense to say that oz could hurt someone significantly or even at all when they are using fullbody even if it isn't on verges level. Coa has proven time and time again that it is much more powerful than plain physical attacks, and not once have we seen someone break through hardened coa using just physical power.
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Zoro had to cut stone fighting Pica, Zoro had cut stone before facing Oz yet hiss sword attacks against Oz were hardly deep cuts, even that raven attack which looks like it would shred a normal person. Also I don't care about Vergo or his ranking in regard to Pica so why even bring that up, it feels like you're beginning to bring other things into this issue.
The Earth we live on is irrelevant in a manga, buddy, Oda has shown us islands that have no rock.
Do you remember how big Oz was? He was 4 times the size of an average giant who are already 15 meters or so tall(the 15th anniversary "dive to grand world says over 15 but let's say 15) that's 180 feet.
People can we stop with the (insert part 1 character here) doesn't have haki because haki wasn't explained during his time in the manga. If Oda had intro'd armament Haki in chap 1 I'd say very valid point but Oda had never hinted at the concept before the fight with Oz so why would he have Oz show it? Also Oz had Luffy's shadow which gives the body the abilities of the original and Luffy didn't have Haki then, I know a lot of people hate hypothetical's but we actually have no idea what Oz himself was capable of, we only saw him with Luffy's skill and mind state being controlled by Moriah he had no free will or sense of self in that fight and we all know it to be true.
As for Oz's strength, Giants are naturally stronger than a normal sized human and then Oz is four times that gap so Oz is at least 8 times as strong as a good fighter of human size. I'd say that lends a serious hand at breaking an opponents haki, you'd have to have some of the densest Haki imaginable and just because you can coat your whole body doesn't mean it will be dense enough. Also his strength was said to be able to move continents so what's an island gonna do to someone who can move a whole continent?
I've been wondering something about Haki too, say you have 100% Haki in a person. They can use that 100% all in one location but when they disperse it to multiple areas simultaneously is it still 100%at all those spots? Logic would say no, fanyboyism probably says yes. I would think it decreases in density or impactfulness the more it's spread, so instead of having 100% effect on a hand you get 60-70% everywhere.
Luffy broke through Boa Marigolds using gear 2 attacks, which I'm sure you'll come back against with Oz doesn't have, Luffy's main character, Gear 2 isn't pure physical power yada yada. My point is still true that Haki can be broken without Haki.
