2R Madara vs Juubi

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Conditions: Madara has both of his Rinnegan and Hashirama's Sage Mode, he gets all of Hashirama's Mokuton feats as well due to the bump in chakra from Rinnegan.
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Location: Madara vs Bijuu
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S1: V1 Juubi. The one that Naruto, Bee, Kakashi, and Gai fought
S2: V2 Juubi. The one that Naruto and the Alliance fougth, after it evolved
S3: V2 Juubi (Pseudo-Complete). The Juubi Madara had after he took the Hachibi and Half of The Kyuubi
S4: Prime Juubi. The one Hagromo and Hamura fought
 

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Madara loses all scenario's, the last 3 are god stomps and the first is a Low-Mid Diff.

Madara's doesn't get as big a boost like most people think he does. Hagromo's statement simply means that Madara has the same Chakra he has since he's merged Ashura and Indra's chakra, that doesn't mean the strength of the chakra is the same. Granted his Susano'O should be stronger than normal here, and even more so than when he fought the Biju. Since he gets more chakra from both eye's according to Obito's statement about him getting a power up from the Rinnegan.​
 

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This is what happens

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Prime Juubi is a God Stomp. It has the Chakra of everything and everybody on the planet.

Edit: Then Again Madara can just seal the Juubi inside him for the first Three Scenario's.
 

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I seriously doubt Madara has what it takes to stop the Juubi considering most of his arsenal is 100% useless and he has no counter for a Juubidama.
 

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He gets kicked in all scenarios.
 

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Yes I think he gets kicked in the first three scenarios...

... In the last scenario :leaf:

Juubi one shots
 

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He seals the juubi inside of him...... like he did with 1 rinnegan.
 

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When did it let him do that?
It was right up to him, staring at him, and waited to be absorbed. Once absorbed, it did nothing to fight back like it did with Obito. Considering Kaguya was in control of the Juubi and how it did not do a thing to prevent its own absorption, safe to say it wanted to be absorbed.

The Juubi doesn't let people become its jinchuriki.. You are probably talking about the God Tree

Ok.
 

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It was right up to him, staring at him, and waited to be absorbed. Once absorbed, it did nothing to fight back like it did with Obito. Considering Kaguya was in control of the Juubi and how it did not do a thing to prevent its own absorption, safe to say it wanted to be absorbed.



Ok.

No, Madara sealed the juubi (when he put all of the tailed beasts inside the gedo mazo) inside of himself first, and then absorbed the god tree that was summoned by Obito (that had kaguya's will).
 
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All of you are delusional. The Last one may be a stomp, but the second 2 are debateable. Madara wins the first

In the first scenario, Madara's Susano'O should be able to tank the laser Bijudama. Considering Naruto's tails did the same. It could also be avoided, considering that Edo Hashirama (weaker than VOTE Hashirama) was able to restrain the the V2 Juubi with deity gates. If its a V2 Juubi using a bomb style Juubidama, then Wood Dragon or Golem can restrain the head and force it to redirect.

With the Juubi restrained, Madara can attack it with his Susano'O formed with Sage of Six Paths Chakra. Its tails were sliced by an alliance enhanced Rasenshruiken, so a Sage Chakra PS dices them up.

With the Sage of Six Paths Chakra he can create a Chibaku Tensei large enough to seal up the Juubi
 

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All of you are delusional. The Last one may be a stomp, but the second 2 are debateable. Madara wins the first

In the first scenario, Madara's Susano'O should be able to tank the laser Bijudama. Considering Naruto's tails did the same.
Lol, the second two are absolutely not debatable. You are delusional if you think otherwise.

Yeah, Naruto did the same, with massive damage to his tails. Madara can take 1 Juubi Laser, but several uses of them puts him in the ground, and he can't even do any serious damage to the Juubi during this time period, so being able to take it's attacks for awhile doesn't help.


It could also be avoided, considering that Edo Hashirama (weaker than VOTE Hashirama) was able to restrain the the V2 Juubi with deity gates. If its a V2 Juubi using a bomb style Juubidama, then Wood Dragon or Golem can restrain the head and force it to redirect.
Lol, you can't be serious. If V2 Juubi uses a bomb style Juubidama, Mokuryu is foddered just like it was against a weaker Bijuu, and the Golem is fodderized too. It wouldn't get close enough to redirect the Juubi's Bijuu Dama anyway, not when the Juubi can block it's path with it's tails.

With the Juubi restrained, Madara can attack it with his Susano'O formed with Sage of Six Paths Chakra. Its tails were sliced by an alliance enhanced Rasenshruiken, so a Sage Chakra PS dices them up.
Um. FRS never cut the Juubi's tails. The alliance's chakra cloak phoenix cut them. Zero proof that Madara can do the same.

With the Sage of Six Paths Chakra he can create a Chibaku Tensei large enough to seal up the Juubi

Lol.

I hope you aren't serious. Manga has made it clear that you need Rikudo-Chibaku Tensei if you want to seal the Juubi. Not to mention you have zero evidence that Madara's Chibaku Tensei is strong enough to contain the Juubi w/ just his Rinnegan and Hashirama's Sage Mode buffing his power.
 
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Yeah, Naruto did the same, with massive damage to his tails. Madara can take 1 Juubi Laser, but several uses of them puts him in the ground, and he can't even do any serious damage to the Juubi during this time period, so being able to take it's attacks for awhile doesn't help.

How do you know he could only take one? Juubito was able to obliterate Naruto's avatar after it was buffed by Nature energy with a drop slam, an attack that Sasuke tanked with a weaker version of Susano'O than PS. Which he can only form with a weaker version of Indra's chakra than EMS Madara. That same Madara's PS tanked 11 Bijudama and half of Shinsuusenju's force, now were adding Hashirama's Ashura chakra to that and Senjutsu giving him Hagromo's chakra. Then add another Senjutsu buff on top of that.

The V1 Juubi's Bijudama isn't even scratching 2R Madara's PS



Lol, you can't be serious. If V2 Juubi uses a bomb style Juubidama, Mokuryu is foddered just like it was against a weaker Bijuu, and the Golem is fodderized too. It wouldn't get close enough to redirect the Juubi's Bijuu Dama anyway, not when the Juubi can block it's path with it's tails.

That's if the Juubi can form it fast enough after being slamed into the ground by deity gates. Deity gates wouldn't be able to block its path either, when Madara's slicing them off and they're being restrained by deity gates.


Um. FRS never cut the Juubi's tails. The alliance's chakra cloak phoenix cut them. Zero proof that Madara can do the same.

Which was spearheaded by Naruto using FRS, and a regular sized one at that. I fail to see how the alliance would have added that much power to bring FRS up to even a normal PS's slash, and the one were talking about is far stronger than even that.



Lol.

I hope you aren't serious. Manga has made it clear that you need Rikudo-Chibaku Tensei if you want to seal the Juubi. Not to mention you have zero evidence that Madara's Chibaku Tensei is strong enough to contain the Juubi w/ just his Rinnegan and Hashirama's Sage Mode buffing his power.

Nagato already made a Kyuubi sized one with transplanted Rinnegan, and the first form Juubi was only in the 2x range of Naruto's avatar.

Madara is their original owner, bringing out their full potential by having both, has Ashura's chakra, Indra's Chakra, Hagromo's chakra by extension, Sage Mode buff, and logically summon the Kyuubi (in the first two scenario's) and buff his chakra strength even more.

Madara has Hagromo's chakra, so technically hes using a Rikudo-Chibaku Tensei. I fail to see how Hagromo's would be different than Madara's. Madara could also use Chibaku Tensei on the ground around the Juubi after its been restrained by deity gates, meaning it won't be able to resist while its being sealed.
 

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How do you know he could only take one?

Didn't say he could only take one.

Juubito was able to obliterate Naruto's avatar after it was buffed by Nature energy with a drop slam, an attack that Sasuke tanked with a weaker version of Susano'O than PS. Which he can only form with a weaker version of Indra's chakra than EMS Madara. That same Madara's PS tanked 11 Bijudama and half of Shinsuusenju's force, now were adding Hashirama's Ashura chakra to that and Senjutsu giving him Hagromo's chakra. Then add another Senjutsu buff on top of that.
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Wrong. Madara's PS only took Chojo Kebutsu. Not sure why or where you are getting the Bijuu Dama from, but it's definitely not the manga. Zero proof on your part that Hashirama's chakra enhances his Susanoo, and he only gets one Senjutsu buff, from Hashirama's Senjutsu, and then there's the fact that you don't know how much Rikudo's Chakra will buff his Susanoo. Zero proof on your part that it'll do anything remotely similar to what Sasuke got.

The V1 Juubi's Bijudama isn't even scratching 2R Madara's PS

Lol, yeah...no. Zero evidence to back this claim. Zero valid evidence anyway.





That's if the Juubi can form it fast enough after being slamed into the ground by deity gates. Deity gates wouldn't be able to block its path either, when Madara's slicing them off and they're being restrained by deity gates.
That's Hashirama's Jutsu, not Madara's. And no, it's not Mokuton, so there's no reason he'd get it.


Which was spearheaded by Naruto using FRS, and a regular sized one at that. I fail to see how the alliance would have added that much power to bring FRS up to even a normal PS's slash, and the one were talking about is far stronger than even that.
Doesn't matter if it was spearheaded by an FRS. The power came from the phoenix. The wings of said phoenix cut the tails too, are we going to say FRS had a part in that despite it not even making contact with those parts of the tail?



Nagato already made a Kyuubi sized one with transplanted Rinnegan, and the first form Juubi was only in the 2x range of Naruto's avatar.
Nagato made one that dwarfed Mountain Ranges, and Kyuubi broke out at half power, with 8 tails. The CT being bigger than the Bijuu doesn't mean that the Bijuu will be trapped, otherwise Nagato would've trapped Kurama.

Madara is their original owner, bringing out their full potential by having both, has Ashura's chakra, Indra's Chakra, Hagromo's chakra by extension, Sage Mode buff, and logically summon the Kyuubi (in the first two scenario's) and buff his chakra strength even more.

Summoning Kurama isn't going to make his chakra stronger, a Sage Mode buff on top of the buff the Rinnegan gives him isn't putting his CT on the level where it can trap the Juubi. Nagato failing to trap an infinitely weaker Bijuu isn't really evidence helping your claim.

Madara has Hagromo's chakra, so technically hes using a Rikudo-Chibaku Tensei. I fail to see how Hagromo's would be different than Madara's. Madara could also use Chibaku Tensei on the ground around the Juubi after its been restrained by deity gates, meaning it won't be able to resist while its being sealed.

Rikudo Chibaku Tensei is a jutsu used by those who have Hagoromo's Sun and Moon marks. There is no "technical" Rikudo Chibaku Tensei. Either you have it, or you don't.

@bold: Probably has something to do with the fact that:

1. Hagoromo>>>>>Madara.

2. Rikudo Chibaku Tensei>Normal Chibaku Tensei.

Read above. Madara doesn't have Myojinmon.
 
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Wrong. Madara's PS only took Chojo Kebutsu. Not sure why or where you are getting the Bijuu Dama from, but it's definitely not the manga.

He was in there AoE, hence he caught the damage. Don't give me any nonsensical counter like "They clashed so they only take half the damage each"

Zero proof on your part that Hashirama's chakra enhances his Susanoo

Hashirama's chakra "enhancing it" should be evident because it made his Chakra stronger. He's now forming the Susano'O with Hagromo's chakra, something freaking Sage himself said Madara has. Don't tell me all Susano'O have the same durability either, because we both know that its determined by the strength of the chakra.

and he only gets one Senjutsu buff, from Hashirama's Senjutsu, and then there's the fact that you don't know how much Rikudo's Chakra will buff his Susanoo. Zero proof on your part that it'll do anything remotely similar to what Sasuke got.

Hagromo's chakra is Hagromo's chakra, they're of the same quality. A small portion that Obito got from Madara was enough push Kakashi into overdrive, forming an Indra style PS with MS. Madara was even forming a much stronger Susano'O without eye's than when he was an Edo



Lol, yeah...no. Zero evidence to back this claim. Zero valid evidence anyway.
Since the tails canceled out the Juubidama

V1 Juubidama = Naruto's Kurama Durability << BSM Naruto's Kurama Durability = EMS Sasuke's Senjutsu Kurama Chakra V3 Susano'O <<<< PS formed with Hagormo's Chakra and added Senjutsu buff






That's Hashirama's Jutsu, not Madara's. And no, it's not Mokuton, so there's no reason he'd get it.

I always thought it was a Mokuton, not trying to be lame, but I meant for him to have it here :|



Doesn't matter if it was spearheaded by an FRS. The power came from the phoenix. The wings of said phoenix cut the tails too, are we going to say FRS had a part in that despite it not even making contact with those parts of the tail?

It would have played a large part, there's no way that individual alliance attacks like or the chakra provived by the Nine Tails is as strong as PS's blades either. Since there's nothing to suggest that its on that level, or that the tails are. Especially when weak shockwaves no where near PS's level from Hinata and Hiashi can repel them.




Nagato made one that dwarfed Mountain Ranges, and Kyuubi broke out at half power, with 8 tails. The CT being bigger than the Bijuu doesn't mean that the Bijuu will be trapped, otherwise Nagato would've trapped Kurama.

Nagato couldn't restrain the his target before he used it either, he also said he would enlarge and seemed confident that it wouldn't have been a problem and that he mearly underestimated the Nine Tails.



Summoning Kurama isn't going to make his chakra stronger, a Sage Mode buff on top of the buff the Rinnegan gives him isn't putting his CT on the level where it can trap the Juubi. Nagato failing to trap an infinitely weaker Bijuu isn't really evidence helping your claim.

He can use Preta Path to take Kurama's chakra and enhance its strength even farther.

Madara's CT would be infinetly stronger than Nagato's, on top of being able ot further restrain his target and weaken it before sealing it up. V1 Juubi was being held down by mear concrete for a long time, no way its getting out of CT when its restrained and weakend. V2 is a bit harder due to increased strength and size, but nothing suggest that its physical strength increased much.



Rikudo Chibaku Tensei is a jutsu used by those who have Hagoromo's Sun and Moon marks. There is no "technical" Rikudo Chibaku Tensei. Either you have it, or you don't.

@bold: Probably has something to do with the fact that:

1. Hagoromo>>>>>Madara.

2. Rikudo Chibaku Tensei>Normal Chibaku Tensei.

Read above. Madara doesn't have Myojinmon.

Madara has Hagromo's Chakra, so the only real difference is in the amount. That's why the Sage is stronger, and its not to the degree you make it out to be. JJ Hagromo could be considered a lot stronger than Madara, but no non-Jin

JJ Hagormo >> Hagormo (JJ Hagromo is at least 2x stronger than Non-Jin Hagomro)
JJ Madara > Hagromo (posseses a smaller quanity of Hagromo's Chakra, on top of having the Juubi which is around Hagromo level)
Hagromo >= 2R SM Madara (Madara's has the quality of Hagromo but has much less of his Chakra, so Hagromo has a decent lead on him but only because of how much longer he can fight and can use much stronger jutsu with more ease)

JJ Hagromo (10) > 2R JJ Madara (9) > 1R JJ Madara (6) > Hagromo (5) >= 2R SM Madara (4)
 

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He just becomes the jin lol redundant neg diff...
 

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#1 and #2 situation-Madara lost but mid diff

#3 situation-Madara lost low diff

#4 situation-Madara lost neg diff
 

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madara might beat v1 juubi very high diff but everything else either low diffs or neg diffs him.
 
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