1RSM Madara vs EMS Sasuke

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And I'm just here wondering how limbo made Sasuke unable to move a muscle. Sasuke couldn't even grip his sword. Unless Limbo somehow became like a covering sheet surrounding Sasuke's entire body. :lol
Look back at the scans shown here and you'll see the difference in arm position upon looking at Sasuke before and after he was stabbed. It's the same here with Sakura in mid air for a period of time
 

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Look back at the scans shown here and you'll see the difference in arm position upon looking at Sasuke before and after he was stabbed. It's the same here with Sakura in mid air for a period of time
And how does this change anything? She said that she can't reach him, she didn't say she can't move.
 

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And how does this change anything? She said that she can't reach him, she didn't say she can't move.
Please first of all, there's focus around Madara's eyes and as soon as that happens, Sasuke drops his sword .

Main point I was passing across to you Sakura was in mid air for 2 pages in the same spot? That makes sense to you unless we say she was being held by the rod which kept her there? Even though she was attempting a flying punch but a rod can stop her like that from moving an inch further? Not to mention even when Madara left the rod, she was still hanging.

Let's try arguing Limbo wasn't used against Sasuke.
 

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Please first of all, there's focus around Madara's eyes and as soon as that happens, Sasuke drops his sword .

Main point I was passing across to you Sakura was in mid air for 2 pages in the same spot? That makes sense to you unless we say she was being held by the rod which kept her there? Even though she was attempting a flying punch but a rod can stop her like that from moving an inch further? Not to mention even when Madara left the rod, she was still hanging.

Let's try arguing Limbo wasn't used against Sasuke.
The situation with Sakura is simple really.
1. Sakura didn't mention anything about not being able to move.
2. The rod did stop Sakura from being able to move.
As in your argument, why would madara stop Sakura's body movement, but let her arms be free? If what you're saying is true, and the rod didn't stop her movement, but the limbo did, why would limbo not restrict Sakura's arms, and actually let her throw a punch? It doesn't make sense.
The character reactions make it very easy to understand as well.

Here you see Madara impaling Sakura, and then Sakura throwing a punch. Only then Madara uses limbo to block her punch

Then a page later we see the strike marks from Naruto and Sasuke in front of Sakura, where Madara previously used limbo to block her punch.


I suggest you change your argument because nothing indicates Sakura was held in place by limbo
 

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The situation with Sakura is simple really.
1. Sakura didn't mention anything about not being able to move.
2. The rod did stop Sakura from being able to move.
As in your argument, why would madara stop Sakura's body movement, but let her arms be free? If what you're saying is true, and the rod didn't stop her movement, but the limbo did, why would limbo not restrict Sakura's arms, and actually let her throw a punch? It doesn't make sense.
The character reactions make it very easy to understand as well.

Here you see Madara impaling Sakura, and then Sakura throwing a punch. Only then Madara uses limbo to block her punch

Then a page later we see the strike marks from Naruto and Sasuke in front of Sakura, where Madara previously used limbo to block her punch.


I suggest you change your argument because nothing indicates Sakura was held in place by limbo
Madara had one in front of him already which prevented Sakura's punch so the question "Why did he allow Sakura still punch" is irrelevant when I can question you why didn't he do what he did to Sasuke according to you which didn't involve Limbo but held him in a position where he couldn't move an inch smh. That makes your argument irrelevant...Sasuke's arms before the stab , then Sasuke's arm position should have never changed after the stab and he's still hanging the same way. That clearly shows Sasuke being able to change positions so what freezing technique are we speaking of? If the technique was different in the sense that it freezes his whole body, then he should haven never changed position regardless seeing as the thing was still at play even when he was stabbed. Enough.

Alos, you casually ignored my question which involved Madara leaving the rod and Sakura still hanging. Even when Naruto took her away, you can see the rod still in her chest being dragged out by him and I highly doubt that such would happen if Madara was the one holding the rod as it would still be in Madara's hands if she was dragged away from it. Even his hand position here(bottom)

Regardless of this, it's factual that Limbo was used against Sasuke. Stop suggesting something else.
 
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Madara had one in front of him already which prevented Sakura's punch so the question "Why did he allow Sakura still punch" is irrelevant when I can question you why didn't he do what he did to Sasuke according to you which didn't involve Limbo but held him in a position where he couldn't move an inch smh. That makes your argument irrelevant...Sasuke's arms before the stab , then Sasuke arm position should have never changed after the stab and he's still hanging the same way. That clearly shows Sasuke being able to change positions so what freezing technique are we speaking of? If the technique was different in the sense that it freezes his whole body, then he should haven never changed position regardless seeing as the thing was still at play even when he was stabbed. Enough.

Alos, you casually ignored my question which involved Madara leaving the rod and Sakura still hanging. Even when Naruto took her away, you can see the rod still in her chest being dragged out by him and I highly doubt that such would happen if Madara was the one holding the rod as it would still be in Madara's hands if she was dragged away from it. Even his hand position here(bottom)

Regardless of this, it's factual that Limbo was used against Sasuke. Stop suggesting something else.
Your example for Sasuke's hand movement holds no value because there was no reason for a force to hold Sasuke after getting stabbed as he became to weak to do anything. I questioned the same thing of whether or not it was Limbo, as it could've been something like what Kaguya used, because there was no possible way for a human to restrain the body completely (Sasuke had lines all over, even before being stabbed, meaning he was struggling), but the most likely cause is Limbo however it did it. Either way, your argument doesn't exactly support the motion.
 

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Your example for Sasuke's hand movement holds no value because there was no reason for a force to hold Sasuke after getting stabbed as he became to weak to do anything. I questioned the same thing of whether or not it was Limbo, as it could've been something like what Kaguya used, because there was no possible way for a human to restrain the body completely (Sasuke had lines all over, even before being stabbed, meaning he was struggling), but the most likely cause is Limbo however it did it. Either way, your argument doesn't exactly support the motion.
He was still up high upon being stabbed which definitely shows the force was still at play. Him getting stabbed doesn't suggest there wasn't a need especially when Madara is still holding him in that same position with a sword. If not, he should have released it at that very point rather then still leaving him so high with his own sword when he could do so with some imaginary freezing technique. Doesn't add up when you even look at how high this guy is with a sword alone. Same position and nothing exactly hinting that the technique was even released during that point. Not to mention his hand already changed in the top left and not as soon as he was stabbed.
 

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Except it can. Your reasoning for pretty much everything you are stating here amounts to zero. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to use a bit of common sense and realize that the same invisible force that Madara used to slap the Bijuu around is the same thing Madara uses literally a few moments later (with the same exact initiation, him glancing at the target) to bind Sasuke. This is the same garbage logic that people who think Limbo can use Ninjutsu use when they say Limbo can't knock down all 9 Bijuu like that.

The fact you say it being Limbo is backed by nothing (lolololol) while actually claiming that Madara used some unknown technique instead is pretty hilarious.
His point is that Limbo Madara who is just as tall as Madara, can't just hold Sasuke and not let him move mid air, unless he's levitating

I think it was limbo (obviously). I think the clone was levitating with deva path
 

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His point is that Limbo Madara who is just as tall as Madara, can't just hold Sasuke and not let him move mid air, unless he's levitating

I think it was limbo (obviously). I think the clone was levitating with deva path
I know what his points are, and it's retarded either way. Not entirely sure how it was levitating though.
 

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I know what his points are, and it's retarded either way. Not entirely sure how it was levitating though.
How would Madara restrain Sasuke like that from below him? He'd only squish his belly. Sasuke's arm clearly seem not squished to his ribcage so he's not getting hugged. His legs and arms are spread, but he still can't move them. Hard to tell how would limbo madara do that if he can't restrain all 4 extremities with two arms, if his legs are touching the ground.
 

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How would Madara restrain Sasuke like that from below him? He'd only squish his belly. Sasuke's arm clearly seem not squished to his ribcage so he's not getting hugged. His legs and arms are spread, but he still can't move them. Hard to tell how would limbo madara do that if he can't restrain all 4 extremities with two arms, if his legs are touching the ground.
Never said he wasn't floating, because he definitely was. I just don't know if he was using Deva Path or whether it's an innate ability of Limbo to be able to fly or whether RT Madara can actually fly, because he seemed to be flying toward the Bijuu when he first charged. (Madara, not his clone)
 

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Never said he wasn't floating, because he definitely was. I just don't know if he was using Deva Path or whether it's an innate ability of Limbo to be able to fly or whether RT Madara can actually fly, because he seemed to be flying toward the Bijuu when he first charged. (Madara, not his clone)
Yes. I tough yout "not entirely sure" was an invitation to argue it.

Against the bijuus Madara levitated for a while, so for me it's confirmed he can do it. I'm not of the belief that Gaara was the one keeping him up there with shukaku's jutsu (the one that restrained him).
I don't think theres another explanation bar Deva path. About the bold, i don't think limbo has abilities that the real madara doesn't have bar being invisible.
 

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Yes. I tough yout "not entirely sure" was an invitation to argue it.

Against the bijuus Madara levitated for a while, so for me it's confirmed he can do it. I'm not of the belief that Gaara was the one keeping him up there with shukaku's jutsu (the one that restrained him).
I don't think theres another explanation bar Deva path. About the bold, i don't think limbo has abilities that the real madara doesn't have bar being invisible.
Yeah, I lean back and forth from Deva and regular levitation. They both achieve the same things and Madara can do both so it doesn't matter anyway.
 

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Yeah, I lean back and forth from Deva and regular levitation. They both achieve the same things and Madara can do both so it doesn't matter anyway.
What kind of other levitation do you think he could be using? Maybe onoki's or the same that JJ's and RSM users have?
 

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Madara obviously held Sasuke in place with limbo. Mysterious, invisible force after getting his Rinnegan back? there's literally no other explanation. Madara only ever used the Deva Path for Chibaku Tensei iirc.

and Sasuke one shots with PS if Madara doesn't have access to limbo or PS here. six path techniques using one eye is nothing but speculation. Gedo Mazo gets its hide whipped. :whip:
 
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