[VS] 1 MS Obito can defeat these characters

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Agree?

BM Naruto - He would have defeated him if not for Gai,Kakashi and Bee and for those who say "he needs the Rinnegan to defeat BM Naruto" Well the only Rinnegan Jutsu Obito used was Rikudo no Jutsu and BM Naruto shat on it and Obito using speed alone could have defeat BM Naruto but Kakashi,Gai and Bee were there to help

Base Minato - He lost to him as a kid and he didnt even use Mokuton and Minato even said that Obito doesnt want to have a long fight
Adult War arc Obito would defeat Base Minato

Nagato- Debateable...Nagato is overall more powerful but Kamui can be tricky

6 Paths of Pain - high diff at best

SM Naruto - Med diff

EMS Sasuke - EMS Sasuke doesnt have PS and Obito has a counter for everything EMS Sasuke can do

Tobirama - Debateable

1 MS Kakashi - Murder stomp

7 Gates Gai - Murder Stomp

Itachi - Med diff fight

 

[Draphsin]

Only things I disagree with are BM naruto & Nagato.

- Obito needs a summon or his chakra rods [rinnegan] in order to defeat BM naruto

- Obito takes care of nagato with mid diff, high diff if I'm being generous

EDIT: He can defeat tobirama with mid diff as well.

 

[VongolaX]

Obito didn't use rikudou no Justu on bm naruto.

Rikudou no Justu translate to six path Justus, the six abilities Nagato uses.

Obito only used the Outerpath for the transformation of Gedo mazou, it's impossible to control Gedo mazou and uses rikudou no Justu at the same time.

He only used to path abilities against JJ Madara though.

Obito can take out Nagato too, he's not beating a guy that was tutored under Madara.
The rest I agree with, nice thread.

 

[VongolaX]

Only things I disagree with are BM naruto & Nagato.

- Obito needs a summon or his chakra rods [rinnegan] in order to defeat BM naruto

- Obito takes care of nagato with mid diff, high diff if I'm being generous

EDIT: He can defeat tobirama with mid diff as well.

Turns out the rods are not a rinnegan technique, those giant stakes are curse seals

 

[Chazzi]

nice thread! except that everyone on that list negs 1 ms obito

 

[Draphsin]

Turns out the rods are not a rinnegan technique, those giant stakes are curse seals

I always thought the seal's chain was an outer path technique based on this.

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But I guess when I look at it he never called the seal an outer path jutsu, merely that it's stronger. Meh, if he can use the chains with just his MS then he can take down BM naruto without a summon.

 

[Demonic.]

Disagree with Minato. FTG is faster than Kamui, and minato had no Intel when they fought. With Intel, Minato wins this mid diff everytime.

Disagree with BM Naruto, assuming he can use clones.

Agree with Nagato. Nagato is more powerful though.


Agree with Tobirama. It's debatable. Leaning toward Tobirama though.

6 paths of pain would definitely be high diff

 

[VongolaX]

I always thought the seal's chain was an outer path technique based on this.

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But I guess when I look at it he never called the seal an outer path jutsu, merely that it's stronger. Meh, if he can use the chains with just his MS then he can take down BM naruto without a summon.

Ya the one he used on Hachibi was called a curse seal, which was a different chain than the one Gedo uses.

The black rods are a way to relay sage chakra the user/or Gedo to an individual.

The 3rd databook said that it's uncertain that these black belts are even associated with the rinnegan.
(I think black zetsu and old Madara can attest to that)

Remember to that he ejected rods out of kamui dimensions, kamui has nothing to do with the rinnegan.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Disagree with BM Naruto, assuming he can use clones.

Mokuton is pretty much a Jinchuriki's nightmare
Also not to mention black rods would pin Naruto down and he could use Genjutsu on Kurama or he could even extract Kurama out of Naruto

 

[Demonic.]

Mokuton is pretty much a Jinchuriki's nightmare
Also not to mention black rods would pin Naruto down and he could use Genjutsu on Kurama or he could even extract Kurama out of Naruto

True . But all the logical debaters on here tell me the only reason Hashirama beats BM Naruto is because of SS seeing as how Naruto was able to deal with wood dragon by simply canceling his avatar.

 

[VongolaX]

All these stupid clone arguments....

Obito already took out Naruto clones without much problem and that much won't change with every other uchiha that took out Naruto's clones.

 

[Sound]

He can't beat BM Naruto or Minato. He beats the rest of them with medium difficulty overall in 1v1.​

 

[Gold Lightning]

Agree?

Base Minato - He lost to him as a kid and he didnt even use Mokuton and Minato even said that Obito doesnt want to have a long fight
Adult War arc Obito would defeat Base Minato

He isn't defeating minato. Minato stomped him with 0 intel while Obito had most intel. Minato didn't use all his techniques either. Minato was also in a hurry, not just Obito. Minato was under more pressure while Obito had lots of prep time and intel.

If it were a proper 1 vs 1 with equal intel and equal conditions, Obito would lose even worse.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

He isn't defeating minato. Minato stomped him with 0 intel while Obito had most intel. Minato didn't use all his techniques either. Minato was also in a hurry, not just Obito. Minato was under more pressure while Obito had lots of prep time and intel.

If it were a proper 1 vs 1 with equal intel and equal conditions, Obito would lose even worse.

But Adult Obito fought BM Naruto was pretty much equal to him and BM Naruto>Base Minato

 

[Gold Lightning]

But Adult Obito fought BM Naruto was pretty much equal to him and BM Naruto>Base Minato

BM Naruto doesn't use space time techniques that can counter kamui, FTG is faster than kamui. Narutos only problem was that he couldn't touch Obito. Without kamui, Naruto would've crushed him.

Why are you trying to use abc logic, it doesn't work that way.

 

[VongolaX]

BM Naruto doesn't use space time techniques that can counter kamui, FTG is faster than kamui. Narutos only problem was that he couldn't touch Obito. Without kamui, Naruto would've crushed him.

Why are you trying to use abc logic, it doesn't work that way.

Bm naruto had MS Kakashi 0_o

 

[Gold Lightning]

Bm naruto had MS Kakashi 0_o

And so.....?

Obito can stop Kakashi's kamui with his own, as we've already seen. Not to mention Kakashi was exhausted for most of the time. And let's not forget that Kakashi didn't even want to kill Obito

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Bm naruto had MS Kakashi 0_o

And Gai and Killer Bee but still couldnt defeat Obito XD

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

And so.....?

Not to mention Kakashi was exhausted for most of the time.

And Obito wasnt? He was fighting 2 PJ's and 2 Elite Jonin and he said The Rinnegan took a great toll on him and the power even scared him

And let's not forget that Kakashi didn't even want to kill Obito

Even if he wanted to Obito would still defeat him

 

[Gold Lightning]

And Obito wasnt? He was fighting 2 PJ's and 2 Elite Jonin and he said The Rinnegan took a great toll on him and the power even scared him


Even if he wanted to Obito would still defeat him

Obito was fine, that Senju and uchiha DNA was substantial enough. Where did Obito say that the Rinnegan was taking its toll on him?

If Kakashi killed stabbed him with a lightning blade, instead of punching him in the stomach, Obito would be dead U_U

It doesn't matter how many he was fighting either. They couldn't touch him, do you really think they'd struggle so much if Obito wasn't in ghost mode 24/7.

My point is, minato has intel and can counter with his own space time. I'm not arguing over this abc stuff any longer. I don't see how fighting people that don't have a proper counter to his kamui is the same as fighting 1 person that has the perfect counter to his kamui.