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God doesn't choose people because of there race. Sorry to tell you this (really not sorry) but God chooses the black man because the black man has been treated the worst in the world. He has went through the worst suffering any human being could ever endure. In fact no other human being could endure it because when the whites tried to enslave them they died easily. 2.And it's not just black it's oppressed people al over the world that have recovered injustice while being under the current heads of this world. Blacks are the chickens of Israel. Have we not been enslaved for 400 years just like the project states? Have we not been put at the all the way bottom? 1. Have we not been reduced so low that we kill ourselves more than others kill us? Black isn't a color. It is the origin of color. Take it or leave it alone. I don't know what race you are but it doesn't matter. If you are oppressed, then you should be apart of this movement. Please don't turn a blind eye to It. This is bigge than just black people. This is for the oppressed people of the planet earth

Edit: if you don't believe, just watch the weather. You can't call him a liar if what he says comes true. He said it will intensify so just wait and see. God is talking through that man Farrakhan. Just watch what he says. Number 2 on the Muslim program is we want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all regardless of creed, or class, or color. That's number 2 on the Nation of Islams Muslim program
How do you know god has chosen the black man or that god even exists? Thats a different topic though, what you're proposing is that minorities, the groups that were classically segregated, fought to become unsegregated, become segregated because of a vague oppressor and enemy that you have yet to point out?

@Bold 1: Once again, how does the problem of blacks killing blacks become solved once you separated? Don't you think that problem might be fixed once you address the issue in areas that suffer from that problem and fix them there? Its to my understanding that black on black on crime is usually related to other crimes correct? So tell me, how does separating fix the underlying issues of blacks killing blacks?

@ Bold 2: Whats next? You're going to say "This is a call for international Jihad." right?
 

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Yes, you've been put in horrible circumstances, where killing each other is common in African-American culture.

However, you've fought for your rights as a U.S citizen and won. Now it's time to fix your culture that has been ruined. And in order to do that, you need to stop playing the blame game, and focus on your community and youth, in order to end the violence.

I suggest by getting the youth more interested in education and their future again, and stop letting gangster rappers be their role models.
 

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Yes, you've been put in horrible circumstances, where killing each other is common in African-American culture.

However, you've fought for your rights as a U.S citizen and won. Now it's time to fix your culture that has been ruined. And in order to do that, you need to stop playing the blame game, and focus on your community and youth, in order to end the violence.

I suggest by getting the youth more interested in education and their future again, and stop letting gangster rappers be their role models.
Pretty much this. I've been to both innercity schools and suburb schools, and I gotta tell the difference between the way things are handled and the mentality of the student body is like night and day. When I went to innercity schools, the students really didn't care for it, they knew the school was shitty and were uninterested in schooling. The teachers simply came in, taught a lesson, and left. There was no after school help or tutoring. The books and equipment were behind too. Where my classmates from that time are now is anyone's guess but my guess is that they didn't go to school to get a higher education, only to continue the cycle of poor education .When I started going to a school in the 'burbs, there was a sharp contrast. The students liked going to school and strived to get good grades. The environment was nice and the teachers actually gave a shit and actively helped the students when they struggled. Many of them are in good schools, and no, its not just white people that I went to school with that benefited from a nice education system, it was people of different creeds and backgrounds.

I wouldn't say its JUST rappers and entertainers influencing young black males to join gangs. Many times the ones who are poor commit crimes .Its rather what other choices do they feel they have? Live in extreme poverty or hustle to feed and cloth yourself? This goes back to my education topic. If education was better in the area they lived in, they probably wouldn't lean towards criminal activity to support themselves.
 
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God doesn't choose people because of there race. Sorry to tell you this (really not sorry) but God chooses the black man because the black man has been treated the worst in the world. He has went through the worst suffering any human being could ever endure. In fact no other human being could endure it because when the whites tried to enslave them they died easily. And it's not just black it's oppressed people al over the world that have recovered injustice while being under the current heads of this world. Blacks are the chickens of Israel. Have we not been enslaved for 400 years just like the project states? Have we not been put at the all the way bottom? Have we not been reduced so low that we kill ourselves more than others kill us? Black isn't a color. It is the origin of color. Take it or leave it alone. I don't know what race you are but it doesn't matter. If you are oppressed, then you should be apart of this movement. Please don't turn a blind eye to It. This is bigge than just black people. This is for the oppressed people of the planet earth

Edit: if you don't believe, just watch the weather. You can't call him a liar if what he says comes true. He said it will intensify so just wait and see. God is talking through that man Farrakhan. Just watch what he says. Number 2 on the Muslim program is we want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all regardless of creed, or class, or color. That's number 2 on the Nation of Islams Muslim program
A muslim saying god will use the weather to enforce justice when the weather just recently ended up being the cause for many muslims dying at the Ka'ba in Mecca?
 

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A muslim saying god will use the weather to enforce justice when the weather just recently ended up being the cause for many muslims dying at the Ka'ba in Mecca?
I never heard about that
Yes, you've been put in horrible circumstances, where killing each other is common in African-American culture.

However, you've fought for your rights as a U.S citizen and won. Now it's time to fix your culture that has been ruined. And in order to do that, you need to stop playing the blame game, and focus on your community and youth, in order to end the violence.

I suggest by getting the youth more interested in education and their future again, and stop letting gangster rappers be their role models.
Man how much you don't get it. Watch Minister Farrakhans world friendship tour on YouTube. Every country other than America treats him like a head of state. Even the Russians. They put a wool coat on him and did a sword dance. Your saying he's not s real Muslim yet he spoke to billions in Iran in the 80s. You're speaking out of ignorance. I just suggest you learn more about the man before speaking down on him. And he has met with so called gangster rappers recently and as a result jeezy has made an album called politically correct and the game is talking about Gang unity. Let me be more clear also. The original people of the earth have been treated and oppressed the worse. Who said the Native Americans aren't original people? Who said the Mexicans aren't original people? Who said the middle eastern people aren't original people? I'm saying black in place of original
 

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A muslim saying god will use the weather to enforce justice when the weather just recently ended up being the cause for many muslims dying at the Ka'ba in Mecca?
Dying there is considered more of a good thing than bad thing for Muslims though.

I never heard about that

Man how much you don't get it. Watch Minister Farrakhans world friendship tour on YouTube. Every country other than America treats him like a head of state. Even the Russians. They put a wool coat on him and did a sword dance. Your saying he's not s real Muslim yet he spoke to billions in Iran in the 80s. You're speaking out of ignorance. I just suggest you learn more about the man before speaking down on him. And he has met with so called gangster rappers recently and as a result jeezy has made an album called politically correct and the game is talking about Gang unity. Let me be more clear also. The original people of the earth have been treated and oppressed the worse. Who said the Native Americans aren't original people? Who said the Mexicans aren't original people? Who said the middle eastern people aren't original people? I'm saying black in place of original
So basically all people are original except for white? I'm not white, but even I can see the racism in this. You can't just use the term black in place of original though as it sounds like because that may or may not have been the original race, you're superior for it.
 
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No more like we will separate if you do not give us what rightfully belongs to us. He's not isnane just watch the weather and laugh while you can.
Separate from what they'd have nowhere to go. If your answer to refusal of the demands is to leave and land was one of the demands that wasn't granted where are they going?
 

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You just said that God chooses the black man, then you say that this is about all oppressed people. You're contradicting yourself.

Every group of people have been oppressed, the only reason blacks are behind in the U.S is because they were oppressed systematically in the U.S in RECENT YEARS. It's sort of stupid to say that your people have been faced with the most, simply because of U.S history. The nation of Islam completely contradicts the teachings of Islam, in the sense that it's racially motivated when it shouldn't be.

You can't just say it's about blacks and then when questioned, say "Oh, it's about all who've been oppressed".
We are for justice from oppression of all people but we put black people at the forefront because they have received the worst oppression in the history of the world. Allah chooses the people who have been suffered and inflicted the most so he can show his power in making the tail the head

Separate from what they'd have nowhere to go. If your answer to refusal of the demands is to leave and land was one of the demands that wasn't granted where are they going?
The US has millions if not billions of acres of farmland for sale. We aren't leaving the country our ancestors built it
 
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I never heard about that

Man how much you don't get it. Watch Minister Farrakhans world friendship tour on YouTube. Every country other than America treats him like a head of state. Even the Russians. They put a wool coat on him and did a sword dance. Your saying he's not s real Muslim yet he spoke to billions in Iran in the 80s. You're speaking out of ignorance. I just suggest you learn more about the man before speaking down on him. And he has met with so called gangster rappers recently and as a result jeezy has made an album called politically correct and the game is talking about Gang unity. Let me be more clear also. The original people of the earth have been treated and oppressed the worse. Who said the Native Americans aren't original people? Who said the Mexicans aren't original people? Who said the middle eastern people aren't original people? I'm saying black in place of original
Theres that large number again after clearly being proven wrong that the attendance rate was in the thousands and slowly declined over the years.

The US has millions if not billions of acres of farmland for sale. We aren't leaving the country our ancestors built it
Okay, and then what will you do on the land? You'll still be under U.S jurisdiction. You'll get a bunch of people on some land to live there after you "Seperate" sounds like a cult akin to Jonestown.
 
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Dying there is considered more of a good thing than bad thing for Muslims though.


So basically all people are original except for white? I'm not white, but even I can see the racism in this. You can't just use the term black in place of original though as it sounds like because that may or may not have been the original race, you're superior for it.
There are actually studies that say white people didn't get here till 6,000 years ago. And there is no history for white people that goes beyond 6,000 years. America had native black people. Africa had native black people. Australia had native aboriginal people. China had native black people. South America had native black people. Europe had native black people. White people aren't native to any part of the planet. You ever heard of Mendels law? The aw that says black is dominant and white is recessive? Mendel is a white man. His law says that you cannot get black from white but you can get white from black . That's why white people cant have dark babies but backs can have a baby if any skin tone even albino. A scientist by the name of Leaky went into Africa and found bones that were millions of years old. Bones from black people. It is common knowledge that black people were on the earth first. White people came from original people. That's the only way you can get white. Black isn't a color. It is the origin of colors. Everything starts off black. Black is the purest form. Fire is a purifying agent. It breaks things down to their simplest form. When you burn something, it always turns black because black is the simplest and purest form of everything. You cannot get white in the purest and simplest form. White has to be created from black through a process. In The Nation of Islam it is taught that that was a process of genetic engineering 6,600 years ago called grafting.

Theres that large number again after clearly being proven wrong that the attendance rate was in the thousands and slowly declined over the years.
You're ignorant. Lmao man all I can do is laugh at you. I was there and it definitely was not a couple of thousand. A couple of thousand people will show up to a Beyoncé concert. I know what that looks like. It's funny your ignorant enough to go off of something aim64 stated. He'll do all he can to discredit the march and you'll been the chihuahua in the passenger seat to bark along side him while the car is going nowhere
 
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You're ignorant. Lmao man all I can do is laugh at you. I was there and it definitely was not a couple of thousand. A couple of thousand people will show up to a Beyoncé concert. I know what that looks like. It's funny your ignorant enough to go off of something aim64 stated. He'll do all he can to discredit the march and you'll been the chihuahua in the passenger seat to bark along side him while the car is going nowhere
Yes, cause the proof, sources, and links he posted didn't indicate that you were wrong in the slightest. So not only are you a militant racist, you're delusional as well.
Did you count every single person there?
 

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There are actually studies that say white people didn't get here till 6,000 years ago. And there is no history for white people that goes beyond 6,000 years. America had native black people. Africa had native black people. Australia had native aboriginal people. China had native black people. South America had native black people. Europe had native black people. White people aren't native to any part of the planet. You ever heard of Mendels law? The aw that says black is dominant and white is recessive? Mendel is a white man. His law says that you cannot get black from white but you can get white from black . That's why white people cant have dark babies but backs can have a baby if any skin tone even albino. A scientist by the name of Leaky went into Africa and found bones that were millions of years old. Bones from black people. It is common knowledge that black people were on the earth first. White people came from original people. That's the only way you can get white. Black isn't a color. It is the origin of colors. Everything starts off black. Black is the purest form. Fire is a purifying agent. It breaks things down to their simplest form. When you burn something, it always turns black because black is the simplest and purest form of everything. You cannot get white in the purest and simplest form. White has to be created from black through a process. In The Nation of Islam it is taught that that was a process of genetic engineering 6,600 years ago called grafting.
So how does that change that your statement was racist?

I said regardless of whether blacks were the "originals" or not, does not give them any rights, or justifications over any other race.

We are for justice from oppression of all people but we put black people at the forefront because they have received the worst oppression in the history of the world. Allah chooses the people who have been suffered and inflicted the most so he can show his power in making the tail the head
Ah, so you believe one day, you'll be the head? If that is true, it definitely won't be through this Justice or Else Movement. Farrakhan doesn't represent God. Otherwise, that would make him a messenger. And the title of the last messenger is reserved for the Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
 
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So how does that change that your statement was racist?

I said regardless of whether blacks were the "originals" or not, does not give them any rights, or justifications over any other race.
It wasn't a racist statement because I didn't make the statement based on race. I clearly said that blacks have had the worst oppression in the history of the world. That doesn't have to do with race. Well actually it does because the whites who did it, did it simply because they were black and strong. So they're the racist ones. Not to mention that after slavery when black went on their own and prospered in business, whites got so angry that in Tulsa Oklahoma they burned black Wall Street to the ground and murdered blacks. During the Jim Crow era 6,000 plus blacks were lynched. Can you guess what a black man could get lychee for during that time? Something as simple as looking at a white woman or looking a white man in the eyes. But I made the racist comment. Rethink that
 

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It wasn't a racist statement because I didn't make the statement based on race. I clearly said that blacks have had the worst oppression in the history of the world. That doesn't have to do with race. Well actually it does because the whites who did it, did it simply because they were black and strong. So they're the racist ones. Not to mention that after slavery when black went on their own and prospered in business, whites got so angry that in Tulsa Oklahoma they burned black Wall Street to the ground and murdered blacks. During the Jim Crow era 6,000 plus blacks were lynched. Can you guess what a black man could get lychee for during that time? Something as simple as looking at a white woman or looking a white man in the eyes. But I made the racist comment. Rethink that
Alright, cool, thanks for the history lesson, but that doesn't detract from the fact that you think blacks are oppressed and have to fight some imaginary enemy and separate. Oh, and that you think should America belong to a single group of racial groups and not a collection of citizens who come together to make decisions based on how they want things to be run.
 

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Alright, cool, thanks for the history lesson, but that doesn't detract from the fact that you think blacks are oppressed and have to fight some imaginary enemy and separate. Oh, and that you think should America belong to a single group of racial groups and not a collection of citizens who come together to make decisions based on how they want things to be run.
Your intelligence is like your avatar picture. I'll just leave that out there.
Who said we don't want unity? If the government doesn't give justice then the or else happens. Your ignorance doesn't even amuse me anymore
 

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Your intelligence is like your avatar picture. I'll just leave that out there.
Who said we don't want unity? If the government doesn't give justice then the or else happens. Your ignorance doesn't even amuse me anymore
My intelligence is silly, holding a gun, and happy?

I guess you're senile too since you've been saying "We'll separate" which is the opposite of being unified. Justice for what? The people wronged by the events you've described have long since been dead and so have the perpetrators of said crimes."Or Else" is something a terrorist would say before he blows shit the **** up when his demands aren't met. You're insanity never amused me to begin with. Dude, read the shit you typed. You sound like KRS-1 smoked crack, joined a terror cell, then got trounced by more than one person in debate, and after he was made to look the fool tried insulting another's intelligence.
 
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My intelligence is silly, holding a gun, and happy?

I guess you're senile too since you've been saying "We'll separate" which is the opposite of being unified. Justice for what? The people wronged by the events you've described have long since been dead and so have the perpetrators of said crimes."Or Else" is something a terrorist would say before he blows shit the **** up when his demands aren't met. You're insanity never amused me to begin with. Dude, read the shit you typed. You sound like KRS-1 smoked crack, joined a terror cell, then got trounced by more than one person in debate, and after he was made to look the fool tried insulting another's intelligence.
Separating from a government that is oppressing you is not stopping untiy. The black brown red yellow and poor white have a common enemy that we can unite against. If you're black, and don't know what you need Justice for, I have no reason to talk to you. As I said before your intelligence is just like your avatar

So how does that change that your statement was racist?

I said regardless of whether blacks were the "originals" or not, does not give them any rights, or justifications over any other race.


Ah, so you believe one day, you'll be the head? If that is true, it definitely won't be through this Justice or Else Movement. Farrakhan doesn't represent God. Otherwise, that would make him a messenger. And the title of the last messenger is reserved for the Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
Prophet Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him) was not the last Messenegr. The Quran and Bible are prophecy books. The wisdom of the Quran went just for 1400 years ago. If it was, then the book would be irrelevant today. Whenever a nation of the human family goes astray from Gods way, he sends a prophet or messenger. It would be an understatement to say America has strayed away from Gods way. I'll give you a little project. Watch a couple of The Honorable Minsiter Louis Farrakhans messages in the Middle East and tell me why you think. In fact, watch on YouTube when he spoke to billions in Iran
 
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Separating from a government that is oppressing you is not stopping untiy. The black brown red yellow and poor white have a common enemy that we can unite against. If you're black, and don't know what you need Justice for, I have no reason to talk to you. As I said before your intelligence is just like your avatar
You keep saying theres a enemy who we need to unite against and once again, you have yet to name or identify to anyone who this vague, yet supposedly menacing threat is. You live in America my friend, theres better ways to deal with your supposed problems than declaring you'll simply buy up land and then secede and think the government will be aight with that. You also never answered any of my earlier questions on page 3 of this thread I think it was. I'm starting to think YOU lack the intelligence to see why you're wrong and why this movement is retarded.
 
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