Location: Third Training Ground Distance: 15 meters. State of Mind: To Kill. Knowledge: Manga. Restrictions: Bee is limited to only V1, Kakashi can only use Kamui on enemy techniques but not the enemies themselves, Guy is
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Kakashi and Darui is a even match up on paper but Kakashi has advantages over his opponent in this battle Kakashi's superior intellect and speed would come in useful against Darui as Kakashi always starts his fights off with a Bushin to test his opponent before the real Kakashi joins the battle and just through a clone Kakashi is able to learn alot about his opponents as seen in his battle against Pain, [
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]. Also Kakashi has quicker hand seal speed than Darui and thus can pull of jutsu much quicker than Darui can and given the distance and Kakashi's speed he would be able to pull off a surprise Raikiri to Darui. Also the location is close to water and Kakashi has copied some powerful Suiton of Zabuza and Kisame [
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] and has been shown to use them just as good as Kisame and Zabuza and given the distance Kakashi would be able to use Water Release: Great Waterfall Technique to drown Darui and even though Darui has shown a suiton his suiton is only B rank while Kakashi's is a A rank and A rank, overpowers the B rank jutsu and while the waterfall is hitting Darui, Kakashi can use Lightning Beast Running Jutsu on Darui on the ground and as we all know Lightning has a unique relation with water, since water conducts electricity. This means that a Water Release technique can be used to increase the damage of a Lightning Release technique and vice versa which would electorcute Darui.
Kakashi's bushin feints would also be useful against Darui as Kakashi can use multiple types he can use Water clones [
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to keep Darui distracted, while the real Kakashi hides underground and surprise attack Darui from underground by using the Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique to rob of his freedom [
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Might Gai
As we have seen before Gai can open the Gates extremely quick [
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] and once the gates are open Gai's speed dramatically increases and his attacks also become stronger and while in six gates is able to blitz top ninja such as Kisame who has good reactions quite easily:
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Gai's boost in strength gives him an advantage over Bee who fights close range just like Gai, and Gai who specializes in Taijutsu will be able to outdo Bee in Close Quarter Combat especially with the boost in Power from using Gates and Gai can use powerful Taijutsu moves such as Violent — Leaf Adamantine-Strength Whirlwind which is a severe and quick roundhouse kick which luckily for Obito phased through him because if it didn't that would of knocked him down and from really close distance would be guaranteed to hit Bee:
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Also Gai's can his Leaf Rock-Destroying rise which was strong enough to destroy coral to knock Bee down [
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Kakashi and Gai's teamwork
As seen in their battle against the seven swordsmen and edo jins Kakashi and Gai's moveset complement each other well and given the distance and the outstanding speed of these two they could quickly blitz their opposition with there Raikiri and Sixth Gate Taijutsu combination:
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And Kakashi and Gai show a clear understanding of each other's techniques and good chemistry between each other plus trust which are good ingredients for a tag team
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] and at close distance their combine attacks would cause a great amount of damage especially if they combine their Lightning Transmisson and Asa Kujaku it would definitely deal with their opponents:
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Anything beyond this point is just spam. Lets just sit back and watch the show, Man.
@Izuna Kakashi Senju - I believe Draegod is working on his argument because he asked me question about Bee. So I expect he'll be posting sometime today or tomorrow.
@Izuna Kakashi Senju - I believe Draegod is working on his argument because he asked me question about Bee. So I expect he'll be posting sometime today or tomorrow.
Sorry its Graduation week for my brother and im a bit tied up. Ill start with a small opening tonight.
To start everything off i will Ignore the Hype Intro on characters that many Like to give. Don't have time to BS, so Ima get straight to the point of my Argument!
In the Situation Bee and Darui are in, we will plan accordingly and come with a strategy to benefit the limitation we are in! Are strategy is simple and effective! Darui will Jump back and distance himself from the lot of them, while Bee takes the front and prepares for battle. Basically it will be a 2 vs Bee situation! Its a reason they will do this...
Both Kakashi and Guy are both Great at taijutsu but at the end of the day Bee is better and they cannot kill him!
Durability Feats:
While Guy is Fast and strong (gates and base), Bee's endurance is beyond anything they can dish out! And Kakshi is simply not making Bee Budge in base!
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As seen in the fight with sasuke a Point blank kick couldnt Budge Bee in the slightest! Although Kakashi is great in taijutsu skill, he lacks power and strength to make Bee budge! And as seen with one of the best sharingan users of the series (sasuke), Kakashi will not bee able to match Bee's Swordsmanship skills! He will be either force to use Clone feints or retreat and try to fight from a distance.
As seen
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, Bee endured a Super powerful Punch from Juugo and didnt move, it took Juugo to power up the force behind the punch to finally move bee as seen
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(which was able to destroy the ground easily, and bee still tanked it as seen
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He is also able to Tank his Brothers super "V2" Lariat and not Die
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. And also tank a super powerful Elbow and still counter attack!
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! And also a sneak attack "Chop" (that destroyed sasuke btw)
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And was also able to Tank a pretty big Shinra tensei
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. And let me remind you a similar or smaller shinra tensei killed choji's dad and severely injured kakashi too the point he could no longer move as seen
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. Infact, he tanked it with ease and was able to counter attack as well! And keep in mind this is all Base form bee! I will bring up anything else if needed later!
Speed Feats:
As seen in his Sasuke Altercation He is very very fast and noted to be so by Sasuke. He was able to escape from a sneak attack and get very very very far from the situation with out trying like it was child's play
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He also has been seen to match his brother super fast punch seen
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, saving naruto at the last second!
Although he may not be faster then Gate Guy, he is definitely faster then kakashi! He also has supreme reflexes That rival Minato's! On multiple occasions saving naruto in the current war, and saved his brother from a FTg Strike to the back at the last second! He even was able to stalemate with minato in the reflex counter department
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. So nothing Kakshi would do could surprise faster then FTG!
Power/Strength Feats:
His power is immensely great! Able to Overpower Aye in "V2" form and knock him back in a pure power contest
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And i want even Mention V1 feats..
So overall in the standard departments Aye is not being defeated if he goes 2 vs 1! meanwhile!
From a distance:
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Darui Shoots Laser circus Accurately aiding Bee in his Combat!
Darui is noted to be a great leader and never makes any mistakes in battle (similar to kakashi's character). He may be laid back, but is not to be slept on!
Speed Feat:
He has been shown to blitz Kinkaku/Ginkaku
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to save his friend and use a fast ninjutsu
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Also shown Blitzing Sasuke with Raikage
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Saving Shee
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Offense:
His jutsu speed is shown to be elite
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! And that will play a huge part if he is forced into combat!
And The reason Bee is doing the most is because.. Well... Darui has no feats compared to kakashi/Guy! (dont know why he is even in this tourney tbh). But bee is more then enough!
With Bee protecting/helping and fighting and Darui doing the same. They cannot lose! This is my opening i guess.
Some good points Draegod however there are some things you overlooked.
Countering Durability:
Bee may be quite durable however Gai has a five in strength in the databook and as we know by entering the gates Gai gets a boost in strength and speed and as durable as Bee is he won't be able to survive Asa Kujaku which is a sure kill technique without any healing abilities Bee won't be able to recover from the attack which finished Kisame(30% clone) off [
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Bee might have endured a powerful punch from Jugo but, Gai in Sixth gates possess more strength than Juugo especially when Gai was harming V2 Jins [
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] chakra arms as well with Morning Peacock [
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] he won't be able to take Gai's attacks in Gates without some Pain.
Although it may be true that Kakashi's Taijutsu may not harm Bee, Kakashi's ninjutsu would be useful especially as Bee would have trouble dealing with Gai alone plus Kakashi can use a Lightning clone to keep Bee busy [
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] once the clone is defeated it stuns the opponent and once Bee is stunned Gai can finish him with Morning Peacock. Also Kakashi has tanked a Shinra Tensei himself:
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Countering Speed Feats:
It may be true that Bee is fast but Kakashi and Gai are no slow coaches, Kakashi has shown that he can keep up with V2 Jins who are quite fast themselves without much difficulty and has good reaction time himself being able to intercept with assistance from Gai the attack of three or four jins [
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] having difficulty keeping up with base Fū:
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Darui is quite quick fast himself but isn't as quick as Kakashi or Gai and Gated Gai can blitz Darui and finish him with a Koyubi Kōgeki which was powerful enough to knock down the Gedo Mazo statue [
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] and Darui hasn't shown the reaction to be able to intercept Gated Gai's attack especially with the distance being quite close. And also Kakashi has shown good reaction time himself and can react quick enough to stop some of Bee's attacks such as when he intercepted Pain's attack to save Iruka [
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] Countering Power/Strength feats:
Even if Darui manages to make distance his laser circus isn't quick enough to catch Kakashi and Gai out, especially as the laser's are quite slow and can be evaded or Kamui'd away by Kakashi who has intercepted moves way faster than moves the Laser Circus such as Susano'o arrow:
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It's true that Bee is physically stronger than both Kakashi and Gai but if he tries dealing with them both in CQC he would regret that especially as a Six Gates Gai's attacks would be inflicting alot of damage and if he takes his eye of Kakashi the next thing he knows he will see Kakashi and his lightning clone charging at him with Lightning Transmission which has already been shown to do alot of damage as seen against the V2 Jins:
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Countering Offense:
Darui has quite quick hand seals speed but Kakashi has been shown to have the second quickest Hand Seals speed (after Itachi) as he has pulled off defensive and offensive jutsu with good hand seal speed [
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] against powerful foes, also Kakashi can pull off Jutsu which require a tremendous amount of seals in mere seconds such as Suiton: Suiryūdan no Jutsu which requires 44 hand seals [
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Some good points Draegod however there are some things you overlooked.
Countering Durability:
Bee may be quite durable however Gai has a five in strength in the databook and as we know by entering the gates Gai gets a boost in strength and speed and as durable as Bee is he won't be able to survive Asa Kujaku which is a sure kill technique without any healing abilities Bee won't be able to recover from the attack which finished Kisame(30% clone) off [
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Bee might have endured a powerful punch from Jugo but, Gai in Sixth gates possess more strength than Juugo especially when Gai was harming V2 Jins [
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] chakra arms as well with Morning Peacock [
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] he won't be able to take Gai's attacks in Gates without some Pain.
Although it may be true that Kakashi's Taijutsu may not harm Bee, Kakashi's ninjutsu would be useful especially as Bee would have trouble dealing with Gai alone plus Kakashi can use a Lightning clone to keep Bee busy [
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] once the clone is defeated it stuns the opponent and once Bee is stunned Gai can finish him with Morning Peacock. Also Kakashi has tanked a Shinra Tensei himself:
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Countering Speed Feats:
It may be true that Bee is fast but Kakashi and Gai are no slow coaches, Kakashi has shown that he can keep up with V2 Jins who are quite fast themselves without much difficulty and has good reaction time himself being able to intercept with assistance from Gai the attack of three or four jins [
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] having difficulty keeping up with base Fū:
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Darui is quite quick fast himself but isn't as quick as Kakashi or Gai and Gated Gai can blitz Darui and finish him with a Koyubi Kōgeki which was powerful enough to knock down the Gedo Mazo statue [
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] and Darui hasn't shown the reaction to be able to intercept Gated Gai's attack especially with the distance being quite close. And also Kakashi has shown good reaction time himself and can react quick enough to stop some of Bee's attacks such as when he intercepted Pain's attack to save Iruka [
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] Countering Power/Strength feats:
Even if Darui manages to make distance his laser circus isn't quick enough to catch Kakashi and Gai out, especially as the laser's are quite slow and can be evaded or Kamui'd away by Kakashi who has intercepted moves way faster than moves the Laser Circus such as Susano'o arrow:
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It's true that Bee is physically stronger than both Kakashi and Gai but if he tries dealing with them both in CQC he would regret that especially as a Six Gates Gai's attacks would be inflicting alot of damage and if he takes his eye of Kakashi the next thing he knows he will see Kakashi and his lightning clone charging at him with Lightning Transmission which has already been shown to do alot of damage as seen against the V2 Jins:
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Countering Offense:
Darui has quite quick hand seals speed but Kakashi has been shown to have the second quickest Hand Seals speed (after Itachi) as he has pulled off defensive and offensive jutsu with good hand seal speed [
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] against powerful foes, also Kakashi can pull off Jutsu which require a tremendous amount of seals in mere seconds such as Suiton: Suiryūdan no Jutsu which requires 44 hand seals [
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]. And with Kakashi having quicker hand seals he can pull off jutsu quicker than Darui and use Water Release:Water Grandfall Jutsu as a diversion then send his Lightning Beast onto the water to electrocute Darui.
Also good points but allot of out of context feats!
If base Bee can tank His brothers full power in V1/V2 form nothing they have shown should be able to harm him in base (unless your saying 6 gate Guy is more powerful then "V2" Aye...). But even if i was to take that statement serious, In V1.. Well ill list All V1 Feats:
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V1 Defense-
While in V1, You automatically have added protection From powerful Ninjutsu especially Fire.
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As seen in the Sasuke fight a Weak V1 1 tail was able to easily tank any fire attack sasuke would use. And to further prove; 2 of the best fire jutsu's ever shown was tanked and actually saved the shinobi alliance from being "burnt to a toast"- Choji.
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And was also able to protect them from basically a Major OP natural Disaster! And Btw Bee was in V1 form aswell when tanking the Juubi explosion and Madara & Obito OP Fire techs.
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So in short, Morning peacock will never ever kill nor come close to harming Bee while in V1 with added def, when in base he can tank the strongest Male alive aye (his dad is probably the strongest male ever) strongest hits! Basically his V1 def renders any attack Guy has shown useless in the entire fight!
V1 Offense-
V1 offense in general is OP as fug since you have the ability to mold your chakra into longer and added arms/tails. Or in bee's case a 1 hit K.O. Lariot 2 headed bull to the chest!
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Bee can literally use this to grab kakashi and hit him with a
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. Whether its a clone or not, kakashi will suffer. Ill explain why later..
He also is shown to match V1 Raikage when using the Lariat
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. That basically shows how much faster in V1 he gets! And the damage he can cause in V1 is able to shatter the ground and destroy hill/small mountain with ease
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So basically the cloak allows him to be fully protected as well as making almost any move a 1 hit K.O. move to end it! Then you forget one important feat that was not listed....
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SAMAHADA!!!
With this nothing they do will be enough to kill Killer Bee!
Samahada Feats:
Offense:
Samahada and bee have an amazing offense together to defeat almost anyone in Taijutsu or close combat! As seen
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Samahada can attack and move on its own and adsorb any ninjutsu/chakra with in range! That means Kakshi's Liaghting techs are literally useless against Bee during the entire fight! Not only that, kakashi now has no outs in harming Bee!
Samahada's handle (or tail) is also able to strech and follow/chase its targets for added extra offense, that will always distrat so bee can use his Light sword daggers to attack for almost instant death (unless you have the sharinagn AND Rinnegan shared vision)! And also has to ability to attack on its own by growing spikes
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Samahada's Healing and def:
Thanks to samaha's ability to give chakra to heal any and all wounds as seen
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he will be able to survive anything they dish with ease no difficulty! And he also restores stamina and energy so they can quickly recover from almost any attack seen
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and with these feats he can also heal Darui if need be we can assume (if he has to ofc).
Bee fighting them and winning at the same time while Darui aids him:
Now with that being said. Bee has been shown to fight 3 great ninjas at the same time and one of them being an elite sharingan user like sasuke
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. He also was able to tank a chidori fused with water and survive since he is also lightning affinity!
Not only does he have better reflexes then them (we can assume, since he match minato's reflex in ftg). He has samahada as added suport and his constant throwing of his lighting swords! He also has the ability to spam octopus legs:
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He can pretty much do this to them all the time when in close combat no matter how fast or "skilled" they are since he can tank/heal anything they do to him! From under ground as well as from behind, he can grab them. If you add V1 as well, its extra speed to it and more damage!
Now to continue to my original argument not that you and everyone know about the V1 Feats and samahada.
Listing all your feats or flaws:
1. Guy kicking V2 jins isnt a feat, since he didnt do real damage to make there edo ashes show like
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. All he did was hit it hard, and since it was air born that isnt a feat since it was stable to tank with his legs.
2. Kakashi using lighting anything is tanked! SInce he tanked water plus lighting chidori
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. And with samahada he takes teh lighting from his lighting attacks aswell.
When kakashi uses lightning clone.... Not only is it tanked; it could be healed. But the bad part is..
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His chakra is literally halved! and thats an extreme amount to use! SO that is a plus for bee, since he will survive it!
3. kakashi never tanked shinra tensei, he was never hit or close enough to be affected when deva deflected all their attacks. The plan was to make him waist it and use that strategy they used. when he was in point blank range like bee was, he damn near died and couldnt move! While bee made it look like he was puched down and got back up!
4. When kakashi was fighting the v2 jins, none of them were moving fast! Matter a fact, kakashi/Guy were the ones attacking and being the aggressor. While the jins counter attacked and knocked them back
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so that isnt a feat to brag about since they lost the exchange with teh jin's in close combat.
5. Fuu was extremely fast in teh air with teh humming bird like wings. Bee actually kept up and even was able to almost land a K.O. lighting sword twice
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if not for the rinnegans linked vision as noted
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. SO in short he wasnt out sped, nor was she too fast. He was the faster one!
6. Guy only was noted to harm the Gedo mazous Hand. That is why he stated "little finger attack". So in short he did not do serious damage to teh gedo like naruto who uppercut the gedo.
7. Darui is actually not dumb and with bee's added extra def with tentacles (able to save his bro from space time ninjutsu
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8. Darui's laser circus isnt slow and has been noted to be
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. And they are guided to go/turn any where he wants them to! So in short there is no dodging that jutsu since it will not be tanked and its directing can be turned instantly! You underestimate the ability of that jutsu! Kakshi cannot Kamui 11 laser beams all guided accurately to his will! In short that would be a waist of kamui and chakra!
Darui is also great at close combat, and with his almost instant laser circus plus bee's offense and def it is basically a deadly combo for anyone to avoid!!!!!! He then can also use the Black panther to attack kakashi with its size and range!
Bee countering everything that they use that you listed:
1. Bee tanks everything with V1 def and Samahada
2. Bee is shown to fight multiple elite ninjas with ease in base!
3. Bee is shown to tank basically any taijutsu ever shown from some of the best!
4. Bee is too fast for kakashi and can make him waist chakra with clones
5. Darui's added accurately guided FAST beams will aid in bes def from any possible blind spot! and Bee can easily protect Darui like he protected his brother Aye from minato. And helped naruto vs the vs obito.
To end this!
Bee also has Ink clone sealing techs that cover on contact!
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And just in case you are unsure if bee can use it. Keep in mind:
1. Its "one of "BEE'S" MANY SEALING TECHS. Not stated that the 8 tails can only do it.
2. Bee can spam ink like its nothing as seen
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With this tech he will easily be able to fight the 2 of them easily! And with daruis help and vice versa they make a deadly combo to end the 2 of them!
Gai is the perfect Counter for Samehada as Gai mainly uses Taijutsu, thus Samehada would be ineffective against him. Also Gai can knock Samehada out of Bee's hand with his Super Leaf Adamantine Cyclone and Kakashi can Kamui Samehada out of the battle.
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Also Bee hasn't shown mastery over Samehada like Kisame has and has only been shown to absorb Itachi's C rank Fireball jutsu which he struggled to absorb and Kakashi has multiple B-S rank jutsu up his sleeve to use against Bee and Darui.
Plus if Bee was capable of dodging Samehada's attacks
[
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] and Gai>Bee in speed then Gai would be able to dodge it's attack.
Counter for V1 Defense/Offense
The V1 defense is quite good but you are overrating it. Kakashi's Lightning Transmission was able to cut through V2 Chakra arms with ease:
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And if he cut through V2 Jins then he can definitely do that to Bee in V1. And despite Bee in V1 being quicker than Kakashi with the Sharingan, Kakashi can read Bee's movements [
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], and Kakashi would be able to formulate a plan to take Bee down. Also Kakashi can use his smoke bomb attached to his kunai or use multiple kunai's [
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] to blind Bee and Darui and use the silent killing technique during the commotion to deal with Darui, then Gai can catch Bee of guard and hit him with a Reverse Lotus.
Also Bee would have difficulty grabbing Kakashi as Kakashi is a tricky opponent and has the needed intellect to confuse Bee, and his bushin feints and hiding underground and pop out from nowhere would confuse Bee:
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Also remember Raikiri is more powerful than Chidori and Chidori was able to pierce to Pierce a V1 A [
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] it would of done more damage as more chakra is put into the Raikiri and also the only reason Chidori didn't do much damage to Bee is because, Chidori can also be used to simply give the opponent a large electrical shock without impaling them, which is why it didn't do much damage.Plus if Chidori was able to pierce through Ay's armour and Raikiri is more powerful than Chidori; Ay would have been Severely damaged if he was fighting Kakashi unless your saying V1 Bee is more durable than Ay.
Bee fighting them and losing at the same time while Darui also gets owned lol:
Juugo,Taka Sasuke and Suigetsu aren't in the same league as 6 Gates Gai and Current Kakashi, as Gai and Kakashi were able to hold their own against six Edo Jins and defeat the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist while Team Taka were struggling with Base Bee and Kakashi and Gai have the qualities to take Bee in base down. Gai's quick Taijutsu moves would work as they were able to send [
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], if this connects Bee would be pushed right into a surprise Raikiri like [
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]. Darui would be a useful support to Bee but he would be outclassed by Kakashi especially in the field of Taijutsu and Kakashi has been able to match Hidan in Taijutsu [
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] plus able to send Zabuza flying with a simple kick [
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] and has been able to hold back a blade as huge as Kubikiribōchō with just a kunai [
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], and Darui's blade isn't as heavy as Zabuza's and Kakashi would be able to make a clone during the clash just as quick as he did here [
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], and finish Darui with a Raikiri.
Listing all your feats or flaws:
1.Laser Circus can easily be evaded by Kakashi and Gai.
2.Raikiri and Lightning Transmission have both shown to pierce or rip through the opponent with ease [
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3.The underestimation of Morning Peacock which Bee would not be able to dodge or tank easily and this is what will happen if he tries to block it:
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4.Kakashi's chakra level had improved from the Pain arc arc as seen in his the war.
5.I never said Darui was dumb just that Kakashi would outsmart him and discover his abilities as seen [
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Countering Ink Clones:
This technique does have a weakness as it takes three seconds before the targets are completely sealed, providing a small opportunity for them to escape. And Gai can break out with his strength and Kakashi can break out by using Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique.
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Gai is the perfect Counter for Samehada as Gai mainly uses Taijutsu, thus Samehada would be ineffective against him. Also Gai can knock Samehada out of Bee's hand with his Super Leaf Adamantine Cyclone and Kakashi can Kamui Samehada out of the battle.
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Also Bee hasn't shown mastery over Samehada like Kisame has and has only been shown to absorb Itachi's C rank Fireball jutsu which he struggled to absorb and Kakashi has multiple B-S rank jutsu up his sleeve to use against Bee and Darui.
Plus if Bee was capable of dodging Samehada's attacks
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Counter for V1 Defense/Offense
The V1 defense is quite good but you are overrating it. Kakashi's Lightning Transmission was able to cut through V2 Chakra arms with ease:
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And if he cut through V2 Jins then he can definitely do that to Bee in V1. And despite Bee in V1 being quicker than Kakashi with the Sharingan, Kakashi can read Bee's movements [
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Also Bee would have difficulty grabbing Kakashi as Kakashi is a tricky opponent and has the needed intellect to confuse Bee, and his bushin feints and hiding underground and pop out from nowhere would confuse Bee:
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Also remember Raikiri is more powerful than Chidori and Chidori was able to pierce to Pierce a V1 A [
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] it would of done more damage as more chakra is put into the Raikiri and also the only reason Chidori didn't do much damage to Bee is because, Chidori can also be used to simply give the opponent a large electrical shock without impaling them, which is why it didn't do much damage.Plus if Chidori was able to pierce through Ay's armour and Raikiri is more powerful than Chidori; Ay would have been Severely damaged if he was fighting Kakashi unless your saying V1 Bee is more durable than Ay.
Bee fighting them and losing at the same time while Darui also gets owned lol:
Juugo,Taka Sasuke and Suigetsu aren't in the same league as 6 Gates Gai and Current Kakashi, as Gai and Kakashi were able to hold their own against six Edo Jins and defeat the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist while Team Taka were struggling with Base Bee and Kakashi and Gai have the qualities to take Bee in base down. Gai's quick Taijutsu moves would work as they were able to send [
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Listing all your feats or flaws:
1.Laser Circus can easily be evaded by Kakashi and Gai.
2.Raikiri and Lightning Transmission have both shown to pierce or rip through the opponent with ease [
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3.The underestimation of Morning Peacock which Bee would not be able to dodge or tank easily and this is what will happen if he tries to block it:
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4.I never said Darui was dumb just that Kakashi would outsmart him and discover his abilities as seen [
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Countering Ink Clones:
This technique does have a weakness as it takes three seconds before the targets are completely sealed, providing a small opportunity for them to escape. And Gai can break out with his strength and Kakashi can break out by using Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique.
PS: My next post will be my last as I need to prepare for my exam on Monday.
You misunderstood my strategy with Samahada. I wasnt going to use it as a weapon per say against Guy or kakashi. He is more of a Decoy (as seen with his fight with fu (sharinagn user) he could have
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) or used to heal me AND darui (one could assume). Basically if Bee was to take any damage (even though he can tank basically everything you've listed), he will be instantly healed and stamina will be as well (even though he has better stamina then the both of them combined times 4!).
And say if you were to some how knock samahada away from bee. I have 3 choices
A. Use easy fast Octopus tentacle to grab it back and counter attack
B. Samahada will come back on its own
C. Darui will temperately protect it
Either way, Samahada will be protected.
Then you state Gai is faster then bee, He may be faster then Base bee, but Bee is more agile and easily has better reflexes (as seen in the Minata vs A B fight). You confuse Speed and reflexes. Guy may be fast, but unlike Aye and Bee he doesnt have better reflexes. (Aye reflexes are so good the sharingan can not keep up
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and Bee matched that speed accurately in V1 form stated by kisame/zetsu
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. So as you can see V1 Bee is about the same as Aye "v1". So he is no slow poke when compared to 6 gate guy.
V1 Countering-Counter!
You seem to not understand the machanics behind V1 and V2. V2 is basically the Bijuu's chakra compressed in Human
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So in short while in V2 you can do crazy stuff with the chakra that are similar to V1, such as:
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making extra chakra arms similar to the ones kakashi took down. Now my point is, it is pure chakra, not Real PHYSICAL ARM WITH pure chakra surrounding it! Its like a Armour with no human in it to make it more durable/stable or harder to penetrate.
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As you can see, he still has his REAL arms. So basically it is a good feat, but it never harmed his real arms surrounded by chakra. Beealready showed the ability to tank the strongest man alive V2 hits! Unless your stating Guy or kakashi have a move that is stronger then his hits. He can tank their hits:
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You underestimate bee's in particular endurance! He is a beast!!!
You then state kakashi has the silent killing tech like The seven swordsman? No he doesn't nor does it compare. He is good at sneak attacks, but not instant kills Up front (when they know they are fighting him). Smoke bombs are useless since he can and will blitz through it! He is too fast for kaakshi, and with Darui its an extra set of eyes they have to deal with. That smoke trick worked on pain because pain is a stationary fighter. not great at taijutsu and does not do the chasing. Bee and Darui are quite fast and will also jump out of the smoke, we will not let you too half your way.
You underestimate Daruis speed and reflexes. Although he may not be faster, he isnt a easy target with cheat tactics. It will take much more then that to kill darui! Especially when bee has his back (as seen protecting/helping Aye from FTG minato (fastest ninja ever!)).
You forget Bee's reflex skills are ELITE! And better then Guy and possibly kakashi! Cheap clone feints and underground attacks will never work. And he as well has The Tentacle underground surprising them aswell.
Lightning Blade/edge and chidori are the same tech! Neither are better then the other btw.
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From Guy's mouth they are the same tech, just two differ names. And as seen
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he not only tanked it, he tanked it with water added and in base form not serious!!! And keep in mind the databook has sasuke and kakashi even in speed and strength (and thats Hebi sauske feats, not Taka that fought bee). So if bee can tank sasukes, kakashi's should be no different unless you have proof stating his is better/stronger even though
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is where they are compared the same. SO in short, That jutsu isnt harming bee!
Kakashi and Guy had the help of an entire division to fight the 7 swordsman. So that statement and hype is null and void (they would have been dead if not for the entire divisions help!).
Kakashi and Guy did not take on all 6 edo Jinjurikis. They were fighting ONE at a time, not all 6 vs them 2 (fact).
Guy kicking Kisame is nothing to brag bout. Since Kisame and itachi did not know he was there, and it was a surprise attack. Anybody can be successful with a surprise attack if the opponent does not know you exist in the fight to begin with. And you forget, bee has tentacles to grab Guy if anything where to connect
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as well as the 7/8 V1 tails to counter attack or grab as well. And you act as though Bee cannot keep up with guy, when he is able to keep up with his brother Aye while in V1 form. And such cheap tactics with Darui helping will never work since a lighting Shuriken
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will throw a wrench in their plans with a simple strategy every time!
Then you bring up the Kakuzu scene... -___-... You do know Kakuzu literally did not know he existed on the battle field right until he was stabbed? And it was a successful sneak attack because 1) he was distracted by multiple opponents 2) Kakashi lightning>earth 3) Kakuzu did not expect nor see him ever before the attack. Now since kakashi is so good at that strategy, why did it not work the entire fight after that?... Because kakuzu now knew he waw their! He never not once was out classed in taijutsu by kakshi for the rest of the fight! My point is; the sneak attack examples of guy and kakashi you used was successful only because the opponents did not expect them to begin with. In this fight Bee and darui know its the 2 of them and would expect what ever they have to offer!
Darui is actually good at close combat and with his sword, so with bee's help he should be able to hold his own against kakashi in close combat. And can almost instantly Use Laser circus for a guaranteed Instant hit of death
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! So basically close combat with him isnt a smart idea since he can use laser circus damn near any moment not matter how far/close.
1. The thing about laser circus that makes it deadly is the fact it can be guided to go where ever Darui wants it to go. So evading would never ever be enough! You will have to literally keep evading and then hope a rock or something blocks it for you. Its similar to Darkseids OMEGA BEAMS:
Get how broken it is now? Able to be guided on a dime and change directions with ease
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avoiding Samui and only hitting Ginkaku
2. When Kakashi used Chidori on haku that isnt anything to brag about. he is a normal human with normal human flesh (no durabilty). Against kakuzu, he had a spl earth tech that only lighting could defeat, so it was a lightning>earth situation. Nothing to brag about. And he never pierced the Edo jinjuriki's, they actually tanked a direct hit
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. So again, nothing to brag about.
3. Morning Peacock is fire basically. And it worked on a 30% kisame clone.. Nothing to brag about! If kisame at 100% no sword can Tank 7 gate Hindura, im sure he could have tanked morning peacock if was at 100%. And with V1 armor, i already showed fire does nothing to a V1 armor user. Even fodders were protected from 2 super op fire techs from madara and obito! V1>>Fire! Especially Bees V1 with his already superb def! And with samahada he tanks, and heals from it, then delivers a fast LARIAT!
4. We know kakashi is smart bro. lol Darui has also been noted as being similar (general of army, Ayes number 1 body gaurd etc etc). Only difference is, is that kakashi is a main character from teh main village. So ofc he would have more proof of being smart etc etc.
The you highly Underestimate the Ink CLones!!!
They were able to capture and hold, 6 Rinnegan and sharingan users!!! That speaks to their skill level even as clones!They are basically the same skill level as killer bee with abilities and can easily capture the enemy!
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And dont forget with Bee's chakra level, he can make more if need be. And unless kakshi or guy (but specifically kakashi) have Super OP chakra coming out their body similar to Hyugas body blow, shinra tensei, or Jinjuriki V2 Chakra they will get sealed! And they have no real counter for the ink clones. At the end of the day, they cannot kill Bee at all, and he can instantly Lariat one of them off a counter attack (and keep in mind while in V1 he matched V1 Aye
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and neither are faster then V1 Aye! Especially kakashi!). And Laser Circus is OP as Fuq if close! Their strategy with Bee (and ink clones) fighting the 2 with Darui's added assistance will be more then enough.
P.s. The moment after kakashi use kamui on anything, a Lariat will be waiting for him! =D
The Lightning Blade is an enhanced and concentrated form of the Chidori with the same effects and drawbacks. The Chidori is already powerful on its own, the Lightning Cutter requires better chakra control, and also Raikiri is S rank while Chidori is A rank and Raikiri has shown to be stronger as well being able to smash the android Asura Path [
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Kakashi does have the silent killing technique and as stated by Sasuke that Kakashi copies jutsu's perfectly [
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] and as neither Bee or Darui are sensor's so they won't be able to pick hear or detect him until they feel a Raikiri right in their vital organ.
You are wrong as the division only helped by sealing and helping with a formation Kakashi did most of the fighting as he took out Haku and Zabuza.
You are underrating Gai's speed in gates and gates have been shown to be fast for even Sharingan wielders to keep up with the fifth gate [
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] and Kakashi and Sasuke's reaction time is just about the same and if Sasuke could keep up with V1 Ay who is about the same speed as V1 Bee then Kakashi can keep up with him.
Gai is faster than Bee but I never said Bee was slow just that it will be difficult for Bee to keep up with him especially as the speed of Gai's punches in 6 gates is so fast that they are set ablaze by sheer speed and friction, that Bee will have difficulty keeping up with them. Also Gai has already shocked Bee already with his speed as seen in the blow scan:
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Gai has shown to be able to jump extremely high in gates and thus can avoid Laser Circus by evading it like so:
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Plus Kakashi has the speed to dodge Laser Circus as he has dodged faster Jutsu before or stop it like he did to Kakuzu's False Darkness [
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Also Sasuke's sharingan was able to keep up with Bee and dodge his Lariat and Kakashi and Sasuke's reaction times are on Par so Kakashi would be able to dodge Bee's moves [
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Countering Samehada:
Kakashi would eventually figure out Samehada's ability and with the help of Gai can take Samehada out of the fight as Gai can smash it apart with his Konoha Kaiganshō:
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Bee's tentacles have been shown to be ripped apart quite easily [
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And Kakashi will be able to outsmart him and use his Raiton bushin to shock Bee and (war arc Kakashi's chakra levels have improved since the Pain arc) long enough for Gai to finish him with morning Peacock.
Gai would be able to repel himself from the ink clones as he was able to repel Water quickly:
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And Kakashi can make a Suiton wall quick enough before the clones can reach him then wipe the clones out with Suiton: Daibakufu no Jutsu:
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PS:This will be my last post as I have to prepare for my exam tomorrow and I had a good time debating with you Draegod =D
The Lightning Blade is an enhanced and concentrated form of the Chidori with the same effects and drawbacks. The Chidori is already powerful on its own, the Lightning Cutter requires better chakra control, and also Raikiri is S rank while Chidori is A rank and Raikiri has shown to be stronger as well being able to smash the android Asura Path [
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] and was able to pierce Kakuzu's Earth Spear which is as hard as diamond.
Kakashi does have the silent killing technique and as stated by Sasuke that Kakashi copies jutsu's perfectly [
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] plus he used the Silent Killing Technique against Kakuzu as Kakuzu didn't hear a sound which Kakashi could use against Bee or Darui [
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] and as neither Bee or Darui are sensor's so they won't be able to pick hear or detect him until they feel a Raikiri right in their vital organ.
You are wrong as the division only helped by sealing and helping with a formation Kakashi did most of the fighting as he took out Haku and Zabuza.
You are underrating Gai's speed in gates and gates have been shown to be fast for even Sharingan wielders to keep up with the fifth gate [
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] and Kakashi and Sasuke's reaction time is just about the same and if Sasuke could keep up with V1 Ay who is about the same speed as V1 Bee then Kakashi can keep up with him.
Gai is faster than Bee but I never said Bee was slow just that it will be difficult for Bee to keep up with him especially as the speed of Gai's punches in 6 gates is so fast that they are set ablaze by sheer speed and friction, that Bee will have difficulty keeping up with them. Also Gai has already shocked Bee already with his speed as seen in the blow scan:
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Gai has shown to be able to jump extremely high in gates and thus can avoid Laser Circus by evading it like so:
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Plus Kakashi has the speed to dodge Laser Circus as he has dodged faster Jutsu before or stop it like he did to Kakuzu's False Darkness [
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Countering Samehada:
Kakashi would eventually figure out Samehada's ability and with the help of Gai can take Samehada out of the fight as Gai can smash it apart with his Konoha Kaiganshō:
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Bee's tentacles have been shown to be ripped apart quite easily [
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And Kakashi will be able to outsmart him and use his Raiton bushin to shock Bee and (war arc Kakashi's chakra levels have improved since the Pain arc) long enough for Gai to finish him with morning Peacock.
Gai would be able to repel himself from the ink clones as he was able to repel Water quickly:
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And Kakashi can make a Suiton wall quick enough before the clones can reach him then wipe the clones out with Suiton: Daibakufu no Jutsu:
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PS:This will be my last post as I have to prepare for my exam tomorrow and I had a good time debating with you Draegod =D
Lightning Blade isnt getting past V1 plus Base bee's skin! He was already shown to tank sasuke's Chidori (which inst far from kakshi's) with water added! He has also tanked and blocked his bro's punch that is said can 1 hit even naruto
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And blocked it and protected naruto at the last second
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And as you can see; Bee has the ability to change almost any part of his body to partial 8 tails. Increasing his power or def according to the situation.
Again on the kakashi points. Those are not feats to brag about. Ill list why:
1. Him copying jutsu's is what the sharingan is able to do. Nothing spl about that
2. Kakuzu had no idea kakashi was even in the area. Its a sneak attack he used just like any other ninja can do. To prove my point even further;
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is where kakuzu Counter attacked with out a sound on the great kakashi when his def was done. Does that also mean kakuzu is a expert in silent killing or he caught kakashi off guard? Think about it..
3. Bee has easily been shown to have great reflexes and can dodge with his back turned as well. He has tanked every jutsu ever used on him as well. So nothing kakashi has shown would be able to harm him especially in v1 form.
4. when kakashi seen lee blitz in Gates, he never stated he couldnt keep up, he merely noted he was fast. In fact he was taking note that his muscles were ripping/snapping.
5. Sasuke never cept up in speed with Aye; he merely counter attacked Aye when they were about to hit each other. Aye was not moving his feet, nor was sasuke.
Plus the fact Bee has Added Feats in V1 that include Tentacles to attck/protect or his chakra moving on its own as seen here:
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And keep in mind he said his eyes (not body) couldn't read it. And just in case some one wants to think kakashi is unbeatable in Taijutsu; he was owned by kakuzu and Zabuza in Taijutsu. So im sure v1 Bee is overkill with his feats and def.
6. Bee wasn't shocked by Guys speed, he merely stated "oh?". That does not mean he was shocked,
7. Jumping High does not matter, Laser circus can travel any where he wants it to as seen here:
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As you can see, its range is very very very very far! And can be guided to go where ever Darui wants it to be guided! Fast!!!
And with added Ink clones to help Protect Darui he will be better protected.
8. Kakashi using 2 lightning blades to stop a powerful Lightning attack is good. But.. Their both s rank lightning techs! So ofc it would make since for it to be even. Darui Laser circus is not one element and can also change direction dodging kakashi's hands aiming for a leg/arm/chest etc etc. If kakashi still stops ot it would be more then even nuff for bee to sneak a Lariat in for KO!
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9. Samahada literally tanked that attack. So him taking hits from base guy or non morning peacock moves will be easy. And if he were to some how get severely damage, he will/can take bees chakra to heal itself like
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after kisame and him healed each other (notice before they fuse sama' doesnt have a hole in itself anymore
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. So basically with Samahada and bee's endurance they will never be able to kill him! with the tactics you have listed.
10. Guy repelled the water thanks to opening the 7th gate (green sweat). And ink clones aren't water. So that was a bad way to say he stops them. When they were solid enough to defeat sharingan and rinnegan shared vision Jinjurikis..
11. Again you assume the clones are weak, and a simple water wall would be enough. If kakashi is on water when they come, and if he does use that jutsu (that requires a water source under or near him), Bee will Lariat him wince his attention was focused on the clones and using such a difficult jutsu.
And their is no way a water wall (liquid) is stopping Laser circus that beamed through the kin gin brothers like butter (keep in mind they are some buff guys). And Mud wall is a earth tech; Laser circus is a mixture of lightning.. Lighting>>>>Earth! It would go through the mud wall like it was Lego's! haha
Please do not underestimate bee and the Habachi's intelligence! With Darui, its as an extra head to help win in the strategy department! Because at the end of the day, one wrong move from any of them equals a Lariat or Laser circus through the Chest! Ink clones and the 2 of them prosper imo!
Debate is ready to be judged, I'll judge it tonight or tomorrow. I guess the judges have until the 16th to judge it. Good luck. Next up is Owarij vs Varrah, the one I've been longing to see.
Debate is ready to be judged, I'll judge it tonight or tomorrow. I guess the judges have until the 16th to judge it. Good luck. Next up is Owarij vs Varrah, the one I've been longing to see.
Nice debate, Gentlemen. I'm just going to get straight to the point.
Draegod - Your seem to be a comparison type debater. You compared Bee to the Raikage a lot. Your debate was solid, because your overwhelming offense in this debate. Nice going with Darkseid vid to give visual of Darui's jutsu and how it can be used. You really displayed Bee's durability in this match. I wouldn't count that FTG scene as a speed feat.. more like an intellectual feat, tbh. Bee has shown many times to be very observant in his matches.
I believe this key factor was V1 Cloak being able to tank Morning Peacock. I doubt it.. but he would survive with minor to mid serious injuries. It not anything, it would rip the cloak off of Bee.(Which Bee would probably just remake) Similar to how the Juubi Attack did to the Alliance with Kurama's Chakra and Hashirama ripped the Susano'o Armor off the Nine-Tails. That does leave more options for Kakashi and Guy to explore. Saying Bee tanks everything with V1... I don't believe so. That's my opinion though, other judges may think differently.
Awesome way of using Samehada. Overall, you did great.
P.S. 1st debate I've saw with Darui where someone didn't mention Black Lightning.
Izuna Kakashi Senju - I feel you were somewhat backed into a corner. You also had home advantage since you were in the Leaf.
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<-- Link. Not sure if would have helped much, but it's worth mentioning. Though you prove Kakashi would outsmart, but would it be enough? I did not like your first counter to the Ink Clones. You did redeem yourself a little in the next post with the Ink Clones.
A bunch of missed opportunities as well. When Draegod said Bee tanked Chidori, you could have argued two things:
1. Sasuke didn't want to kill Water Boy.
2. Sasuke had to capture Bee alive.
I don't think Kakashi has the silent killing tech, but he does know the area better than Bee and Darui soo for him to perform a sneak attack is logical.
I vote will Draegod, because I believe he was convincing in my eyes. Izuna Kakashi Senju, not taking anything away from you, because pretty damn good.
Not important, but Kakashi doesn't need a water source to perform water jutsu. When he tried a water jutsu vs Kakuzu's Fire/Wind Heart.
Nice debate, Gentlemen. I'm just going to get straight to the point.
Draegod - Your seem to be a comparison type debater. You compared Bee to the Raikage a lot. Your debate was solid, because your overwhelming offense in this debate. Nice going with Darkseid vid to give visual of Darui's jutsu and how it can be used. You really displayed Bee's durability in this match. I wouldn't count that FTG scene as a speed feat.. more like an intellectual feat, tbh. Bee has shown many times to be very observant in his matches.
I believe this key factor was V1 Cloak being able to tank Morning Peacock. I doubt it.. but he would survive with minor to mid serious injuries. It not anything, it would rip the cloak off of Bee.(Which Bee would probably just remake) Similar to how the Juubi Attack did to the Alliance with Kurama's Chakra and Hashirama ripped the Susano'o Armor off the Nine-Tails. That does leave more options for Kakashi and Guy to explore. Saying Bee tanks everything with V1... I don't believe so. That's my opinion though, other judges may think differently.
Awesome way of using Samehada. Overall, you did great.
P.S. 1st debate I've saw with Darui where someone didn't mention Black Lightning.
Izuna Kakashi Senju - I feel you were somewhat backed into a corner. You also had home advantage since you were in the Leaf.
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<-- Link. Not sure if would have helped much, but it's worth mentioning. Though you prove Kakashi would outsmart, but would it be enough? I did not like your first counter to the Ink Clones. You did redeem yourself a little in the next post with the Ink Clones.
A bunch of missed opportunities as well. When Draegod said Bee tanked Chidori, you could have argued two things:
1. Sasuke didn't want to kill Water Boy.
2. Sasuke had to capture Bee alive.
I don't think Kakashi has the silent killing tech, but he does know the area better than Bee and Darui soo for him to perform a sneak attack is logical.
I vote will Draegod, because I believe he was convincing in my eyes. Izuna Kakashi Senju, not taking anything away from you, because pretty damn good.
Not important, but Kakashi doesn't need a water source to perform water jutsu. When he tried a water jutsu vs Kakuzu's Fire/Wind Heart.
