[VS] 3-T Itachi vs Tsunade

[Lariatoo]

Funny/sad thing is ...
That Itachi still wins...

 

[Apêx1]

You have no idea how 3rd took it. He probably didnt even feel anything at all. He probably didnt wince from the pain. Again you have no idea how he took the technique.

What we do know is Tsunade and Ay were put in the exact same situation, everything exactly the same and the only thing which separated the outcome was minor cuts.

Are you really this retarded? He and I are saying that your analogy is flawed. If you put PS in that situation, PS would be unscathed while Tsunade would have minor cuts. Is the difference in their durability minor cuts? Nope, so the comparison is flawed. Them being in the same situation literally means nothing.

 

[Icelerate]

What the hell? Piercing is just increasing the amount of force on a smaller amount of area. That still means her body is vulnerable to being cut open, meaning Itachi would just need to 'pierce' her with his kunai to kill her. Or are you now saying that Itachi is only allowed to cut her, and isn't allowed to pierce her? A Kunai through the head and into her brain ends it.

Piercing focusses the force of an attack allowing it to breach tougher defences. Cutting Tsunade open would be a lot more difficult than just piercing through her. The brain is protected by the skull but I guess Itachi can go for an uppercut from her vulnerable jaw area or attack her brain through her eye sockets. With the ability to use clones, this should work as Tsunade will get overwhelmed by multiple opponents who can blitz her.

 

[Apêx1]

Piercing focusses the force of an attack allowing it to breach tougher defences. Cutting Tsunade open would be a lot more difficult than just piercing through her. The brain is protected by the skull but I guess Itachi can go for an uppercut from her vulnerable jaw area or attack her brain through her eye sockets. With the ability to use clones, this should work as Tsunade will get overwhelmed by multiple opponents who can blitz her.

Agreed. Clones aren't even needed tbh, he can summon many of his crows, one of which would be transcripted Sharingan: Genjutsu. Either Tsunade keeps her eyes closed or gets put under Genjutsu, either way Itachi can choose the way in which he pierces her brain.

 

[DrProof]

Piercing focusses the force of an attack allowing it to breach tougher defences. Cutting Tsunade open would be a lot more difficult than just piercing through her. The brain is protected by the skull but I guess Itachi can go for an uppercut from her vulnerable jaw area or attack her brain through her eye sockets. With the ability to use clones, this should work as Tsunade will get overwhelmed by multiple opponents who can blitz her.

So you admit that sword to the brain = Dead tsunade. Good, good. Very good.

Agreed. Clones aren't even needed tbh, he can summon many of his crows, one of which would be transcripted Sharingan: Genjutsu. Either Tsunade keeps her eyes closed or gets put under Genjutsu, either way Itachi can choose the way in which he pierces her brain.

Can't use Sharingan Genjutsu in this match-up fam.

 

[RedRobin]

Are you really this retarded? He and I are saying that your analogy is flawed. If you put PS in that situation, PS would be unscathed while Tsunade would have minor cuts. Is the difference in their durability minor cuts? Nope, so the comparison is flawed. Them being in the same situation literally means nothing.

Ay and Tsunade both winced in pain.

Both came in at the same time.

Both Landed a hit.

Ay had no damage, Tsunade minor cuts.

Both scenarios had the exact same thing happen and with only 1 thing being the difference. Durability were tested in the exact scenario and the outcomes were slightly different. This is the evidence of this test and its the only test. You bringing up what ifs doesnt help anything at all.

 

[Lariatoo]

Piercing focusses the force of an attack allowing it to breach tougher defences. Cutting Tsunade open would be a lot more difficult than just piercing through her. The brain is protected by the skull but I guess Itachi can go for an uppercut from her vulnerable jaw area or attack her brain through her eye sockets. With the ability to use clones, this should work as Tsunade will get overwhelmed by multiple opponents who can blitz her.

Precisely. Combine that with exploding clones and Karasu clones that explode in dozens of Crows flying at you and you have an opening to perform it.

 

[DrProof]

Should have made this Base Itachi so it'd be more fair. Whoops.

 

[Icelerate]

Agreed. Clones aren't even needed tbh, he can summon many of his crows, one of which would be transcripted Sharingan: Genjutsu. Either Tsunade keeps her eyes closed or gets put under Genjutsu, either way Itachi can choose the way in which he pierces her brain.

Tsunade can still defend herself from one Itachi and protect her vitals with one or both her arms which is why clones are necessary for a guaranteed victory. I thought the only crow that can cast genjutsu is the one with Shisui's eye.

So you admit that sword to the brain = Dead tsunade. Good, good. Very good.

Not necessarily as Tsunade hasn't been put into that situation so I can't say whether or not that proposition of yours is true or not. Regardless, Tsunade would lose a lot of memory and be incapable of moving allowing Itachi to stab her with even more thus killing her. Not to mention Tsunade can't take them out of her skull faster than Itachi can pepper her with more.

 

[New Dawn]

Itachi solos yet again.

 

[Apêx1]

So you admit that sword to the brain = Dead tsunade. Good, good. Very good.



Can't use Sharingan Genjutsu in this match-up fam.

Oh, lol. Then Ice was right, overwhelming with clones and distractive crows is his best option.

Ay and Tsunade both winced in pain.

Both came in at the same time.

Both Landed a hit.

Ay had no damage, Tsunade minor cuts.

Both scenarios had the exact same thing happen and with only 1 thing being the difference. Durability were tested in the exact scenario and the outcomes were slightly different. This is the evidence of this test and its the only test. You bringing up what ifs doesnt help anything at all.

Since when is pain resistance indicative of durability? Deidara has some of the greatest pain resistance, same with Ororchimaru. Doesn't mean they are even close to comparable to Ay's durability.

And lol at this retard. Again, assume it was PS, it'd be unscratched while Tsunade would have a few scratched. Hurr durr Tsunade is a few scratches less durable then PS smh. Ay had no damage, and you have yet to prove he was borderline damaged. You cannot prove he can't take twice the amount of that energy and end up scratched. You can prove Tsunade would have twice the damage she received. Therefore you have no premise for your durability arguments.

Tsunade can still defend herself from one Itachi and protect her vitals with one or both her arms which is why clones are necessary for a guaranteed victory. I thought the only crow that can cast genjutsu is the one with Shisui's eye.

Nah, Itachi can transcript; Genjutsu, Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi into any one of his crows or clones through his transcription jutsu. It's pretty op. But yea, I agree with you that clones will be necessary since Genjutsu is restricted.

 

[DrProof]

Tsunade can still defend herself from one Itachi and protect her vitals with one or both her arms which is why clones are necessary for a guaranteed victory. I thought the only crow that can cast genjutsu is the one with Shisui's eye.

Not necessarily as Tsunade hasn't been put into that situation so I can't say whether or not that proposition of yours is true or not. Regardless, Tsunade would lose a lot of memory and be incapable of moving allowing Itachi to stab her with even more thus killing her. Not to mention Tsunade can't take them out of her skull faster than Itachi can pepper her with more.

Kinda funny. The one arguing for Tsunade thinks she'd die from being pierced in the brain. And the one arguing for Itachi thinks she maybe would/wouldn't.

Itachi solos yet again.

Master AZ has spoken.

 

[Icelerate]

Nah, Itachi can transcript; Genjutsu, Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi into any one of his crows or clones through his transcription jutsu. It's pretty op. But yea, I agree with you that clones will be necessary since Genjutsu is restricted.

I'll read up more on the transcription jutsu. Is it the one where he inserted amaterasu into Hebi Sasuke at the end of his life?

 

[Apêx1]

This is really only turning to if she can tank a kunai slash/stab lol. When other than that obvious answer (being no) she gets stomped. Can we stop lingering on one topic, and get some other scenario as to how Tsunade actually has a chance? This is why debates get boring lmao.

Don't make boring VS threads then fam, because she has no way of actually standing a chance.

I'll read up more on the transcription jutsu. Is it the one where he inserted amaterasu into Hebi Sasuke at the end of his life?

Yep, he transcripted it to work when he saw Obito. He transcripted the crow to activate KA when it saw Itachi's MS again (which was supposed to be in Sasuke's EMS). He transcripted his crow to activate Sharingan: Genjutsu against Naruto. It's practically undeniable that he can use any of his ocular jutsu through any clone, person or summon.

 

[New Dawn]

Itachi genjutsus her and cuts her arms off like what he did to Orochimaru. She drops on her knees and begs for mercy. The Solo King lets her live and walks toward the sunset. The end.

 

[DrProof]

This is really only turning to if she can tank a kunai slash/stab lol. When other than that obvious answer (being no) she gets stomped. Can we stop lingering on one topic, and get some other scenario as to how Tsunade actually has a chance? This is why debates get boring lmao.

I'll read up more on the transcription jutsu. Is it the one where he inserted amaterasu into Hebi Sasuke at the end of his life?

Yup. All he does is transfer his chakra from one thing to another, give his chakra activation orders, and seal it.

 

[KingHashirama]

The fact you think a Kage gets stomped by a 3-tomoe Itachi.. sigh.

Genjutsu = useless, chakra control easily counters his 3-tomoe genjutsu

Clones = useless can't do much to her




CQC skills get shat on by Tsunade, already pawned Edo Madara's clone, unless you think Itachi is better than him.


Kunai to the head? overwanking now or just ridiculous fanboying.

In which sense does he really beat her again?

 

[DrProof]

Don't make boring VS threads then fam, because she has no way of actually standing a chance.

I thought she'd have a slim chance though fam. Maybe I should have really made it base?

Itachi genjutsus her and cuts her arms off like what he did to Orochimaru. She drops on her knees and begs for mercy. The Solo King lets her live and walks toward the sunset. The end.

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Ayyo Tsunade, you've been delivered.

The fact you think a Kage gets stomped by a 3-tomoe Itachi.. sigh.

Genjutsu = useless, chakra control easily counters his 3-tomoe genjutsu

Clones = useless can't do much to her




CQC skills get shat on by Tsunade, already pawned Edo Madara's clone, unless you think Itachi is better than him.


Kunai to the head? overwanking now or just ridiculous fanboying.

In which sense does he really beat her again?

Genjutsu > Tsunade.

Alright , in this thread I want to have a discussion on genjutsu, Overall it's a pretty op ability in the hands of the right wielder.... But what I want to discuss is the genjutsu that the victim doesn't even realize he's in, the non obvious kinds..Aka one of the broken things in the manga, and i think Kishi literally barely uses it because he knows it's rigged ...I'll give you a few examples from the manga


We've all seen Itachi vs Deidara, If you haven't, take a look

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Now let me explain why it's op...
From reading the manga you should know there are a few way to break genjutsu
Kai method- releasing a surge of chakra from your body to disrupt your chakra flow and escape the genjutsu
Buddy method- An external source , whether inner bijuu or ally disrupts your chakra for you
Genjutsu Overlap/Genjutsu- A method Jiraya never mentioned is that you can escape a genjutsu by overlapping the current genjutsu with another as we've seen...Or if you have a genjutsu similar to heaven/earth reversal, you can reverse the genjutsu onto the caster..

Now seeing that we're talking about 1v1 here buddy method is mostly out of the question, Genjutsu overlapping is highly unlikely and highly situational, and as for the genjutsu reversal technique, it's a sharingan ability itachi has

So we have the kai method...which is HIGHLY innefective against reality simulating genjtusu.. why you ask? well
to escape the genjutsu you first have to REALIZE you're in the genjutsu...
Meaning.. if you don't have sharingan or extremely trained eyes, you're just about dead... how?

well , When a genjutsu is cast on someone, what they see, feel, hear are all controlled by the caster.. it's all real to them... the thing is, when you're put into a genjutsu, you're motionless, still, like a deadbody...

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Meaning, while a battle in genjutsu world is being simulated unknowingly to the victim, the caster can walk up and cut your head off.... yea... You must think i'm insane

but let's look at some examples

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Killer Bee is put into a genjutsu that simulated reality , it's like the fight they were having continued in the genjutsu.. the exact spots they were in, everything.. Killer bee didn't even realize he was in a genjutsu untill 1) itachi told him, 2)his bijuu told him and woke him up

But in REAL time , kabuto (who controlled itachi),had already thrown a couple of shruiken and they were coming at him... Luckily killer bee has a bijuu to get him out..

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Tell me what you think would have happenned if Killer bee didn't have a bijuu to get him out of it? How is any ninja without sharingan or extremely trained eyes, supposed to realize fast enough THEN use the kai method, THEN defend from the attack? It's impossible

If the caster of the genjutsu chooses to not make it obvious, aka if itachi doesn't use his genjutsu signature crows...what then? the victim goes on thinking everything is real?

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While the caster could easily shunshin up to the victim and do that ^, but instead do it to their head..


And there are a few more examples

Sasuke vs Danzo..
Sasuke is no genjutsu expert, according to obito his genjutsu are weak, and according to danzo compared to itachi the difference between the two is comparable to the sky to heaven..
Tobi also said that this genjutsu was just a test from sasuke to see if he could get danzo in one...

But still

Sasuke puts danzo in a genjutsu around here

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Danzo's izanagi puts him on top of the hill, note where sasuke was first.. at the bootom of that hill

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Sasuke idiotically makes his genjutsu obvious by making itachi appear and crows come out

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Now close attention... In the short time of that genjutsu, in the time it took danzo to finally realize he was in one...because sasuke made it painfully obvious...

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In real time, Sasuke had already gotten ontop of the hill , behind danzo and was ready to stab him through the heart before the cursed seal kicked in...

Now lets step back a few seconds.. had sasuke not made itachi appear? had sasuke not make random crows cmoe out.. what would happen? danzo wouldn't have realized he was in a genjutsu and sasuke would have gotten the TWO seconds more he needed to thrust his sword in...

It makes sense what Chiyo said, that in the past, if you fought a uchiha 1v1 to run.. Because the kai method WONT work... it will take too much time to realize then use it.. you'll be dead already in real time..

The worst part is Itachi has non eye contact genjutsu that can do the same reality simulation thing..

It's broken, luckily kishi has only a few ninjas in the manga use this type of genjutsu. and the few times it has been used, plot no jutsu was covered all over it

All other genjutsu we've seen are obvious.. the moment it happens you basically realize you're in it..
Bringer of darkness
Shee's white light genjutsu
Kabuto's white feather A rank
All tayuyas flute stuff
etc etc

Clones are instantaneous on summoning. It's a S/T Technique, once summoned pre-cog Clone Explosion solos.

CQC Itachi can handle his own, especially with being faster than Tsunade.

Kunai/Sword to the eyesocket/brain/neck destroys..

 

[Apêx1]

I thought she'd have a slim chance though fam. Maybe I should have really made it base?

Probably.. Never thought about that match-up though.

 

[Beans2]

Tsunade needs to be wearing one of these things to not get decapitated.

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And even then, Itachi solos. Kunai to the brain GG.