100% Backed-up FACT about the misunderstanding of 'Hagoromo and the moon'

[MadaraReturns]

The birth of the First Jinchuuriki and the moon

As I stated in the beginning of my membership, Hagoromo and Hamura did seal the Juubi in the moon and became the Jin's at the sane time, however, people didn't want to believe me because "How could Hagoromo (Hamura wasn't introduced back then) become the Juubi Jin if he sealed the Juubi into the moon before becoming it? Hagoromo first sealed the Juubi inside himself, and at his deathbed he took it out, split it and sealed the Gedo Statue into the moon."

I'll tell you how:

His brother and he used Chibaku Tensei together, they sealed the Juubi who had Kaguya('s will) inside himself:

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Now your question is "But how could they become the Jin's if they made the Juubi the core of Chibaku Tensei?" Simple, the page below shows that when Naruto and Sasuke made Kaguya the core of Chibaku Tensei, all the tailed beasts came free:

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So the Gedo Statue was the only thing that's been sealed, nothing else. It sounds logical now, but when I tried to explain this a couple of months ago, nobody would believe me without back-up.

That leaves 1 question: As Hagoromo stated in the first picture, Hamura also became the Juubi Jin, so has Hagoromo ever actually been the full Juubi's Jin?​

 

[PyRoxGoD]

You make crap more confusing I read it like three times

 

[Gagster]

Where did Hagaromo state that his brother also became a Juubi jin? What manga is that in?

 

[Unbiased]

What's to say they divided equally amongst both brothers like you claim?

 

[-immortal-]

Your Theory is full of Fodderism and BS.



As the VIZ stated. ONly Hagoromo has ever Sealed the Jùbi inside him.

Hamuro is Irrevelant in that state U_U

 

[KidGamer65]

You pretty much took the post I already replied to, and turned it into a thread.

Your statement makes no sense since Hagoromo needed 'the strong chakra he inherited from Kaguya (which she got from the fruit)' as you described it a page ago. Then again he didn't even create the moon on his own:

That's Hagoromo's Natural (Base) state. So no, my statement does make sense. We are comparing JJ Hagoromo to JJ Madara. If Madara needs the Juubi to do something Base Hagoromo can do on his deathbed, then...Lol. Its clear who's weaker.

He wasn't the Jin of the full Juubi as far as we know..

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Official Translation disagrees.

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They did, this page proves that it is possible to seal the Juubi right there and then, and become a Jin at the same time:

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Once again, wrong. The Bijuu were separated from the Mazo as they were already in existence this time around. If this is how Hagoromo became the Jinchuuriki, then he'd only have the Bijuu's chakra and no Mazo, as it would have been sealed into the Moon. Which is obviously false as Hagoromo was stated to have the Mazo and the Juubi's Chakra inside him.

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They sealed the Juubi in him, then when he was old he extracted the Juubi's Chakra, made the 9 Bijuu, and later on after he had recovered from the extraction, he removed the Gedo Mazo and sealed it using Chibaku Tensei.

You're wrong. Simple as that.

 

[Sasuke2]

Except Kurama said the Ten-Tails' body ("gedo mazo") was what kept Hagoromo alive, so no.

 

[shuma]

This thread explained so much m8 thx. Don't listen to those litle fgts dey just mad dat u rekt dey sweg

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[MadaraReturns]

Where did Hagaromo state that his brother also became a Juubi jin? What manga is that in?

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[KCMNaruto]

except back then both Hagoromo and Hamura used seals to seal Juubi in Hagoromo due to need to Rinnegan and Juubi's power to cancel IT.

after placing seals on Kaguya, it was Hagoromo making Chibaku Tensei, not them. Back then Hagoromo had one hand occupied with placing seal on Juubi so could he use Chibaku tensei ?

Then he was living long as Juubi Jin, spreading chakra and teaching people until death bed.

At his death bed he extracted Juubi's chakra from body and used it to create tailed beasts while sending Gedo Mazou(Juubi's empty husk) in space creating the moon.

Just pure manga fact, buddy.

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[MadaraReturns]

@KidGamer65 I didn't read your post then, but I have already replied:

Once again, wrong. The Bijuu were separated from the Mazo as they were already in existence this time around. If this is how Hagoromo became the Jinchuuriki, then he'd only have the Bijuu's chakra and no Mazo, as it would have been sealed into the Moon. Which is obviously false as Hagoromo was stated to have the Mazo and the Juubi's Chakra inside him.

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They sealed the Juubi in him, then when he was old he extracted the Juubi's Chakra, made the 9 Bijuu, and later on after he had recovered from the extraction, he removed the Gedo Mazo and sealed it using Chibaku Tensei.

Your claim is backed up with a picture, but so is mine as you saw Kaguya's flashback of Hamura and Hagoromo using Chibaku Tensei, so I am not 'wrong again'.. Both our claims are mangafacts lol, I guess Kishi made a hole in his plot. But what I don't understand is that you say that mangapanda has translated wrong, and in the same post you use a mangapanda picture too..

 

[MadaraReturns]

Except Kurama said the Ten-Tails' body ("gedo mazo") was what kept Hagoromo alive, so no.

They sealed it both BEFORE becoming Jin's, my fact makes more sense, although your fact is also backed-up by the manga

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[KidGamer65]

@KidGamer65 I didn't read your post then, but I have already replied:


Your claim is backed up with a picture, but so is mine as you saw Kaguya's flashback of Hamura and Hagoromo using Chibaku Tensei, so I am not 'wrong again'.. Both our claims are mangafacts lol, I guess Kishi made a hole in his plot. But what I don't understand is that you say that mangapanda has translated wrong, and in the same post you use a mangapanda picture too..

Except the flashback never showed them using Chibaku Tensei. You assumed that they used it when it was stated that they sealed the Juubi inside of Hagoromo, meaning the jutsu can also be used to make a Jinchuuriki as well.

@bold: That's a VIZ scan, not mangapanda.

 

[MadaraReturns]

Except the flashback never showed them using Chibaku Tensei. You assumed that they used it when it was stated that they sealed the Juubi inside of Hagoromo, meaning the jutsu can also be used to make a Jinchuuriki as well.

@bold: That's a VIZ scan, not mangapanda.

pff, your pictures have a mangapanda marking in the right corner below.

EDIT: Loool did Kurama's statement show him extracting the bijuu chakra only? Why else were Hamura and Hagoromo grabbing the Juubi just like Naruto and Sasuke and did she say "again"? (top left of the picture in case you won't be able to see it again)

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[KidGamer65]

pff, your pictures have a mangapanda marking in the right corner below.

The image I posted of Hagoromo and the Juubi? No, it doesn't. If you are asking me why I'm using mangapanda at all, its because their translation is correct for the pages I have posted.

 

[MadaraReturns]

The image I posted of Hagoromo and the Juubi? No, it doesn't. If you are asking me why I'm using mangapanda at all, its because their translation is correct for the pages I have posted.

Oh have you learned Japanese to see what's right and what's wrong about mangapanda's translations? By the way look at my edit.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Hagoromo and Hamura place seals on Juubi then seal it in Hagoromo:

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Hagoromo was Juubi Jinchurki

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Hagoromo extracted Ten tails chakra to giving them form created Tailed beasts:

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Hagoromo creating Moon on his death bed:

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Thread soloed

 

[KidGamer65]

Oh have you learned Japanese to see what's right and what's wrong about mangapanda's translations? By the way look at my edit.

No, the VIZ, *********** and Mangapanda translations are all the same for those pages. So there is nothing wrong with them. If you are asserting that there is something wrong with them, then prove it.

Loool did Kurama's statement show him extracting the bijuu chakra only? Why else were Hamura and Hagoromo grabbing the Juubi just like Naruto and Sasuke and did she say "again"? (top left of the picture in case you won't be able to see it again)

Obviously, because if he removed the Mazo and the Bijuu, he'd die as the Mazo was the only thing that was keeping him alive. The rest is just a repeat of what I've already replied to. "Again" only means that she was defeated and sealed again. Doesn't necessarily refer to the Chibaku Tensei.

 

[MadaraReturns]

Hagoromo and Hamura place seals on Juubi then seal it in Hagoromo:

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Hagoromo was Juubi Jinchurki

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Hagoromo extracted Ten tails chakra to giving them form created Tailed beasts:

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Hagoromo creating Moon on his death bed:

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Thread not soloed as they used Chibaku Tensei, and not just a seal to make Hagoromo a Jin, only thing you're right with is the 'Hagoromo was the only Jin' part, I thought that also, but I read the mangapanda version only, so I didn't know better (if that version is translated wrong).

 

[MadaraReturns]

No, the VIZ, *********** and Mangapanda translations are all the same for those pages. So there is nothing wrong with them. If you are asserting that there is something wrong with them, then prove it.

I am just saying that maybe the mangapanda that you said is wrong is right.. but I don't know and I won't say if it is or not. I am not Japanese.

Obviously, because if he removed the Mazo and the Bijuu, he'd die as the Mazo was the only thing that was keeping him alive. The rest is just a repeat of what I've already replied to. "Again" only means that she was defeated and sealed again. Doesn't necessarily refer to the Chibaku Tensei.

So there is another seal that requires Yin and Yang seal? Let me ask this, what do you think they did in that panel? You are playing dumb, when they performed Chibaku Tensei Kaguya said 'Again', why was she sweating if she didn't know what Sasuke and Naruto were doing??