3 Tomoe Sasuke vs SRA Neji

[Tauren Chieftain]

Replace Naruto with Neji.

Any version of curse mark is restricted.

Scenarion 2 : Replace Neji with 5 gates Lee,same restrictions for Sasuke.

 

[Mellanoma]

It has begun lol

Scenario 1)
Neji wins

Scenario 2) Hard to say but id imagine if its a battle of speed Lee would eventually win as he is capable of maintaining his speed much better than Sasuke based on feats around that time.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

It has begun lol

Scenario 1)
Neji wins

Scenario 2) Hard to say but id imagine if its a battle of speed Lee would eventually win as he is capable of maintaining his speed much better than Sasuke based on feats around that time.

No I dont make troll threads in this section.Only problem is that mods sometimes remove my troll thread here.

I think Lee has better chance of winning.

 

[Mellanoma]

No I dont make troll threads in this section.Only problem is that mods sometimes remove my troll thread here.

I think Lee has better chance of winning.

Same simply based on the fact that lee can maintain his speed much longer than Sasuke AND sasuke can't use Chidori while maintaining agility

 

[Made in Heaven]

Neji and Lee take it in both cases.

 

[JStar King]

So basically, Neji and Lee are not restricted but Sasuke is?

Is your hate for Sasuke really that bad?

:wut:

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

So basically, Neji and Lee are not restricted but Sasuke is?

Is your hate for Sasuke really that bad?

:wut:

Without restrictions Sasuke wins but I want to see how he would fight against those with restriction.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke beats Neji. Neji is superior in raw speed but when it comes to reflexes and reactions Sasuke's feats are comfortably above his due to 3-Tomoe. So we can forget about him countering Chidori like Itachi and Kakashi, 2 shinobi far faster than Neji, did. We can also forget Neji landing any hits on a guy fast enough to evade KN0 and KN1's raw speed. In hand to hand Neji would spank Sasuke and he's faster than his CE counterpart so simply dashing w/ Chidori from afar won't work. So to land Chidori all he needs to do is force Neji to evade one attack and then quickly follow up with Chidori afterwards, that could be done with Katon Dragon Flame or whatever.

That or Sasuke uses Chidori as a "melee" weapon while in close combat, since Neji can't clash against Chidori with his bare hands. If Neji ever tries to use Rotation it gets ripped through just like Gaara's Sand was. Sasuke beats him mid-high diff. The only issue is landing Chidori.

If Lee isn't much faster than KN1 is Sasuke will evade him. CE Prelims Neji is capable of reacting to 5G Lee to some extent, SRA Neji is far beyond that and 3-Tomoe Sasuke is beyond even that. 2-Tomoe Sasuke is at least on par with CE Neji let alone CE Prelims Neji yet KN0 was blitzing him left and right until he got 3-Tomoe. Lee can't blitz this version of Sasuke without reaction. If Sasuke can meet any one of Lee's attacks w/ Chidori then he can defeat him. Otherwise he gets caught in Ura Renge and dies. This one is a toss up.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Sasuke beats Neji. Neji is superior in raw speed but when it comes to reflexes and reactions Sasuke's feats are comfortably above his due to 3-Tomoe. So we can forget about him countering Chidori like Itachi and Kakashi, 2 shinobi far faster than Neji, did. We can also forget Neji landing any hits on a guy fast enough to evade KN0 and KN1's raw speed. In hand to hand Neji would spank Sasuke and he's faster than his CE counterpart so simply dashing w/ Chidori from afar won't work. So to land Chidori all he needs to do is force Neji to evade one attack and then quickly follow up with Chidori afterwards, that could be done with Katon Dragon Flame or whatever.

That or Sasuke uses Chidori as a "melee" weapon while in close combat, since Neji can't clash against Chidori with his bare hands. If Neji ever tries to use Rotation it gets ripped through just like Gaara's Sand was. Sasuke beats him mid-high diff. The only issue is landing Chidori.

If Lee isn't much faster than KN1 is Sasuke will evade him. CE Prelims Neji is capable of reacting to 5G Lee to some extent, SRA Neji is far beyond that and 3-Tomoe Sasuke is beyond even that. 2-Tomoe Sasuke is at least on par with CE Neji let alone CE Prelims Neji yet KN0 was blitzing him left and right until he got 3-Tomoe. Lee can't blitz this version of Sasuke without reaction. If Sasuke can meet any one of Lee's attacks w/ Chidori then he can defeat him. Otherwise he gets caught in Ura Renge and dies. This one is a toss up.

Eyes keeping up is not same as body keeping up.

Base Kimimaro was easily able to keep up with KN0 Naruto unlike Neji and . Gate 1 Lee was faster than CM version 1 Kimimaro.

So in terms of speed :1 gate Lee > CM version 1 Kimimaro > Base Kimimaro >= Kn0 Naruto

5 gate > KN1 Naruto (and Sasuke had to use curse mark version 2 to keep up with KN1 speed)

Without curse mark its clear Sasuke loses to Lee.Chidori is never landing nor he does have durability to tank his attacks.

 

[KidGamer65]

Eyes keeping up is not same as body keeping up.

Base Kimimaro was easily able to keep up with KN0 Naruto unlike Neji and . Gate 1 Lee was faster than CM version 1 Kimimaro.

So in terms of speed :1 gate Lee > CM version 1 Kimimaro > Base Kimimaro >= Kn0 Naruto

5 gate > KN1 Naruto (and Sasuke had to use curse mark version 2 to keep up with KN1 speed)

Without curse mark its clear Sasuke loses to Lee.Chidori is never landing nor he does have durability to tank his attacks.

Doesn't matter. That has nothing to do with what I said. I didn't say "Sasuke can track this person thus he can react to Lee".

Uh, no. Base Kimimaro was destroying KN0. In terms of reaction speed Kimimaro is far above him. Same goes for Lee. Lee being able to run faster than he can is irrelevant to that fact.

The bold is also obviously wrong. Sasuke w/o Curse Mark at all is fast enough to dodge KN1's physical speed. The reason he got hit was the chakra, and he was forced to level up in order to match Naruto's power. Not his speed.

Your entire comparison doesn't even matter because Kimimaro can easily "keep up" with Lee or Naruto in combat due to his reflexes nor does it show that Sasuke can't react to 5G Lee because everyone listed is someone that cannot blitz Sasuke.

What's worse is that you didn't even address anything in my post so I'll wait for you to do that as well. I don't want to hear Neji fans telling me how 5G Lee is too fast for Sasuke to comfortably react to when CE Prelims Neji was stated to be able to react to him somewhat. Not when 3-Tomoe Sasuke and that Neji are on two completely different planes of speed. I don't want to hear "Chidori is never landing" either when Lee puts himself in the perfect position for Sasuke to hit him w/ Chidori due to the fact he charges at a speed that prevents him from countering the enemy's own counterattack efficiently. If Sasuke is fast enough to react to him, which he is, a well timed Chidori spells "The End" for Lee.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Doesn't matter. That has nothing to do with what I said. I didn't say "Sasuke can track this person thus he can react to Lee".

Uh, no. Base Kimimaro was destroying KN0. In terms of reaction speed Kimimaro is far above him. Same goes for Lee. Lee being able to run faster than he can is irrelevant to that fact.

The bold is also obviously wrong. Sasuke w/o Curse Mark at all is fast enough to dodge KN1's physical speed. The reason he got hit was the chakra, and he was forced to level up in order to match Naruto's power. Not his speed.

Your entire comparison doesn't even matter because Kimimaro can easily "keep up" with Lee or Naruto in combat due to his reflexes nor does it show that Sasuke can't react to 5G Lee because everyone listed is someone that cannot blitz Sasuke.

What's worse is that you didn't even address anything in my post so I'll wait for you to do that as well. I don't want to hear Neji fans telling me how 5G Lee is too fast for Sasuke to comfortably react to when CE Prelims Neji was stated to be able to react to him somewhat. Not when 3-Tomoe Sasuke and that Neji are on two completely different planes of speed. I don't want to hear "Chidori is never landing" either when Lee puts himself in the perfect position for Sasuke to hit him w/ Chidori due to the fact he charges at a speed that prevents him from countering the enemy's own counterattack efficiently. If Sasuke is fast enough to react to him, which he is, a well timed Chidori spells "The End" for Lee.

Neji eyes were able to follow Lee 5 gate speed not his body. . That is because Byakugan has 360 field of vision unlike normal eyes 120 , so if something leaves that field with high speed normal eye wont be able to follow without moving head fast enough to catch that speed .Neji dont have those problems.

Neji reacting to 5 gate Lee is your baseless assumption. if anything manga implies different. Lee said this was meant for Neji not Gaara and Might Gai said that is key for Lee to defeat Neji.

KN0/ KN1 doesnt have any speed feats that come close to 5 gate Lee nowhere near . Sasuke too doesn´t have reaction speed feats to prove he can react to 5 Gates Lee

Gate users movements are different from rest,shunshin is for one try only,you use it and that your speed return to your normal speed.Gate user use constant high movement speed. Sasuke can maybe react to first attempt but the following attack will catch him because of constant speed movement I mentioned.

Not to mention CQC favors Lee.

I am not saying Lee definitely wins I am just saying manga feats favors him

 

[KidGamer65]

Neji eyes were able to follow Lee 5 gate speed not his body. . That is because Byakugan has 360 field of vision unlike normal eyes 120 , so if something leaves that field with high speed normal eye wont be able to follow without moving head fast enough to catch that speed .Neji dont have those problems.

Neji reacting to 5 gate Lee is your baseless assumption. if anything manga implies different. Lee said this was meant for Neji not Gaara and Might Gai said that is key for Lee to defeat Neji.

KN0/ KN1 doesnt have any speed feats that come close to 5 gate Lee nowhere near . Sasuke too doesn´t have reaction speed feats to prove he can react to 5 Gates Lee

Gate users movements are different from rest,shunshin is for one try only,you use it and that your speed return to your normal speed.Gate user use constant high movement speed. Sasuke can maybe react to first attempt but the following attack will catch him because of constant speed movement I mentioned.

Not to mention CQC favors Lee.

Ura Renge was needed because it was the high speed combo Lee needed to not get hit. If 5G Lee needs a high speed combo on top of his natural speed in order to land hits then it means Neji can somewhat react to Lee's regular combat speed. And even if you want to argue that it means a Neji far below himself in SRA who is comfortably below Sasuke can react to anything below that, which means 4G and below.

If CE Neji can react to 4G Lee, 5G Lee isn't blitzing SRA Neji nor is he blitzing anyone on that level of speed or above.

3-Tomoe Sasuke>SRA Neji (4 in speed)>>CE Neji (3) >CE Prelims (3).

The gap in speed between 4G and 5G isn't even noticeable enough to make that claim meanwhile the gap between Neji at the start of Part 1 and end of Part 1 is very noticeable. Feats and stats agree.

The bold is irrelevant. If Lee is launching an attack there is no dancing around him or any of that as Lee himself blatantly states. When he or anyone moving like him launches an attack at high speed there is no counter attacking at the last minute.

5G Lee can't blitz Neji so he won't blitz Sasuke.

And even if we talk speed feats. Lee's speed feats are always exaggerated by fans because of how Kishimoto draws him while moving at high speeds. :lol

Lee feats

-Blitzing Gaara.
-Being stated to be fast enough to blitz Prelims Neji w/ Ura Renge.

Naruto feats

-Blitzing the shit out of 2-Tomoe VoTE Sasuke, who was at least on par w/ Neji during the CE, who is superior to Neji during the Prelims. If we go with an accurate measurement then 2-Tomoe Sasuke>Neji in reaction speed.

-KN1, being comfortably and noticeably faster than the same Naruto that was blitzing Sasuke who is faster than Neji.

Lee doesn't even have the feats to put him far above Naruto tbh.

 

[DrProof]

Ura Renge was needed because it was the high speed combo Lee needed to not get hit. If 5G Lee needs a high speed combo on top of his natural speed in order to land hits then it means Neji can somewhat react to Lee's regular combat speed. And even if you want to argue that it means a Neji far below himself in SRA who is comfortably below Sasuke can react to anything below that, which means 4G and below.

If CE Neji can react to 4G Lee, 5G Lee isn't blitzing SRA Neji nor is he blitzing anyone on that level of speed or above.

3-Tomoe Sasuke>SRA Neji (4 in speed)>>CE Neji (3) >CE Prelims (3).

The gap in speed between 4G and 5G isn't even noticeable enough to make that claim meanwhile the gap between Neji at the start of Part 1 and end of Part 1 is very noticeable. Feats and stats agree.

The bold is irrelevant. If Lee is launching an attack there is no dancing around him or any of that as Lee himself blatantly states. When he or anyone moving like him launches an attack at high speed there is no counter attacking at the last minute.

5G Lee can't blitz Neji so he won't blitz Sasuke.

And even if we talk speed feats. Lee's speed feats are always exaggerated by fans because of how Kishimoto draws him while moving at high speeds. :lol

Lee feats

-Blitzing Gaara.
-Being stated to be fast enough to blitz Prelims Neji w/ Ura Renge.

Naruto feats

-Blitzing the shit out of 2-Tomoe VoTE Sasuke, who was at least on par w/ Neji during the CE, who is superior to Neji during the Prelims. If we go with an accurate measurement then 2-Tomoe Sasuke>Neji in reaction speed.

-KN1, being comfortably and noticeably faster than the same Naruto that was blitzing Sasuke who is faster than Neji.

Lee doesn't even have the feats to put him far above Naruto tbh.

Lol @ you actually arguing this with one of the trolls from NDS, one that hate the Uchiha at that. You won't win by succession that's a fact, I'd just drop it. Killing too many brain cells.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol @ you actually arguing this with one of the trolls from NDS, one that hate the Uchiha at that. You won't win by succession that's a fact, I'd just drop it. Killing too many brain cells.

I've argued with him before. He'll either concede or stop replying, at least I think he will. Idk why he started trolling in NDS, wanking the Hyuga of all people :lol

Either way, I actually want to address some of this stuff just so it's there.

 

[DrProof]

I've argued with him before. He'll either concede or stop replying, at least I think he will. Idk why he started trolling in NDS, wanking the Hyuga of all people :lol

Either way, I actually want to address some of this stuff just so it's there.

I haven't seen him concede yet lmfao. I mean the Hyuga are cool, but this excessive wank talking about Byakugan >> Sharingan shit is over the top.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Ura Renge was needed because it was the high speed combo Lee needed to not get hit. If 5G Lee needs a high speed combo on top of his natural speed in order to land hits then it means Neji can somewhat react to Lee's regular combat speed. And even if you want to argue that it means a Neji far below himself in SRA who is comfortably below Sasuke can react to anything below that, which means 4G and below.

If CE Neji can react to 4G Lee, 5G Lee isn't blitzing SRA Neji nor is he blitzing anyone on that level of speed or above.

3-Tomoe Sasuke>SRA Neji (4 in speed)>>CE Neji (3) >CE Prelims (3).

The gap in speed between 4G and 5G isn't even noticeable enough to make that claim meanwhile the gap between Neji at the start of Part 1 and end of Part 1 is very noticeable. Feats and stats agree.

The bold is irrelevant. If Lee is launching an attack there is no dancing around him or any of that as Lee himself blatantly states. When he or anyone moving like him launches an attack at high speed there is no counter attacking at the last minute.

5G Lee can't blitz Neji so he won't blitz Sasuke.

And even if we talk speed feats. Lee's speed feats are always exaggerated by fans because of how Kishimoto draws him while moving at high speeds. :lol

Lee feats

-Blitzing Gaara.
-Being stated to be fast enough to blitz Prelims Neji w/ Ura Renge.

Naruto feats

-Blitzing the shit out of 2-Tomoe VoTE Sasuke, who was at least on par w/ Neji during the CE, who is superior to Neji during the Prelims. If we go with an accurate measurement then 2-Tomoe Sasuke>Neji in reaction speed.

-KN1, being comfortably and noticeably faster than the same Naruto that was blitzing Sasuke who is faster than Neji.

Lee doesn't even have the feats to put him far above Naruto tbh.

Bold 1 : I never look at this from that perspective ,so I guess you are right in the end.

Bold 2. Also I must say I never compared their speed based on those. I was simply refering that in no manga scans KN0/KN1 Naruto was moving like this.

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[KidGamer65]

I haven't seen him concede yet lmfao. I mean the Hyuga are cool, but this excessive wank talking about Byakugan >> Sharingan shit is over the top.

Right. These dudes need to calm down. When you argue in NDS for one person it automatically means that you hate the opposition according to them. Garbage section.

Bold 1 : I never look at this from that perspective ,so I guess you are right in the end.

Bold 2. Also I must say I never compared their speed based on those. I was simply refering that in no manga scans KN0/KN1 Naruto was moving like this.

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I figured as much. Minato, RSM Naruto, JJ Madara and RG Sasuke have never been depicted to move like that on panel either, yet they are all tiers above Lee in speed.

 

[Antdog]

You could give Sasuke his curse seal and I'd still favor Neji to win. Sasuke is outclassed in CQC and Neji can defend himself at the last second via Rotation so if Sasuke is about to land a hit, it's gonna be blocked. Sasuke's only shot at winning is landing Chidori but Rotation pretty much stops him so unless Sasuke goes up against an incomplete rotation, Neji got this in the bag

 

[Logic1992]

Neji wins. Sasuke's only hope is setting up a scenario where Neji cant properly react to Chidori , but Byakugan gives Neji easy perception of all Sasuke's movements and any elaborately thrown projectiles with strings attached to them. Neji can easily expel chakra to alter away these things , which with the added locational perception of his eyes crumbles the core of Sasuke' s triple windmill Dragon flame formation and even if he tries to create some kind of stratagem to land Chidori after a set up , Neji can always emit Chakra on a medium scale to alter Sasuke's forward movement to better maneuver around Sasuke's thrust so he can touch him.

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VS 5gLee Sasuke needs a bit of time before he can actiavte Chidori , the time Sasuke would spend with the seals 5 Gates Lee would spend getting right up in his face and by the stipulations of the thread im of the impression that both fights start at this range.

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Too close for Sasuke to have a chance in any of these fights.

 

[shelke]

Sasuke wins. He was fully capable of dodging a supersonic air-slice:

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You take out the first, lingering effects of CS and he would still be pretty damn fast. Stating that his speed and reaction rate are nowhere near Neji is such a hyperbolic and stupid statement.

Heck, Neji himself considered Sasuke a formidable foe, and this guy is still at 2T:

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Strategy and intelligence wise, it's not even a contest. Get back to me when Neji (or anyone else in his peers, throw in Kakashi too) does something even remotely along the lines of this:

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Orochimaru's path was flawlessly seen by Sasuke along with an additional route where he trapped him; something Orochimaru himself didn't see:

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Sasuke has a better arsenal and skills in using weaponry. He is even capable of sticking a kunai to his foot to form quick strategies for close combat:

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Not to mention his phoenix Katon arsenal that couldn't even be blown away with sonic attacks:

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Combine his speed with Chidori and reflex action and I can't see how Neji isn't taken out at mid difficulty at most.

As for Lee, then who knows? I'll give Sasuke the benefit of the doubt anywhere as him and Naruto rose above all their peers at Vote II.