陰陽伝説: Naruto and Sasuke both win

[Lost Woods Denizen]

Yeah ive been saying that for a long time

Thank you for your response, and I would also appreciate if you could specify what you mean by "that".

 

[Honord Sage]

I would just like to correct that it was not Sasuke and Sakura, but rather Sasuke and Ino that were the top rookies in their graduating class. Also I don't think Sakura actually lost anything. Every one of her sentences in her self introduction had to do with Sasuke, so her dreams (limited as they might have been) came true. Being Tsunade's inheritor was simply the marshmallow in the hot cocoa. Sasuke, like I said above, completed his story once all the revenge he wanted was achieved, and in fact everything after the last fight of the valley of the end is just a daily bonus time for him. Time he spends doing, quite literally, what he wants (he does want konoha to prosper, but needs to travel.) Naruto's story only truly finished when he achieved his goal of hokage. Hinata showed us that her dream also came through. The four of them are happy.

What do you think?

You are wrong the manga has Sasuke as the male rocky of the year and Sakura as the Female rocky of the year because of Her grades,Sakura is book smart but field dum. Naruto is listed as the dead last and the Manga says you put the dead last with the top shinobi and top kunochi to balance out the team. Go read up on the Manga as Naruto ask why He was placed with Sasuke and Iruka gave the explanation.

 

[lndra]

Thank you for the response.

On this note I would like to build upon the discussion. I titled the thread as Naruto and Sasuke both win as a reference to the end of their stories. As I stated earlier, NARUTO the manga series was actually two stories in one that overlapped through the interactions of the main characters of each individual story. Naruto's story was a shonen story, and as such the story formula followed that he had to "win" in the end. And win Naruto did, as he both survived, and his goal survived. Naruto's goal was to be hokage, and he explicitly gave himself the stipulation that "if I can't save my one friend Sasuke, I can't become hokage." By Sasuke not killing himself, Naruto's goal as a shonen hero was more or less complete.

On the other hand, Sasuke's story was NOT a shonen manga story, but rather following the plot of a ninja genre plot. Consider all depictions of ninja stories that we have here in Japan across all mediums. From the movies (for example, the shinobi no mono films), to the games ( tenchu, shinobi, ryuuken den, etc.), to the novels (kouga ninpouchou for example), ninja stories are not tales of inspiration or adventure, but rather of tragedy. Shinobi tales depict not only the supernatural darkness, but the darkness of the human situation. Very often the tragedy aspect of shinobi is that their tales often take place and end in the darkness, and often the main characters die (with the world carrying on nonchalantly despite the character's struggle, hence the tragedy.) This background, mixed with Sasuke's tale, meant that EVEN IF SASUKE DIED in the end, him being the main character in a ninja story meant that this was acceptable. However Sasuke did NOT die. Because he broke from the mold of the ninja genre by surviving, he won as a character.

I will cut off at this point. What do you think?

When you put it that way, at least the conclusion was not exactly orthodox, but it still felt that way.

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

You are wrong the manga has Sasuke as the male rocky of the year and Sakura as the Female rocky of the year because of Her grades,Sakura is book smart but field dum. Naruto is listed as the dead last and the Manga says you put the dead last with the top shinobi and top kunochi to balance out the team. Go read up on the Manga as Naruto ask why He was placed with Sasuke and Iruka gave the explanation.

I would like to correct you on the Sakura misinformation that you wrote. Sakura was NOT the top kunoichi of their year, it was Ino. She had the best overall grades in the class because while Sasuke had the highest skills in combat related grades, he had some of the lowest in areas such as team work. Sasuke was indeed the rookie of the year though.

As for Naruto and Sasuke being on the same team, you are correct that the top shinobi and the lowest shinobi are placed together. However, that does not mean that the top kunoichi would be placed on that team, otherwise it would have to be Ino. I repeat, despite their later abilities and impact on the story, Ino was above Sakura in their class.

What do you think?

 

[Honord Sage]

I would like to correct you on the Sakura misinformation that you wrote. Sakura was NOT the top kunoichi of their year, it was Ino. She had the best overall grades in the class because while Sasuke had the highest skills in combat related grades, he had some of the lowest in areas such as team work. Sasuke was indeed the rookie of the year though.

As for Naruto and Sasuke being on the same team, you are correct that the top shinobi and the lowest shinobi are placed together. However, that does not mean that the top kunoichi would be placed on that team, otherwise it would have to be Ino. I repeat, despite their later abilities and impact on the story, Ino was above Sakura in their class.

What do you think?

Stop your delusional rant and READ the Manga,if Ino had ben Number one She would be on Sasuke team. What is wrong with people today too lazy to verify with the Manga Must be a Liberal Democratic thing that can't face reality that facts don't exist.

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

Stop your delusional rant and READ the Manga,if Ino had ben Number one She would be on Sasuke team. What is wrong with people today too lazy to verify with the Manga Must be a Liberal Democratic thing that can't face reality that facts don't exist.

I am neither delusional nor am I lazy in verifying facts. I will send you a link to our Japanese wiki of Ino.

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This link, at the end of the second paragraph, states that Ino graduated the academy at the TOP of all other kunoichi. Ino was the TOP kunoichi of her graduating year. Sakura eventually grew to surpass Ino, but that does not change the fact that when they graduated Ino was the top kunoichi of their year. I now ask you to return the favor and show me where it is stated, manga or otherwise, that Sakura was the top kunoichi of their graduating year (it would be even more helpful if you showed where it was stated that the BOTH the top kunoichi and top shinobi of the class are grouped with the lowest student in the class. As far as we are told, the top and bottom only refers to the top student overall and the bottom student overall, and the third person can be assume to be somewhere in the middle for balance.

 

[Jhin]

Sasuke was top, Sakura was middling, Naruto was bottom. That's pretty much how they graduated.

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

Sasuke was top, Sakura was middling, Naruto was bottom. That's pretty much how they graduated.

I can agree with this. The top students of the year were Sasuke, Shino, and Ino.

 

[Honord Sage]

I am neither delusional nor am I lazy in verifying facts. I will send you a link to our Japanese wiki of Ino.

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This link, at the end of the second paragraph, states that Ino graduated the academy at the TOP of all other kunoichi. Ino was the TOP kunoichi of her graduating year. Sakura eventually grew to surpass Ino, but that does not change the fact that when they graduated Ino was the top kunoichi of their year. I now ask you to return the favor and show me where it is stated, manga or otherwise, that Sakura was the top kunoichi of their graduating year (it would be even more helpful if you showed where it was stated that the BOTH the top kunoichi and top shinobi of the class are grouped with the lowest student in the class. As far as we are told, the top and bottom only refers to the top student overall and the bottom student overall, and the third person can be assume to be somewhere in the middle for balance.

Its a lie a fake Read the Manga instead this is by the same people who claim Sakura would marry Naruto and Sasuke would end up being the New Orochimaru a fan base creation.

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

Its a lie a fake Read the Manga instead this is by the same people who claim Sakura would marry Naruto and Sasuke would end up being the New Orochimaru a fan base creation.

It would be helpful if you replied with any information that shows your opinion. A manga link, or anything of the sort would be helpful.

 

[Honord Sage]

It would be helpful if you replied with any information that shows your opinion. A manga link, or anything of the sort would be helpful.

Not opinon Maga is canon article is not. Read manga for its canon and canon is truth and you can't change canon. To argue against canon is not logical nor rational.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Not opinon Maga is canon article is not. Read manga for its canon and canon is truth and you can't change canon. To argue against canon is not logical nor rational.

he's right...sasuke was tops in all grade except teamwork which is why ino came in at the top with sasuke...sakura did not graduate at the top of her class because she lacked combat skills...this was stated in 1 of the databooks...I'll find a link to it for you too

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

Not opinon Maga is canon article is not. Read manga for its canon and canon is truth and you can't change canon. To argue against canon is not logical nor rational.

I've read the manga. But it would probably help me understand your opinion if you provided some sort of evidence. Again, since you are saying it is in the manga, you can show me where. A link or scan would be the most helpful.

 

[Honord Sage]

I've read the manga. But it would probably help me understand your opinion if you provided some sort of evidence. Again, since you are saying it is in the manga, you can show me where. A link or scan would be the most helpful.

Its not opinion it fact Iruka explain why Sasuke is Male Rookie of the year for His well rounded scores,His grades. That Sakura is the Female Rookie because of Her Book smart in theories. You must also remember 99% of the Females in Naruto's Class had only one goal in life Getting Sasuke as a husband,dam being a Konoiche. Both Sakura and Ino proved in the chunin exam proved their lack of skill in taijutsu. Only one female in Naruto's class had decent tajuitsu Hinata,Her problem was lack of confidence in Her self other wise She be the female of the year. Iruka said the Male and Female rookies of the year are place together with the Dead last as to balance the team. Stop saying opinion, opinion dose not beat a fact a canon in anything.

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

Its not opinion it fact Iruka explain why Sasuke is Male Rookie of the year for His well rounded scores,His grades. That Sakura is the Female Rookie because of Her Book smart in theories. You must also remember 99% of the Females in Naruto's Class had only one goal in life Getting Sasuke as a husband,dam being a Konoiche. Both Sakura and Ino proved in the chunin exam proved their lack of skill in taijutsu. Only one female in Naruto's class had decent tajuitsu Hinata,Her problem was lack of confidence in Her self other wise She be the female of the year. Iruka said the Male and Female rookies of the year are place together with the Dead last as to balance the team. Stop saying opinion, opinion dose not beat a fact a canon in anything.

Iruka explained Sasuke. Sakura was never specially mentioned. I am not discussing their display of skill during the chunin exam or any other time, but rather, their graduating ranking. Ino was ahead of Sakura, as book smarts were not the only criteria in their grading system. Iruka did not mention anything about a female rookie being placed with the dead last of the year, only THE best rookie being placed.

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This is a link to a page from Ino's data. The first sentence clearly says, as I've been saying earlier, Ino had the highest grades among all the kunoichi in the class when they were in the academy. Tsunade training Sakura put her ahead of Ino. She had the highest grades overall, losing ONLY to Sasuke in nin, tai, and gen jutsu. In teamwork and attitude she scored higher than him.

 

[Honord Sage]

Iruka explained Sasuke. Sakura was never specially mentioned. I am not discussing their display of skill during the chunin exam or any other time, but rather, their graduating ranking. Ino was ahead of Sakura, as book smarts were not the only criteria in their grading system. Iruka did not mention anything about a female rookie being placed with the dead last of the year, only THE best rookie being placed.

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This is a link to a page from Ino's data. The first sentence clearly says, as I've been saying earlier, Ino had the highest grades among all the kunoichi in the class when they were in the academy. Tsunade training Sakura put her ahead of Ino. She had the highest grades overall, losing ONLY to Sasuke in nin, tai, and gen jutsu. In teamwork and attitude she scored higher than him.

Naruto Manga number 3 page 11 entitle Sasuke and the Anime of the Manga. As Kishi always expanded in the anime what He did not have time in the Manga. PS. Your link is a major computer virus site,good thing I have multiple layers of protection.