3 eye madara and kaguya vs Current NV

[KidGamer65]

he loses only if they have seals.

No, he loses regardless of the seals.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

No, he loses regardless of the seals.

how? i dont see it happening, if naruto disrupts the bijuus madara just takes them over again, its not like obito, madara literally took full control of bijuus in seconds.

any CT bar six paths he breaks out of.

only problem would be ashura avatar mixed with sasukes PS, which he should surive long enough where the team has no chakra anymore, even if takes days madara is used to that.

 

[KidGamer65]

how? i dont see it happening, if naruto disrupts the bijuus madara just takes them over again, its not like obito, madara literally took full control of bijuus in seconds.

any CT bar six paths he breaks out of.

only problem would be ashura avatar mixed with sasukes PS, which he should surive long enough where the team has no chakra anymore, even if takes days madara is used to that.

Madara isn't strong enough to resist Naruto and Sasuke pulling on the Bijuu together after he's been weakened. Not a chance. Madara's control over them is irrelevant as that's not why Obito lost. Obito lost because he was unable to resist the SA. Naruto and Sasuke are adults here and they have Rikudo's power as well. The SA isn't needed. Especially when Naruto and Sasuke alone are on his level.

Agreed.

Yes, that's the only problem and the main problem. Madara's PS w/ IT chakra inside it would be a good bit stronger than both individually, but not both together nor does he stand a chance of surviving against it. Indra's Arrow w/ excess Nature Energy and the Juubi's chakra obliterates Madara then the Bijuu leak out like they did to Obito and they rip them out.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

Madara isn't strong enough to resist Naruto and Sasuke pulling on the Bijuu together after he's been weakened. Not a chance. Madara's control over them is irrelevant as that's not why Obito lost. Obito lost because he was unable to resist the SA. Naruto and Sasuke are adults here and they have Rikudo's power as well. The SA isn't needed. Especially when Naruto and Sasuke alone are on his level.

Agreed.

Yes, that's the only problem and the main problem. Madara's PS w/ IT chakra inside it would be a good bit stronger than both individually, but not both together nor does he stand a chance of surviving against it. Indra's Arrow w/ excess Nature Energy and the Juubi's chakra obliterates Madara then the Bijuu leak out like they did to Obito and they rip them out.

its not a stomp tho.

 

[KidGamer65]

its not a stomp tho.

Outside of Avatar combat (Pure CQC):

-Naruto and Sasuke dominate Madara. Madara and his Limbo are around RSM Naruto as a kid's level in CQC, as shown by his Limbo being matched by Naruto's clones. Now throw in those same clones, but from an older and stronger and faster Naruto and throw in Sasuke, who matches that Naruto in literally every physical ability except durability.

Outside of Avatar combat (including everything)

-Naruto and Sasuke might win. Naruto in S2 has the same Gudo Dama, but with Bijuu element attacks and BDFRS. Something Madara can't guard against without his Avatar. Sasuke as a kid was already tagging him with Ameno. Sasuke as an adult blitzes him with no reaction with Ameno. Though CT is an issue, so that'll force them to use their Avatars.

Avatar combat:

-Madara's PS gets manhandled by both Sasuke's PS and Naruto's Kurama Avatar, whether or not they use Iso Susanoo or not. If Madara takes in IT chakra to buff his power, he'd rape them until Naruto and Sasuke take in Nature Energy and Bijuu Chakra. Then Indra's Arrow one shots.

If the battle goes like normal battles do I'll give it to them mid diff.

 

[Eng nawashi]

With an access to IT chakra ,Madara wins S1 and can probably win S2.
With an access to IT chakra ,madara can do the following :
1.absorb IT chakra as much as he can handle To boost his all aspects .thus ,his speed,reactions and Rinnegan techs(CT,ST)would be overwhelming to them.
2.Use Multiple Clones of his IT empowered state that uses PS .
3.Empower the original PS with the remaining IT chakra (which would be much bigger than jiubi itself ,considering that Madara can't canonically absorb the first part of IT chakra that Kaguya absorbed at the beginning, which was stated to be much stronger than Jiubi .then we have the other part that kaguya absorbed prior to her defeat ,which was stated to be much bigger than the first part of IT chakra)

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

Outside of Avatar combat (Pure CQC):

-Naruto and Sasuke dominate Madara. Madara and his Limbo are around RSM Naruto as a kid's level in CQC, as shown by his Limbo being matched by Naruto's clones. Now throw in those same clones, but from an older and stronger and faster Naruto and throw in Sasuke, who matches that Naruto in literally every physical ability except durability.

Outside of Avatar combat (including everything)

-Naruto and Sasuke might win. Naruto in S2 has the same Gudo Dama, but with Bijuu element attacks and BDFRS. Something Madara can't guard against without his Avatar. Sasuke as a kid was already tagging him with Ameno. Sasuke as an adult blitzes him with no reaction with Ameno. Though CT is an issue, so that'll force them to use their Avatars.

Avatar combat:

-Madara's PS gets manhandled by both Sasuke's PS and Naruto's Kurama Avatar, whether or not they use Iso Susanoo or not. If Madara takes in IT chakra to buff his power, he'd rape them until Naruto and Sasuke take in Nature Energy and Bijuu Chakra. Then Indra's Arrow one shots.

If the battle goes like normal battles do I'll give it to them mid diff.

cant argue with the first part since they were tagging momoshiki in cqc, naruto clones handle limbo, but madara has shinra tensei to blow them away if he gets pressured in cqc like momoshiki was, so it wont be as bad.

semi agree with the second part, sasuke tagged a weaker madara who had no intel on ameno, he then reacted with limbo swap, i doubt the same would happen to 3 eye madara, if sasuke amenos then he gets blown back via shinra tensei, or he swaps with a limbo to avoid the attack if shinra tensei is in its 5 second cool down, dont think madaras PS would get manhandled unless naruto brings out a few kurama clones but by then its 5 avatars vs 1 ( 4 kuramas, sasukes PS) madara should be able to handle narutos and sasukes regular avatars 1v2 due to his bijuu chakra, but like u said once the NA and indra arrow come in to play its game.

so i think its high diff.

 

[KidGamer65]

cant argue with the first part since they were tagging momoshiki in cqc, naruto clones handle limbo, but madara has shinra tensei to blow them away if he gets pressured in cqc like momoshiki was, so it wont be as bad.

semi agree with the second part, sasuke tagged a weaker madara who had no intel on ameno, he then reacted with limbo swap, i doubt the same would happen to 3 eye madara, if sasuke amenos then he gets blown back via shinra tensei, or he swaps with a limbo to avoid the attack if shinra tensei is in its 5 second cool down, dont thin madaras PS would get manhandled unless naruto brings out a few kurama clones but by then its 5 avatars vs 1 ( 4 kuramas, sasukes PS) madara should be able to handle narutos and sasukes regular avatars 1v2 due to his bijuu chakra, but like u said once the NA and indra arrow come in to play its game.

so i think its high diff.

Yeah, it won't be as bad due to Ninjutsu, but it's still a pretty one sided match.

Madara didn't react with Limbo swap. He got hit then he swapped. Even if I gave him the benefit of the doubt (since his reaction speed is on Naruto's level) this Sasuke is far faster than he was as a kid and he's as fast as RSM Naruto, who is just as fast as JJ Madara....as a kid. :lol Madara gets blitzed. Though he'll easily heal from whatever attack Sasuke throws at him after the blitz, but it won't change the fact that he's getting manhandled in CQC.

And no. Madara's PS would get manhandled. Sasuke alone would be able to match him, let alone help from Naruto, who is equal to Sasuke in that department. If Naruto brings out clones he gets manhandled even worse.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

Yeah, it won't be as bad due to Ninjutsu, but it's still a pretty one sided match.

Madara didn't react with Limbo swap. He got hit then he swapped. Even if I gave him the benefit of the doubt (since his reaction speed is on Naruto's level) this Sasuke is far faster than he was as a kid and he's as fast as RSM Naruto, who is just as fast as JJ Madara....as a kid. :lol Madara gets blitzed. Though he'll easily heal from whatever attack Sasuke throws at him after the blitz, but it won't change the fact that he's getting manhandled in CQC.

And no. Madara's PS would get manhandled. Sasuke alone would be able to match him, let alone help from Naruto, who is equal to Sasuke in that department. If Naruto brings out clones he gets manhandled even worse.

lmaoo its 2v1 i'll take the mid diff then fck it, atleast he would do better than momoshiki did.

 

[madvictory]

Kaguya loses miserably.