2nd Mizukage v.s Kakuzu, Sasori, Kisame, Hidan & Deidara

[ItachiStyle]

How would the 2nd Mizukage do against these guys? I'm taking the 2nd Mizukage pretty comfortably, but am interested in the views of others. I've picked these guys because I find alot of them to be desperately overrated.

 

[Turson]

Basically, we have one Kage level shinobi versus three Kage level shinobis + one high Jounin level shinobi.

I really dont see Mizukage winning this, despite his clam Genjutsu. Akatsuki takes this with low/mid difficulty, Deidaras C4 would be a key to victory.

 

[ItachiStyle]

How are Akatsuki going to hit what they can't see? They'll end up killing each other. Never mind that alot of their attacks will be useless against someone with the hydrification technique.

 

[Turson]

How are Akatsuki going to hit what they can't see?

The answer is simple - C4. Deidara dont have to see him in order to kill him with this technique.

 

[ItachiStyle]

C4 is not an omnidirectional attack. The Mizukage can use his battlefield wide genjutsu to make him THINK he's hitting him, when in reality he just finished off the other Ataksuki members. Well done Deidara.

 

[Turson]

C4 is not an omnidirectional attack.

Yes, it is. It spreads in all directions, it bahaves just like poison gas. Moreover, Mizukage has no info on that technique and has no Doujutsu to see it.

 

[ItachiStyle]

What? No it doesn't. Do you know what Omnidirectional means?

 

[Turson]

What? No it doesn't. Do you know what Omnidirectional means?

Yeah, that it spread in all directions at once. And C4 works just like that.

 

[ItachiStyle]

C4 doesn't do that.

Remember, Deidara has no info on the genjutsu either, and usually the Mizukage seems to be miles away, so it's not like you can just fire techniques and hope to get lucky, in reality the Mizukage isn't even on the frickin battlefield, let alone in the specific path you're aiming C4, which the Mizukage will almost certainly ensure is aimed at your team mates (thinking it is him, which isn't going to be where he is standing).

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

You should add the rest of the Akatsuki too to make this battle even more unbalanced....

 

[Turson]

C4 doesn't do that.

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-> Yes, it does.

in reality the Mizukage isn't even on the frickin battlefield

What? Mizukage was on the battlefield for the whole time, he was just hiding himself with clam Genjutsu.

 

[ItachiStyle]

Ok, first things first.
Omnidirectional means "in all directions at once". Now, we already know C4 isn't omnidirectional, because all Sasuke had to do in order to dodge it was hover above the tree line. Omnidirectional would be something like Danzo's death seal, which went (literally) in all directions (though it was limited in range, it was definitely omnidirectional). This does not do that. It aims in a certain area, then "spreads out" (that's not my quote, it's taken from the link you've used as evidence). So while it covers a wide area, it is not by any means a sure hit. We don't even know if it goes 360 degrees.

Secondly, a "battlefield" is a very large place. The Mizukage appears to be nowhere near where his mirages are, so while he's "on the battlefield" I have no confidence at all that he's in the (undefined) range of C4.

 

[Turson]

Omnidirectional means "in all directions at once". Now, we already know C4 isn't omnidirectional, because all Sasuke had to do in order to dodge it was hover above the tree line.

No, Sasuke had Sharingan, so he was able to see cloud of microbombs and avoid it. Mizukage has no Doujutsu, he cant see it.

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-> This how Sasuke saw C4 gas. It IS omnidirectional.

Secondly, a "battlefield" is a very large place.

So is C4 range. You could call it a weapon of mass destruction.

 

[ItachiStyle]

C4 range is apparently not that big, given Sasuke can just hover over it, and the Mizukage might not even be near Deidara. Heck, Mizukage might have various physical objects between them (rocks, trees, mountains). It's far too optimistic to assume Deidara is going to hit him. Then remember, a) he's going to kill the rest of his team in order to pull this off, and b) the Mizukage will have the rest of them try to kill him the moment he tries to get out of range. Also, since his body is able to hydrify, he might just be able to regenerate from partial damage, which is the best Deidara can hope for (assuming he uses a suicide technique). I mean, Mizukage has his own clone that explodes when it expands... what exactly do you think his reaction will be when Deidara does the exact same thing, and then moves to get out of range on a flying summons? Probably "gee, that thing is likly to explode, better get his team mates to kill him before he can set it off, and put some more distance between us".

 

[Turson]

C4 range is apparently not that big, given Sasuke can just hover over it

Its range is great, its just that its easy to avoid it if you can see it. Mizukage has no ability.

It's far too optimistic to assume Deidara is going to hit him.

As long as he will be on the battlefield it will obviously reach him. Thats why Deidara created C4 in the first place. Deidara knew that Itachi can hide himself with Genjutsus, so he wanted a technique that will reach him no matter what. Aside from that, he trained his left eye, so it was imprevious to visual Genjutsus.

Also, since his body is able to hydrify, he might just be able to regenerate from partial damage, which is the best Deidara

Hydryfication =/= regeneration. Kabuto couldnt regenerate his horn when Itachi cut it off.

 

[ItachiStyle]

Gah. My reply was just deleted. Ok, from the top:
1) The range is not omnidirectional. It's substantial, but not omnidirectional.
2) You'll notice that only breathing creatures die from it, because it's like a pollen they inhale... trees are totally unaffected for instance... so, this raises some important points; 1) does someone who turns his body into water during fights need to breathe? Probably not, in which case he's apparently unaffected for some reason (if we go off Tobi's explanation, and the background damage seen). 2) If Mizukage is doing his usual routine, and hiding behind a mountain or something, won't the pollen all be buffeted off it, just like the wind is? Mizukage might be able to dodge entirely, and could be a long way from the pollen.
3) Mizukage will know to dodge far away if he can (though he'll probably be expecting an explosion) because it's similar to his own clone exploding tech, so he's hardly going to be standing around waiting for it to hit him. For all we know he'll be using a basic jutsu to hide underground, or in a nearby cave, or inside his clam or whatever.
4) As soon as the fight begins, his team mates will try to kill him. This will make it hard for Deidara to use C4. They will continue their attempts as he tries to get distance with them, since they will think he's the mizukage.
5) To do this, he has to kill everyone else as well... I don't recall specifying bloodlust mode turned on. You may as well eliminate his team, since he'll be killing them all to do this.
6) Deidara trained his eye to "see through the sharigan... especially it's illusions". That doesn't mean he is immune to all genjutsu, especially not a mirage which doesn't even require eye contact to activate or function. A mirage that is so powerful, the sensors who found the Mizukage after it was dispelled, could not find him while it was activated. And just how confident is Deidara supposed to be that he's found the Mizukage, or that he's a safe distance from the C4, when he's trapped in a battlefield wide genjutsu that can distort his reality? Again, this seems very suicidal of him to try.

Forget Deidara for a minute... how do you imagine everyone else is going to fare? Not well I'm guessing.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

actually he was above the area in which he cast his genjutsu. but still in the area. c4 or waterdome ends this

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

As powerful as Nidaime Mizukage is team Akatsuki is too much for him. Akatsuki win low diff.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

C4 is not an omnidirectional attack. The Mizukage can use his battlefield wide genjutsu to make him THINK he's hitting him

deidara doesnt have to rely on finding mizukage. the real mizukage is still there unless he feels like revealing himself to kisame's sensing. mizukage has to breathe. when he does, he disintegrates.

Kabuto couldnt regenerate his horn when Itachi cut it off.

wasnt in liquid mode which is what it is. its not the original hozuki jutsu

and besides your OP lacks conditions. how do we know trollkage has time to even summon a clam and release the mist? it was fodders attacking him in 552.

 

[ItachiStyle]

deidara doesnt have to rely on finding mizukage. the real mizukage is still there unless he feels like revealing himself to kisame's sensing. mizukage has to breathe. when he does, he disintegrates.

wasnt in liquid mode which is what it is. its not the original hozuki jutsu

Another 3 statements, another 3 speculative theories not supported in the manga. None of those things is evidenced in the manga. There is no evidence a hydrified person needs to breath, there is no evidence he will have to reveal himself to Kisame's sensing (or that Kisame's sensory abilities will work, given the genjutsu was sensor proof in the manga), and there is no evidence his hydrification is different to "the original" Hozuki hydrification (whatever that is, since you made it up whole clothe). It's fun debating with you. Maybe try a post where you don't invent stuff though?