2nd hokage vs itach
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Naruto N. Uzumaki
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i agree but then agin the 2nd was the 3rd teacher and might known his fighting style but he sacrifice himself cuss that just what the will of fire is and the 3rd was the future
KiriyuSenju
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Where does Kisame have better feats then Tobirama. Tobirama was the best suiton manipulator, and is stated. Everything you say is based on what you have seen in the manga which is from the current era. So you exclude all past because it is not shown in this era which they do not live? Please do try find reference to Kisame having better skills in the water element. Of what i have seen it is not praised at the same level as Tobirama did.
Excluding any past makes ur arguement most sad.
lets analyse there feats in categories. ill just show you how different they are
Taijutsu
Tobirama- was able to fist fight with hiruzen in his old age with his brother. as well as some weapon throwing nice one.
Itachi- was able to dispatch 3 elite uchiha from the police force in seconds. was able to taijutsu blitzed kurenai spar on par with KM naruto while evading bee. beat the crap out of sasuke on multiple occasions. was sucessfully able to evade bee using his 7 swords dance
was able to throw shuriken so fast that he could actually wave handseals for a shadow clone while doing so. was shown in flashback profiecent with using a sword. also using shuriken managed to strike find all blind spots of the rinegans statue and the cameleon.
Genjutsu
Tobirama no feats here.
Itachi with genjutsu he was able to reverse the affects of almost any genjutsu with demonic illusion heaven earth mirror change with this he can copy genjutsu by analyse them and than reverse them back on his oponent he was able to use his genjutsu to paralyse his openents and make it almost impossible for them to break out.
he could also do this by pointing a finger at his target wich requires litterally no prep time or formation of handseals.. he could confuse his openents by making them think they attacked a dummy that will deisperse into crows both shikaku and ao stated he was the only person who could control multiple targets from a long distance using genjutsu, mwhile some of his genjutsu is used as a distraction and to confuse or paralyse.
his best genjutsu tsukuyomi had the ability to torture in a world where itachi controls space and time.
ninjustsu
Tobirama has hailed as the best water user ever he could creat water our of nothing. he invented edo tensie a technique that itachi broke out off.
and could use a space time justu that know one knows jack shit about how it works. and it most likely isn't very considering that he died against ninjas know one knows anything about. and considering oro never used this tech while fighting hiruzen.
itachi like many uchiha itachi could use fire style attacks and he was seen useing water attacks and his best non sharingan technique is the exploding shadow clone an A rank that with the correct speed can catch an openent off gaurd.
his best feats here are amerterasu an attack that is seemingly instantanious that no water technique can extinguish and the yata mirror and totsuka sword a sword that seals away a user permantly and a sheild that no attack can ever break do to the shield nature. also yata masamata which itachi regards as the best long range attack in his arsenal.
i think its obvious who has the better feats.
also somethings to consider
-tobirama created IWR ironically fell victim to this technique.
-itachi was the only person to escape this technique
-tobirama was manipulated by orochimaru
-itachi defeated orochimaru on two seperate ocassions. both in under a minute.
-tobirama in order to shut the evil uchiha up created the uchiha police force
-itachi gave the final shut up to the uchiha clan by killing them all off
-tobirama died in a war even with all his exp
-Itachi prevented a war at the age of 13
Taijutsu
Tobirama- was able to fist fight with hiruzen in his old age with his brother. as well as some weapon throwing nice one.
Itachi- was able to dispatch 3 elite uchiha from the police force in seconds. was able to taijutsu blitzed kurenai spar on par with KM naruto while evading bee. beat the crap out of sasuke on multiple occasions. was sucessfully able to evade bee using his 7 swords dance
was able to throw shuriken so fast that he could actually wave handseals for a shadow clone while doing so. was shown in flashback profiecent with using a sword. also using shuriken managed to strike find all blind spots of the rinegans statue and the cameleon.
Genjutsu
Tobirama no feats here.
Itachi with genjutsu he was able to reverse the affects of almost any genjutsu with demonic illusion heaven earth mirror change with this he can copy genjutsu by analyse them and than reverse them back on his oponent he was able to use his genjutsu to paralyse his openents and make it almost impossible for them to break out.
he could also do this by pointing a finger at his target wich requires litterally no prep time or formation of handseals.. he could confuse his openents by making them think they attacked a dummy that will deisperse into crows both shikaku and ao stated he was the only person who could control multiple targets from a long distance using genjutsu, mwhile some of his genjutsu is used as a distraction and to confuse or paralyse.
his best genjutsu tsukuyomi had the ability to torture in a world where itachi controls space and time.
ninjustsu
Tobirama has hailed as the best water user ever he could creat water our of nothing. he invented edo tensie a technique that itachi broke out off.
and could use a space time justu that know one knows jack shit about how it works. and it most likely isn't very considering that he died against ninjas know one knows anything about. and considering oro never used this tech while fighting hiruzen.
itachi like many uchiha itachi could use fire style attacks and he was seen useing water attacks and his best non sharingan technique is the exploding shadow clone an A rank that with the correct speed can catch an openent off gaurd.
his best feats here are amerterasu an attack that is seemingly instantanious that no water technique can extinguish and the yata mirror and totsuka sword a sword that seals away a user permantly and a sheild that no attack can ever break do to the shield nature. also yata masamata which itachi regards as the best long range attack in his arsenal.
i think its obvious who has the better feats.
also somethings to consider
-tobirama created IWR ironically fell victim to this technique.
-itachi was the only person to escape this technique
-tobirama was manipulated by orochimaru
-itachi defeated orochimaru on two seperate ocassions. both in under a minute.
-tobirama in order to shut the evil uchiha up created the uchiha police force
-itachi gave the final shut up to the uchiha clan by killing them all off
-tobirama died in a war even with all his exp
-Itachi prevented a war at the age of 13
Naruto N. Uzumaki
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this coming from an uchiha fanboy? how was tobirama manipulated by oro? oro wasnt even an ninja when he died
tobirama didn't wanna kill the uchiha so he gave them a power that he could ontrol them with
tobirama died so the future hokage could live somthing no uchiha would do that
tobirama became oros bitch in edo form.
yes that true he did control those bastards by giving them power itachi had to clean up the mess tobirama made.
tobirama died edo off. itachi killed his clan to protect everyone in the leaf. including the hokage the 2nd chose.
Naruto N. Uzumaki
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and kabuto made nagto itachi madara 5 kages most of the akatsuki his bit@ch and danzo and the 2 other elder made itachi there bit@ch
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do you know what it means to break out it mean that its impossible for kabuto to end it but which is false the only reason itachi alive is because kabuto has madara out to deal with him and no point in ending the iwr
