12 Reasons why Itachi is the "most intelligent" ninja. [Debate]

[Waltz]

OP these are all subjective and there is no such thing as the most intelligent character. Similar to these top 10 threads, its all opinions and how a member see's a or favours a character. Everybody that has come close to itachi has noted his genius but at the same time that can be said about minato and sasuke, other geniuses who has been noted to be very bright by those who knew them

6. Not the official translation and you know it.
10. VIZ scan Itachi was merely 'different' not on a different level.
11. Laughable. Itachi was manipulated by 'one-in-databook-intelligence' Obito.

All in all this is possibly the most biased thread i've ever seen, with all of Itachi's failings being omitted. You listed Itachi being able to find a weakness of Edo Tensei as if other shinobi ever had the opportunity to try and eliminate it themselves. Alot of it isn't really relevant. For example, he 'amazed Obito' as if that's a monumental achievement. Of all the notable geniuses, none have failed as much as this man, who by all means even admitted to his shortcomings and overestimation by followers.

This ^

 

[Lilt]

So Obito played the game and played him well. Agreed.

Time will tell. I have a feeling that Naruto and Bee, who Itachi saved with his fūinjutsu by the way, and Sasuke and Kabuto, who Itachi by the way just probably converted, are going to bring him down hard. Oh, and then there's some acknowledgement for there never being an attack on Konoha while Itachi was still alive.

 

[Dantee]

Na he didn't need to work out that it was Obito just that it wasn't Madara. Itachi spent the most time with Tobi really so he shouldve done better than most people but he didnt at all. He called him Madara more times before that unless ur saying that he was lying to Naruto on purpose which isn't true.

Did he really spend so much time with Tobi? Tobi knew everything about Madara it's easy for him to decieve people that he's Madara. His abilities, knowledge and feats all back the fact he can be the fearsome MAdara. This is by far the silliest way to dehype a character.

Even so it's still unclear whether he did think he was Madara or just a masked man.

 

[OnPoint]

Irrelevent to bold the claim of Itachi hardly having to be taught at all.

But he wasn't the best the academy had ever seen, which was your exaggerated claim.

Irrelevant to Kabuto underestimating Itachi's potential threat to his plans.

He was just different. Some try and attribute the false translation to his strength.

Itachi was manipulated by a 30-year-old Obito. (It was Minato that encountered the 14-year-old Obito.)

Obito is Obito whether he's 30 or 14. He had clearly grown in intelligence over the years but not to genius level intellect - so how did Itachi allow himself to get manipulated?

Please recite the failings of a child pitted against main antagonists that somehow invalidate his innate intellect.

Is Sasuke fuelled by hate? Is that what Itachi intended? Does Sasuke want to redeem the Uchiha clan's name? Is that what Itachi intended? Did Itachi admit to failing? Did Itachi give advice to Naruto on how not to fail? Did Itachi ever liken himself to Kabuto's flawed personality? Answer these questions and you will find the true, unbiased conclusion.

No other ninja mentioned a theory as to how to permanently defeat Edo Tensei. That's a fact.

No other main genius had the opportunity. But ok.

Obito stating that Itachi "never ceased to amaze him, even in death" is a huge note to his intelligence. Who's biased now?

Obito isn't a genius. That's like saying impressing/amazing/fooling an imbecile makes you clever. No (although that was an extreme example I gave).

Nor have they accomplished as much.

The Edo Tensei aversion is probably his only successful pure intelligence feat outside of the academy feats, where he's bettered by Kakashi.

I addressed this already. If Kabuto had overestimated Itachi, he wouldn't be trapped in his own mind right now.

I recall Sasuke saved him in that battle :I

 

[Lilt]

Did he really spend so much time with Tobi?

Tobi was too cautious to even be an official member of Akatsuki, and therefore be around Itachi, before Sasuke was on his way to kill Itachi.

 

[YellowFlash1]

That's what genius is in the manga. It's the counterbalance to learning through effort, and Itachi quite effortlessly mastered as many ninja areas as Hiruzen in the databooks, and invented techniques that individuals with even Obito's level of knowledge don't understand. No other ninja has as impressive a mixture of insight, perception, manipulation, eclectic mastery, and inventiveness. Many great geniuses have those traits, but only Itachi possesses them all.

Manipulation & inventiveness?

I don't think i've seen Itachi do any of those?

Genius to meis intelligence nothing else, I don't see the praise in being born with given abilities, He was Giving Sharingan and given Ms, same as sasuke, yet their are still ninja out there that beast them despite not having sharingan. Their far from awesome.

Minato was the one who created all his Own Arsenal of Jutsu.

Another thing i noticed was the fact he wasn't at sannin level at age 10-11 because he never left the village untill the age of 13! Another thing was he even stated himself that he couldn't take jiraiya or " None of them would win".


He also never knew that he could get out of edo tensei, He said Himself that Ka responded it's self and he had it in side naruto for another reason. ( Wasn't even his Jutsu)

Btw you kinda screwed your own point up ... Naruto was able to learn a jutsu that would take year's in a few week's meaning no one can learn a jutsu faster than him tbh...

If being a genius is a feat of strength then he's not the "best Genius"

 

[Lilt]

Manipulation & inventiveness?

I don't think i've seen Itachi do any of those?

Then you haven't been paying attention. There are benevolent forms of manipulation, and I've highlighted his inventiveness, which isn't limited to inventing techniques by the way, ad nauseum.

Genius to mean is intelligence nothing else, I don't see the praise in being born with given abilities

Just like other geniuses were born with a high intellect, right? This kekkei genkai bias is a load of shit. If someone is considered a genius, then they inherited a high degree of intelligence from their bloodline.

Another thing i noticed was the fact he wasn't at sannin level at age 10-11 because he never left the village untill the age of 13!

I've already proven, beyond doubt, according to Orochimaru and Akatsuki, that it was when Itachi was 10-11. The variable circumstances that placed him there are not something I'm going to discuss with someone that is against Itachi to begin with.

Another thing was he even stated himself that he couldn't take jiraiya or " None of them would win".

And Minato called Jiriaya the greatest shinobi, greater than even himself. That has nothing to do with intellect.

He also never knew that he could get out of edo tensei, He said Himself that Ka responded it's self and he had it in side naruto for another reason. ( Wasn't even his Jutsu)

Itachi activated the jutsu on himself purposefully, but that's beside the point. Kotoamatsukami was initially a tool to manipulate Sasuke into helping Konoha, but Itachi improvised, which saved Naruto, Bee, and allowed him to talk no jutsu Naruto, Kabuto, and Sasuke.

 

[Serotonin]

Manipulation & inventiveness?

he even stated himself that he couldn't take jiraiya or " None of them would win".

That hype was voided ages ago. " not a single truth till you died "

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Jiraya would have gotten the same treatment as orochimaru if he engaged with him.

 

[YellowFlash1]

Then you haven't been paying attention. There are benevolent forms of manipulation, and I've highlighted his inventiveness, which isn't limited to inventing techniques by the way, ad nauseum.



Just like other geniuses were born with a high intellect, right? This kekkei genkai bias is a load of shit. If someone is considered a genius, then they inherited a high degree of intelligence from their bloodline.



I've already proven, beyond doubt, according to Orochimaru and Akatsuki, that it was when Itachi was 10-11. The variable circumstances that placed him there are not something I'm going to discuss with someone that is against Itachi to begin with.



And Minato called Jiriaya the greatest shinobi, greater than even himself. That has nothing to do with intellect.



Itachi activated the jutsu on himself purposefully, but that's beside the point. Kotoamatsukami was initially a tool to manipulate Sasuke into helping Konoha, but Itachi improvised, which saved Naruto, Bee, and allowed him to talk no jutsu Naruto, Kabuto, and Sasuke.

Knowledge isn't something that you're born with, it's something that you gain actually. I'm not biased you're claiming him to best the best.

You said that genius in the manga is a feat of strength essentially. He's far from the strongest, Their are people who have shown more inventiveness than him.

Most of the statements you make are biased. Minato is the only man who created a justu that allows him to make move at the speed of light. You can't say that because he saved someone what noone else could because they didn't have the speed that he's the Only Genius that can catch a falling baby....

He stated himself that it responded to the edo tensei something which he initially didn't know.

It's true that Minato Stated that Jiriaya was the greatest although that doesn't mean he's the strongest.

 

[YellowFlash1]

That hype was voided ages ago. " not a single truth till you died "

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Jiraya would have gotten the same treatment as orochimaru if he engaged with him.

Everything that he stated in that was just general knowledge on the sharingan.

 

[Lilt]

But he wasn't the best the academy had ever seen, which was your exaggerated claim.

Not my claim, but numerous translators. If you provide the viz scan, then I'll edit it in.

He was just different. Some try and attribute the false translation to his strength.

I don't care about strength.

Obito is Obito whether he's 30 or 14.

Wow.

Is Sasuke fuelled by hate?

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Is that what Itachi intended?

Outdated. Itachi intended for Sasuke's hatred to die with him and for Konoha's sins to remain buried.

Does Sasuke want to redeem the Uchiha clan's name?

There is nothing to redeem in the public eye.

Is that what Itachi intended?

You missed the entire point of Itachi's assassination it seems.

Did Itachi admit to failing?

It would be stupider if he said he'd never failed in life.

Did Itachi give advice to Naruto on how not to fail?

He protected Naruto from ending up like Tobi.

Did Itachi ever liken himself to Kabuto's flawed personality?

Says the Minato fan. I suppose flawlessly bland personalities are your preference.

Obito isn't a genius.

He walked into Konoha on a whim and left Minato, Kushina, Hiruzen's wife, and countless others dead.

outside of the academy feats, where he's bettered by Kakashi.

Kakashi never had Itachi's universal mastery of ninja arts (in DB1, he had many "4's" and imperfect intelligence.)

If you're referring to graduation age, that's variable on war-time versus peace-time. Orochimaru also graduated earlier.

 

[Serotonin]

Everything that he stated in that was just general knowledge on the sharingan.

Voided

 

[Blaze Release]

Though i dont believe in these type of threads and i will not participate the people in favour of itachi are getting outweighed and outmatched, yet so much could be said that they ignore. Perhaps Owarij, Flori, Turson or perhaps digitalmonster himself might come to your aid

 

[Serotonin]

Though i dont believe in these type of threads and i will not participate the people in favour of itachi are getting outweighed and outmatched, yet so much could be said that they ignore. Perhaps Owarij, Flori, Turson or perhaps digitalmonster himself might come to your aid

When did you become such a ****ing hipster moralfag

 

[YellowFlash1]

Kakashi was also at a younger age when he graduated.

He also invited his own jutsu.

He out smarted Itachi with a shadow clone.

He actually Took on obito something that itachi never had the balls to do, hence why he waited till he was dead to try kill him.

Eclectic = Deriving ideas, style, or taste from a broad and diverse range of sources. you're trying to tell me that itachi has more style than minato, someone who summons all his abilities from his sharingan as a source of power.

Every Uchiha has the same style as him.

Noone in the manga has the same style as Minato, kakashi or Oro - I cba arguing anyway, i'm finished now! You don't seem to grasp he's far from the most intelligent. Kakashi beat's him.

 

[Blaze Release]

When did you become such a ****ing hipster moralfag

Im not particularly bothered about the thread and majority of the times i couldnt care less. I just like seeing people having fun thats all

 

[OnPoint]

Why are you editing and skipping out sections of my post. I can do that too you know ^^

Not my claim, but numerous translators. If you provide the viz scan, then I'll edit it in.

The words of the VIZ scan have already been provided.

I don't care about strength.

Yes you do. Why did you say he was Sannin level at age *11 then? It was obviously relevant to you.

Wow.

Did you expect it to make sense by itself? Or did you purposefully ignore the rest?

Outdated.

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Not really:

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Outdated. Itachi intended for Sasuke's hatred to die with him and for Konoha's sins to remain buried.

Itachi wanted Sasuke to be a hero of Konoha. He's gone rogue.

There is nothing to redeem in the public eye.

Itachi Uchiha. Sasuke already showed how villagers still speak ill of him.

You missed the entire point of Itachi's assassination it seems.

You missed the fail. Or just ignored it :I

It would be stupider if he said he'd never failed in life.

It was stupid anyway :I

He protected Naruto from ending up like Tobi.

Based on personal experience. That's the only reason he knew what to say to Naruto :I

Says the Minato fan. I suppose flawlessly bland personalities are your preference.

Laughable.

1. Hashirama
2. Obito
3. Madara
4. Tsunade
5. Nagato
6. Zetsu
7. Minato

Not even top 5. Please come back with concrete info and not weak assumptions. Way to avoid the question though :I

He walked into Konoha on a whim and left Minato, Kushina, Hiruzen's wife, and countless others dead.

Any killer is a smart man now? Despite the fact that Kurama was responsible for most of the killing?

Kakashi never had Itachi's universal mastery of ninja arts (in DB1, he had many "4's" and imperfect intelligence.)

If you're referring to graduation age, that's variable on war-time versus peace-time. Orochimaru also graduated earlier.

I was talking about age. Which you seemed to make a big deal about when discussiong both Sannin level and Obito :I

 

[Lilt]

Kakashi was also at a younger age when he graduated.

In war-time, which is why Jiriaya graduated at age six. Is Jiriaya more intelligent than Itachi too?

He also invited his own jutsu.

Yes, he did.

He out smarted Itachi with a shadow clone.

When Itachi was outnumbered. That's like saying Itachi "outsmarted" Kabuto with a clone (twice.)

He actually Took on obito something that itachi never had the balls to do

Backwards. Obito was the one who never crossed Itachi or Konoha while Itachi was alive.

Eclectic = Deriving ideas, style, or taste from a broad and diverse range of sources. you're trying to tell me that itachi has more style than minato, someone who summons all his abilities from his sharingan as a source of power.

Itachi is far more diverse than Minato.

Every Uchiha has the same style as him.

Every main Uchiha is far more eclectic than Minato.

 

[Sexy Steel]

Why are you editing and skipping out sections of my post. I can do that too you know ^^



The words of the VIZ scan have already been provided.



Yes you do. Why did you say he was Sannin level at age *11 then? It was obviously relevant to you.



Did you expect it to make sense by itself? Or did you purposefully ignore the rest?



Not really:

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Itachi wanted Sasuke to be a hero of Konoha. He's gone rogue.



Itachi Uchiha. Sasuke already showed how villagers still speak ill of him.



You missed the fail. Or just ignored it :I



It was stupid anyway :I



Based on personal experience. That's the only reason he knew what to say to Naruto :I



Laughable.

1. Hashirama
2. Obito
3. Madara
4. Tsunade
5. Nagato
6. Zetsu
7. Minato

Not even top 5. Please come back with concrete info and not weak assumptions. Way to avoid the question though :I



Any killer is a smart man now? Despite the fact that Kurama was responsible for most of the killing?



I was talking about age. Which you seemed to make a big deal about when discussiong both Sannin level and Obito :I

Sasuke isn't fueled by hate
in that same scan he says "reuniting with itachi only added to my hatred towards konoha but "

keyword is "but"

itachi's love for konoha prevents this hate from manifesting, as oppose to when he was manipulated by tobi and oro.

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[Serotonin]

Im not particularly bothered about the thread and majority of the times i couldnt care less. I just like seeing people having fun thats all

The inferno that once was has dwindled,

blaze release.