2R Madara vs Juubi

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He was in there AoE, hence he caught the damage. Don't give me any nonsensical counter like "They clashed so they only take half the damage each"

Nope.

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Two explosions, one from Madara's attack, and one from Hashirama's attack. You should be able to tell which explosion is on which side based on the pieces of SS flying about the panel. PS is on the left side. If it took any damage from the explosion on the right, it'd be minimal at best since that part of the explosion barely touched it. That's like saying I took the full damage from an explosion despite being on the very edge of it.

Makes no sense.


Hashirama's chakra "enhancing it" should be evident because it made his Chakra stronger.

He had the same chakra when he was an Edo, yet his PS wasn't stronger. So I have no reason, nor do you have any evidence, to prove that Hashirama's chakra will make Madara's Susanoo stronger.


He's now forming the Susano'O with Hagromo's chakra, something freaking Sage himself said Madara has.

Yeah, doesn't mean that it's the same quality as all the other people who've gained this chakra.


Hagromo's chakra is Hagromo's chakra, they're of the same quality.

Wrong. Madara awakened this chakra in his body (Chakra was what led to Rinnegan, so there is no reason for his Rinnegan to be necessary to have this chakra), yet his Complete Susanoo shows no feat that'd lead me to believe it got a massive boost like Sasuke's Susanoo did after he got chakra directly from Hagoromo.


A small portion that Obito got from Madara was enough push Kakashi into overdrive, forming an Indra style PS with MS.

Ok? Doesn't prove that the portion he got from Madara is as strong as what Hagoromo himself, gave to Naruto and Sasuke.

Madara was even forming a much stronger Susano'O without eye's than when he was an Edo
Really now? Madara was making Bijuu Sized Susanoo as an Edo Zombie, but when he was revived, his Susanoo wasn't even bigger than BM Naruto's tail.



Since the tails canceled out the Juubidama

V1 Juubidama = Naruto's Kurama Durability << BSM Naruto's Kurama Durability = EMS Sasuke's Senjutsu Kurama Chakra V3 Susano'O <<<< PS formed with Hagormo's Chakra and added Senjutsu buff

Except you don't know the buff the bold gives him, if anything signficant at all given his performance against the Bijuu. A Senjutsu buff is nice and all, but doesn't change the fact that several Juubi Lasers plow through his construct and kill him. Not to mention Naruto had to lost 6 tails to block that Juubi Laser, meaning using him as evidence doesn't prove that Madara can take it with no damage, it only proves he'll take less damage than Naruto took.








I always thought it was a Mokuton, not trying to be lame, but I meant for him to have it here :|

Lol, then we'll just say he has it then.



It would have played a large part, there's no way that individual alliance attacks like or the chakra provived by the Nine Tails is as strong as PS's blades either. Since there's nothing to suggest that its on that level, or that the tails are. Especially when weak shockwaves no where near PS's level from Hinata and Hiashi can repel them.
That's based on nothing. Fact is, that phoenix has better feats than PS. Feats is what puts it on another level. Feats let it cut the tails that withstood it's own Bijuu Dama. Feats let it cut the same tails that took Hachibi's Bijuu Dama plus a bunch of other attacks from the alliance on steroids.

Repel=/=Damage. So that point isn't even relevant.



Nagato couldn't restrain the his target before he used it either, he also said he would enlarge and seemed confident that it wouldn't have been a problem and that he mearly underestimated the Nine Tails.
Point.




He can use Preta Path to take Kurama's chakra and enhance its strength even farther.

That's only going to convert it to his own. Not make his own techniques stronger. Did Nagato's techs get stronger when he absorbed Hachibi's chakra? Nope. He only healed.

Madara's CT would be infinetly stronger than Nagato's, on top of being able ot further restrain his target and weaken it before sealing it up. V1 Juubi was being held down by mear concrete for a long time, no way its getting out of CT when its restrained and weakend. V2 is a bit harder due to increased strength and size, but nothing suggest that its physical strength increased much.

Restrain it with what? Myojinmon? Once he uses CT, Juubi will rise in the air and Myojinmon will become completely useless when it comes to restraining the Juubi.

And no. Juubi wasn't held down. It was gathering power to transform.

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There's nothing to suggest Madara can make a CT strong enough to hold the Juubi. All you have going for you is, "it's much stronger than Nagato's", even though Nagato caps out at Half Kyuubi, let alone Full Kyuubi, or V1 Juubi who is FAR stronger than Full Kyuubi, and then V2 Juubi who is even stronger.

@bold: Except for the fact that it completely dwarfs it's first version. Lmao.





Madara has Hagromo's Chakra, so the only real difference is in the amount. That's why the Sage is stronger, and its not to the degree you make it out to be. JJ Hagromo could be considered a lot stronger than Madara, but no non-Jin
No. Absolutely not.

JJ Hagormo >> Hagormo (JJ Hagromo is at least 2x stronger than Non-Jin Hagomro)
Agreed.

JJ Madara > Hagromo (posseses a smaller quanity of Hagromo's Chakra, on top of having the Juubi which is around Hagromo level)
Uh, no. JJ Madara w/ one eye was stated to be approaching Hagoromo's level, and this is without the Juubi. So getting the other eye would put him around the level of Hagoromo w/o the Juubi.

Hagromo >= 2R SM Madara (Madara's has the quality of Hagromo but has much less of his Chakra, so Hagromo has a decent lead on him but only because of how much longer he can fight and can use much stronger jutsu with more ease)

Absolutely not. Hagoromo, w/o the Juubi, gave Naruto and Sasuke half his powers, and they were thrashing JJ Madara, and JJ Madara>Double Rinnegan Sage Mode Madara.

JJ Hagromo (10) > 2R JJ Madara (9) > 1R JJ Madara (6) > Hagromo (5) >= 2R SM Madara (4)

More like:

JJ Hagoromo>Hagoromo>=JJ Madara w/ both eyes.
 

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Once again, having the same Chakra as someone doesn't equate to having the same strength. Naruto and Sasuke have had Ashura and Indra's Chakra all along. So why havn't they been throwing Multi-Country busters the whole time? Its because you still have to improve the strength of it, certain Chakra types are just naturally more potent from being closer to the progenitor Chakra: Kaguya.

*Edit: ^ + KG's already shit on this lul​
 

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People think Juubi is small like PS or Kurama. Juubi actually same high as Shinsuusenju.

And she made Madara look like ant infront of him.

Limbo will do nothing serious to Juubi
PS will have a hard time with Juubi
CT will do nothing serious to Juubi
 

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This is rather pointless, since he just seals it. Or controls it's mind. Or just seals it. Have i mentioned sealing it yet?
 
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