12 thing why Orochimaru ''IS'' naruto

[Itachi Hatake]

Fail actually he didn't if anything the CM saved him, CM was eating up sasuke's chakra life force and body, get your facts right boy, and if he didn't have the CM hoding him back Naruto would be dead now, and power lvl wtf? this isn't DBZ naruto always needs the fox and lost every time, FODDER NARUTO!

cant believe you actually think thats true. He needed the CM no matter what you think. It should also be pointed out that if Naruto was going FOR THE KILL like Sasuke was, he would have died. Naruto aimed for his headband, letting him know that he can touch his headband.

 

[Sasuke082594]

cant believe you actually think thats true. He needed the CM no matter what you think. It should also be pointed out that if Naruto was going FOR THE KILL like Sasuke was, he would have died. Naruto aimed for his headband, letting him know that he can touch his headband.

Let him think that lol everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and opinions. As stupid as they are, they must be respected.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's not a double standard. Naruto isn't granted Kurama's power. He's granted his chakra. It's different. I don't know why people say double standard lol

Kurama is to Naruto as Curse Mark is to Sasuke. They're equivalent. You rule out Sasuke's victory because of something that gives him a power boost, and then say Naruto is better because of a power boost. That's why it's a double standard and why your argument is dumb.

 

[l Forgotten l]

I know, i love orochimaru :ls:, he actually is my boyfriend if you didnt know. Yea, he suppose tell the big news till sasue-gay. HE TOOK HIM FROM ME :NO:
XD

 

[Sasuke082594]

Kurama is to Naruto as Curse Mark is to Sasuke. They're equivalent. You rule out Sasuke's victory because of something that gives him a power boost, and then say Naruto is better because of a power boost. That's why it's a double standard and why your argument is dumb.

You still don't understand that Naruto actually had to work for Kurama's chakra. Naruto was fully conscious during the Kurama cloak. All Sasuke has to do is run out of chakra to activate it lol my argument isn't dumb either. It's everyone argument here comparing two different things and calling it a double standard.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You still don't understand that Naruto actually had to work for Kurama's chakra. Naruto was fully conscious during the Kurama cloak. All Sasuke has to do is run out of chakra to activate it lol

1. The same applies to Kurama's cloak. Jiraiya literally told Naruto to simply exhaust his chakra on purpose for access to Kurama's chakra.

2. Curse Mark has its own risks as well. Both Naruto and Sasuke needed to train to use these powers. They are two sides of the same coin. If you ridicule one, you have to ridicule the other. Otherwise, your argument is biased and worthless.

 

[Sasuke082594]

1. The same applies to Kurama's cloak. Jiraiya literally told Naruto to simply exhaust his chakra on purpose for access to Kurama's chakra.

2. Curse Mark has its own risks as well. Both Naruto and Sasuke needed to train to use these powers. They are two sides of the same coin. If you ridicule one, you have to ridicule the other. Otherwise, your argument is biased and worthless.

1. Part of the training Sasuke never even has had to go through with the curse mark.

2. Naruto and Sasuke may be rivals but it doesn't mean they're on the same coin. Think about what your telling me.

 

[yep]

War= Madara Uchiha

Edo = Tobirama

Naruto is Great = Sasuke/Kakashi/Jiraiya

Fodder Sasuke? uh no.. he would've easily surpassed Kakashi and would've been a great rival for Naruto xD.

but
1 we wouldn't even know that ET exist
2 Tobirama's ET is weaker than Oro's part1 ET which brought your idol back at 25% power at most (debatable) so unless Tobirama can summon 200 people who are at least high jounins it's a fodder jutsu

 

[Itachi Hatake]

It should also be noted that Sasuke did use the Curse Mark with Chidori to impale Naruto the first time. Dont give us that BS talking that Sasuke didnt want to give in to Itachi's will. He tried to kill him at the very beginning because he wanted the MS to combat Itachi, he even thought about what Itachi said when he pierced Naruto's chest. And to top it all off, he said "It's finished!" he thought he killed Naruto.

 

[jiraiya lives]

kish=naruto fools lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

1. Part of the training Sasuke never even has had to go through with the curse mark.

2. Naruto and Sasuke may be rivals but it doesn't mean they're on the same coin. Think about what your telling me.

1. Just...shut up. That was a horrible response.

2. Yes, Naruto and Sasuke are two halves of the same coin, since their rivals and opposites. I was also only referring to Curse Mark compared to Kurama's chakra. They are equal. Why don't you get this?

 

[Sasuke082594]

1. Just...shut up. That was a horrible response.

2. Yes, Naruto and Sasuke are two halves of the same coin, since their rivals and opposites. I was also only referring to Curse Mark compared to Kurama's chakra. They are equal. Why don't you get this?

1. You say it's horrible because it's true.

2. They are not rivals. They are not trying to surpass each other or one up each other. It was always just Naruto seeking his friendship and recognition.

 

[Punk Hazard]

1. You say it's horrible because it's true.

2. They are not rivals. They are not trying to surpass each other or one up each other. It was always just Naruto seeking his friendship and recognition.

I've already won this argument. You keep dodging what I say and just say nonsense. The fact remains:
1. Sasuke has beaten Naruto three times fair and square.

2. CM and Kurama's influence on their respective wielders are equal in principle.

 

[garas56]

That is the good thing about him

He is PURE evil he is using cursed seal on people like its nothing
He want power and dont care about their lives
is Immortal

You have to like that

well if he is so evil then why before Kiling Sarutobi he cried?
Orochimaru is Just a human and he will be beated by Sasuke ore Kakashi Oro will die If not him then anyone els wulld invet Edo and Make coup de eta "World always at war".......

 

[Sasuke082594]

I've already won this argument. You keep dodging what I say and just say nonsense. The fact remains:
1. Sasuke has beaten Naruto three times fair and square.

2. CM and Kurama's influence on their respective wielders are equal in principle.

1. This isn't even about who beat who lol now your just bring up your ridicule responses. It's about how they won. Sasuke used what i call "cheap power" to beat Naruto. Naruto trained. Do you understand the difference?

2. No they are not equal. Sasuke's actual body changes. How is that equal in any way?

 

[Punk Hazard]

1. This isn't even about who beat who lol now your just bring up your ridicule responses. It's about how they won. Sasuke used what i call "cheap power" to beat Naruto. Naruto trained. Do you understand the difference?

2. No they are not equal. Sasuke's actual body changes. How is that equal in any way?

1. Naruto survived because of a cheap power too. Naruto didn't train at all with Kurama's power at that point, that was as cheap as CM.

2. Sasuke's body changed yes. Naruto also changed. His speed increased, his gained a further reach, his power went up and he gained a freaking armor of chakra with a tail.

And my point wasn't that Sasuke has beaten Naruto, but that it was all FAIR AND SQUARE.

 

[Sasuke082594]

1. Naruto survived because of a cheap power too. Naruto didn't train at all with Kurama's power at that point, that was as cheap as CM.

2. Sasuke's body changed yes. Naruto also changed. His speed increased, his gained a further reach, his power went up and he gained a freaking armor of chakra with a tail.

And my point wasn't that Sasuke has beaten Naruto, but that it was all FAIR AND SQUARE.

1. You did not just say that lol Naruto was born with that. It's not even cheap power. It's power from a tailed beast. Sasuke deliberately sought that cheap power because he knew he was no match against Naruto after the feud at the Hospital rooftop.

2. No his attributes changed. Not his body.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Before you say CM and One-Tailed Cloak aren't equal, consider these points:

1. Does CM and 1T not both increase the user's power?

2. Don't they both offer drastic changes to the body?

3. Didn't they both increase the user's signature attacks?

4. Aren't they both activated when the user's state of health and chakra drop really low?

5. Weren't they both given against the user's will?

6. don't they both have very high risks?

7. Didn't they both have zero training and control at the Valley of the End?

All answers are yes. It doesn't matter that Naruto had Kurama's power since his day of birth, CM and Kurama's chakra at that time were equivalent. There'a no avoiding that fact.

 

[Sasuke082594]

Before you say CM and One-Tailed Cloak aren't equal, consider these points:

1. Does CM and 1T not both increase the user's power?

2. Don't they both offer drastic changes to the body?

3. Didn't they both increase the user's signature attacks?

4. Aren't they both activated when the user's state of health and chakra drop really low?

5. Weren't they both given against the user's will?

6. don't they both have very high risks?

7. Didn't they both have zero training and control at the Valley of the End?

All answers are yes. It doesn't matter that Naruto had Kurama's power since his day of birth, CM and Kurama's chakra at that time were equivalent. There'a no avoiding that fact.

Yes, you have valid points. Sasuke chose to seek that power by his own free will though, and that makes it cheap. Sasuke was mad at Naruto's natural growth. He knew he could be beaten at any time of the day so he sought it out.

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

Fools at it again, i feel sorry for your stupidity.