12 Reasons why Itachi is the "most intelligent" ninja. [Debate]

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Though i rubbish such threds along with any form of ranking thread ill give my 2 cents on these type of threads. First of all, every teacher that has taught a genius has recognised them as a genius. Obito supposedly itachi's mentor due i want more on this, anyway he said he never seized to amaze him, his teacher at the academy said there hasnt been a genius ever since. Jiraiya called minato his student a 1 in a life time decade and the same was echoed when hiruzen said that about orochimaru. Gai considered neji a genius. Kakashi acknowledged sasuke's genius along with orochimaru who himself laughed at the idea of people calling him a genius when he looks at sasuke, etc. To put it simple uploading what a teacher has said about their student is nothing impressive, anybody can counter and upload what another teacher has said about their student. Teachers giving their student praise is nothing new and if anything should be confined with that teacher's students and shouldnt be used as an overall statement because that teacher will not have taught another genius therefore his opinion is limited to his students and them only.

Secondly every genius has gotten hype outside the scope of their sensei, if one person uploads a hype mentioned by one character about another character another member could do the same. I mean these hype wars are annoying. Thirdly not every genius is in the lime light therefore you cannot surely base what one character has said about another and link it another genius. To put it simple, all these hype contradict each other and should be limited to that character instead of trying to force your way into saying what that character said is true about this character therefore it applies to everyone and ill give you an example.

Hiruzen calls orochimaru a once in a life time decade

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This hype is limited to the students of hiruzen and shouldnt be used to say well that means orochimaru is smarter than other geniuses. Therefore what hiruzen said is limited to jiraiya, tsunade and oro his students. Only when has he thought the other geniuses and makes this statement will it hold for obvious reasons.

Secondly this hype clashes with what jiraiya said about minato

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Not only does it clash, but also who's statement holds?, answer is none. Jiaiya's stamenent is limited to his students and hiruzens to his.

Other thing is that character statements are always biased not only because of the teacher/student relationship but also they might have an affinity to a group. Example sasuke says that anybody outside the uchiha who was considered a genius isnt a genius when they stand beside an uchiha;

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So the question is, just because a character has said what they did, does it mean its right?, course not. What sasuke said is nonesense when there are other geniuses in the series who arent uchiha's. Also say that people sleep on other geniuses like medic ninjutsu user's and genjutsu users. But also others like sasori, kakuzu and so on have been noted to be very smart. Moral of the story is that you can combat what nonsense a character has said about another by uploading a chapter where a character talks nonsense about another character, then it becomes a hype war. These type of threads along with ranking threads are the most irrelevant because it will never come to a conclusion until kishi decides to settle it
 

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Though i rubbish such threds along with any form of ranking thread ill give my 2 cents on these type of threads. First of all, every teacher that has taught a genius has recognised them as a genius. Obito supposedly itachi's mentor due i want more on this, anyway he said he never seized to amaze him, his teacher at the academy said there hasnt been a genius ever since. Jiraiya called minato his student a 1 in a life time decade and the same was echoed when hiruzen said that about orochimaru. Gai considered neji a genius. Kakashi acknowledged sasuke's genius along with orochimaru who himself laughed at the idea of people calling him a genius when he looks at sasuke, etc. To put it simple uploading what a teacher has said about their student is nothing impressive, anybody can counter and upload what another teacher has said about their student. Teachers giving their student praise is nothing new and if anything should be confined with that teacher's students and shouldnt be used as an overall statement because that teacher will not have taught another genius therefore his opinion is limited to his students and them only.

Secondly every genius has gotten hype outside the scope of their sensei, if one person uploads a hype mentioned by one character about another character another member could do the same. I mean these hype wars are annoying. Thirdly not every genius is in the lime light therefore you cannot surely base what one character has said about another and link it another genius. To put it simple, all these hype contradict each other and should be limited to that character instead of trying to force your way into saying what that character said is true about this character therefore it applies to everyone and ill give you an example.

Hiruzen calls orochimaru a once in a life time decade

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This hype is limited to the students of hiruzen and shouldnt be used to say well that means orochimaru is smarter than other geniuses. Therefore what hiruzen said is limited to jiraiya, tsunade and oro his students. Only when has he thought the other geniuses and makes this statement will it hold for obvious reasons.

Secondly this hype clashes with what jiraiya said about minato

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Not only does it clash, but also who's statement holds?, answer is none. Jiaiya's stamenent is limited to his students and hiruzens to his.

Other thing is that character statements are always biased not only because of the teacher/student relationship but also they might have an affinity to a group. Example sasuke says that anybody outside the uchiha who was considered a genius isnt a genius when they stand beside an uchiha;

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So the question is, just because a character has said what they did, does it mean its right?, course not. What sasuke said is nonesense when there are other geniuses in the series who arent uchiha's. Also say that people sleep on other geniuses like medic ninjutsu user's and genjutsu users. But also others like sasori, kakuzu and so on have been noted to be very smart. Moral of the story is that you can combat what nonsense a character has said about another by uploading a chapter where a character talks nonsense about another character, then it becomes a hype war. These type of threads along with ranking threads are the most irrelevant because it will never come to a conclusion until kishi decides to settle it
amen to that
 

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We don't know if Madara was dead, and it doesn't matter, because Minato said Madara would have been dead ages ago when that was not the case. Minato was skeptical of an individual's ability to prolong their life, which is something many ninja have accomplished, and to which Itachi, being in Akatsuki with Hidan and Kakuzu, wouldn't rule out as a possibility. Moreover, you're trying to de-hype Itachi by relativity, but Minato not recongizing his own student, from like one year prior, doesn't accomplish that.

A student who his students SAW dying, a student who was using zetsu's body and even sharing control of the body with zetsu, also wearing a mask, in the few minutes that Minato had to worry about Kushina, naruto, Kyubi, and konoha as a whole and make quick decisions, lol, really....I don't think I need to elaborate.

Itachi was Tobi's apprentice and the spent years together in the same oprganisation and he still thought he was Madara? Super fail!

Yahiko spotted that lie in like a few seconds, and Minato also deduced that he wasn't Madara but was somehow connected during everything that was stated above. Serves to say, that if Minato had lived even an extra day, he would have probably figured out exactly who Tobi is.
 

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amen to that

Forgot to say since orochmaru was called a once in a decade genius by hiruzen and orochimaru said he is nothing compared to sausuke's genius does it mean sasuke is a one in a century genius?

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Threads like these are hopeless. Nothing more than a hype war
 

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Lol how people can compare minato's intelligence and Itachi's in the fight vs tobi, where we saw minato vs tobi, but we never saw itachi vs tobi, how can u claim that itachi couldn't find a way to counter tobis S/T, u cant have facts out of something that wasn't show in the manga, this is like saying Itachi found nagatos CT weakness, and minato couldn't, we cant say this when we never saw nagato vs minato..

Dumb ppl,dumb ppl everywhere....
 

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Def top five... although others are highly praised as being geniuses too, we just see more from Itachi, doesn't mean he is the top.

also if he was Captain of Anbu Black Ops at 13 he would still be in Konoha. This means that when he was teamed up with Orochimaru around 13-15 not at 10. either you got bad sources or Kishi messed up timeline.
Great thread tho.
 

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Minato was more dehyped.

the only character he actually defeated turns out to be a 14 yr old.
and despite it being his own student he still suspected it was madara and obito didn't even have to try and fool him.

A fourteen year old mentored by what was probably the "will" of Madara, a genius fighter. Who was so skilled at infiltration that he knows intimate knowledge that is considered classified such as the truth about the Uchiha clan.

OH! AND he had the Mangekyo Sharingan, and was skilled enough to take control of Kurama, making him the fifth person ever to be able to control a Tailed Beast.

He masters space-time ninjutsu and causes one of the most devastating disasters of Konoha history which actually makes a BIG PLOT in the story, and you label him down to a 14 year old.
 
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His legacy will live within Naruto and Sasuke since they know who's the real hero behind saving everyone from edo tensie.
 

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Ever hear of knowledge is power? Well Itachi is by far not the most powerful, meaning he's not the most intelligent either.

1. Madara- knows almost everything there is to know about jutsu, chakra, the past, analysis, and combat in general. Also centuries of experience.

2. Obito- basically knows everything Madara knows

3. Kabuto/Orochimaru- Have intel on virtually every character, theorized that the sharingan evolved into rinnegan, study the essence of chakra and immortality and broke it down to its scientific essence, had knowledge and capabilities of locating all the edo bodies...including Madara.

4. Itachi or Minato, then maybe kakashi.
 

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Ever hear of knowledge is power? Well Itachi is by far not the most powerful, meaning he's not the most intelligent either.

Knowledge and intelligence are not the same term. If this thread were debating who's the most knowledgeable, then you'd be right on point.
 

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You've just helped me prove how Itachi is well OP'ed in the whole series xd I thank you ;) :cool:
 

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Who ever said Itachi fell prey to obito's deception. Remember he was a masterful liar. A man with that degree of perception could never be fooled. He said Madara was a "shell of him former self" which could be interpreted in many ways. And yes he was the greatest prodigy konoha has ever seen. Minato was not as renowned as him at a young age.
 
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i think noddy just hates itachi. yes it is as u said earlier i am a fan of itachi but if u consider sasuke, madara or obito as the mastermind then itachi did the sort of thing none of them even dreamed of.
 

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i think noddy just hates itachi. yes it is as u said earlier i am a fan of itachi but if u consider sasuke, madara or obito as the mastermind then itachi did the sort of thing none of them even dreamed of.

and what is it exactly that itachi did that none of them dreamed of? Fool his little brother into killing him, but accidentally making him into an S ranked criminal seeking to destroy the village he sacrificed so much for?........GENIUS!
 

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and what is it exactly that itachi did that none of them dreamed of? Fool his little brother into killing him, but accidentally making him into an S ranked criminal seeking to destroy the village he sacrificed so much for?........GENIUS!

It wasn't an accident on Itachi's part. Obito purposefully turned Sasuke into that, foiling Itachi's plans by betraying their pact, and yet Itachi had planned two contingencies to handle that. The first being Amaterasu, which Obito used Izanagi to survive (Itachi did not know Obito had Izanagi,) and the second being Kotoamatsukami, which Itachi ended up using on himself and being able to, as Orochimaru put it, overwrite the manipulations of Obito and Orochimaru.

He's obviously a genius. Obito hanging onto life through Itachi's trap, Obito easily being the hardest living person to kill, does not undermine that in the slightest.
 

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Additionally, if Obito had wanted to corrupt Naruto like he did Sasuke, then that could have easily been accomplished, since Minato was the only one who knew about Obito, and Naruto was neglected in the village. Obito could have easily kidnapped the rejeced Naruto and raised him as an evil apprentice. Do you know what prevented that? Itachi and his pact. Naruto being the good guy and Sasuke being the bad guy is not a result fo superior or inferior planning, but of the antagonists' focus throughout the series.
 

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Kishi really wanted to give everything to itachi, it is his fav character after all, but I think he developed him and gave him far to many feats in comparison to other characters, literally the only downfall he has it his illness and the fact he's a pacifist in terms of plot battle,being a pacifist in real life is good. But it's all that, that makes me dislike him, and he looks shit; and I would agree to an extent on intelligence, but oro takes that
 
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