【NB Debate Tourney: Draegod vs.1TimeOnly】

[Erin]

and again you are not making any sense with your case. Sasuke can use snakes and alll of oru abilities! fact of manga!

How can itachi cast a genjutsu on manda when his eyes are closed and or harmed from your attacks?? Now your contradicting your on plan. Manda can attack with out vision. Fact of manag and life, snakes dont need vision to sense theyre prey! You have no chance agaisnt manda once i control him.
[II] All the hype with data books are not accurate as i already explained.
Genjutsu cancel each other out! Fact of the manga! Do you not read the fight they had?????
[III] No plan of attack you have listed can kill sasuke. I have countered them all with proof, not databook BS! lmao
The databook stats take in account itachis Mangekyo sharingan not 3 tomoe that you are using! That is why he is higher than sasuke!. Anything else????? Really i dont even know why you bring the databook up when you are clearly weaker then the databook suggest with out MS! But since you have no real argument i guess stick to it...

You keep talking about itachis handspeed but sasuke was able to match it:

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only while doing that particular water jutsu and clones can he do fast handseals. It isnt a every tech thing. FACTS OF THE MANga that i can list if you want me to!

And again, no method you listed can kill sasuke. And you cant out last him either!

I. Manda has never been shown to be smart enough to close his eyes before he looks to see what he is fighting.

II. It doesn't matter what you personally believe, masashi kishimoto wrote that data book after sasuke fought itachi and sasuke got MS, in other words, anything that we knew in previous chapters is outdated.

III. The up to date (with volume 43, itachi vs sasuke) shows clearly that, Itachi is greater than MS sasuke in genjutsu, Itachi is faster than sasuke in speed, itachi is more proficient than sasuke in handsigns, and that sasuke is not as skilled in taijutsu as itachi is. These are facts that cannot be overruled by previous chapters.

Of course itachi doesn't have a 1 hit kill on sasuke, not every battle is ended with a one hit kill, a tactical fight is systematic. as itachi is more skilled and smarter than sasuke in most fields, this gives him an advantage in a tactical approach.

Not only this, but sasuke lacks knowledge on itachi's crow, The crow has the ability to use KA once as commanded, sasuke will defiantly notice the crown has a sharingan, and to notice it it will first have to catch his eye, if this genjutsu hits sasuke, it will instantly win the match for itachi.

 

[Draegod]

1.Manda has never been shown to be smart enough to close his eyes before he looks to see what he is fighting.
2.It doesn't matter what you personally believe, masashi kishimoto wrote that data book after sasuke fought itachi and sasuke got MS, in other words, anything that we knew in previous chapters is outdated.
3. The up to date (with volume 43, itachi vs sasuke) shows clearly that, Itachi is greater than MS sasuke in genjutsu, Itachi is faster than sasuke in speed, itachi is more proficient than sasuke in handsigns, and that sasuke is not as skilled in taijutsu as itachi is. These are facts that cannot be overruled by previous chapters.

Of course itachi doesn't have a 1 hit kill on sasuke, not every battle is ended with a one hit kill, a tactical fight is systematic. as itachi is more skilled and smarter than sasuke in most fields, this gives him an advantage in a tactical approach.

Not only this, but sasuke lacks knowledge on itachi's crow, The crow has the ability to use KA, sasuke will defiantly notice the crown has a sharingan, and to notice it it will first have to catch his eye, if this genjutsu hits sasuke, it will instantly win the match for itachi.

LMAO

1. Manda isnt stupid! for 1! And 2, he will be under a genjutsu, so sasuke will literally make him fight with his eyes closed!!! End of story! You have no counter for manda if thats your argument!

2. The data book is for complete Mangekyo sharingan itachi! Fact! Not limit 3 tomoe itachi!!! big difference! Thus your argument for the databook is null and void since we handicapp itachi! ^_^

3. And again, the databook has the complete itachi! Not handicapped 1! Please choose a better argument so we can continue!

4. You say sasuke lacks knowledge of itachis crows butt itachi used crows on sasuke on multiple occasions! FACT!

5. You say itachi has KA in his crow; fact is naruto has the crow! So that argument is null and void!!! FACT!!! PLUS the command in the crow is; "Protect Konaha!" FACT! Not "stop fighting me"! lmao The fact you brought it up shows your running out of ideas. smh

I still have plenty more, im just waiting on you...

 

[pateuvasiliu]

This looks more like an argument than a debate ...

 

[Erin]

LMAO

1. Manda isnt stupid! for 1! And 2, he will be under a genjutsu, so sasuke will literally make him fight with his eyes closed!!! End of story! You have no counter for manda if thats your argument!

[II] 2. The data book is for complete Mangekyo sharing.an itachi! Fact! Not limit 3 tomoe itachi!!! big difference! Thus your argument for the databook is null anyd void since we handicapp itachi! ^_^

[III] 3. And again, the databook has the complete itachi! Not handicapped 1! Please choose a better argument so we can continue!

[IV] 4. You say sasuke lacks knowledge of itachis crows butt itachi used crows on sasuke on multiple occasions! FACT!

[V] 5. You say itachi has KA in his crow; fact is naruto has the crow! So that argument is null and void!!! FACT!!! PLUS the command in the crow is; "Protect Konaha!" FACT! Not "stop fighting me"! lmao The fact you brought it up shows your running out of ideas. smh

I still have plenty more, im just waiting on you...

I. Itachi is more proficient in genjutsu as is stated in the data book, and is evident in the fact that sasuke fails to catch(while instead countering) itachi [ in a genjutsu. As Manda is summoned he will look t where he is, and what he is fighting, itachi's genjutsu will override sasukes as it is stronger. As I stated before, breaking genjutsu doesn't make you a stronger genjutsu user, sakura can break kakashi's genjutsu but she cannot trap kakashi in a genjutsu.

II. you have yet to refute my proof that sasuke had MS before the databook and you have not provided proof of your own so your claim is false.

III. Again you have yet to refute my proof that sasuke had MS before the databook and you have not provided proof of your own so your claim is false.

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IV. He only got that knowledge after that fight began.

V. False , if we are using hebi sasuke and itachi prior to their actual battle, then itachi still has his crow as the battle started when sasuke destroyed itachi's clone, itachi just happened to have a clone near naruto when the fight technically began and gave him the crow at that time, but since we arethe characters as they stand before their final battle, the crow will be with him, and as a larger crow with the sharingan, it will easly catch his eye, thus ending the battle. He did not give the crow the protect konoha order until after the battle had been initiated by sasuke attacking the clone of itachi. Itachi could also stall long enough to defeat Sasuke with Izanami, which does NOT require Mangekyo Sharingan.

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Itachi's Intelligence, perception and versitality is far greater than sasukes. ( shown above)


Responce corresponds with numbering (Roman Numerals).

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Avoid responding in quotes.

If you expect people to take the time to read your awfully formatted post you are wrong.

 

[Erin]

The Time is 9:00 AM April, 2, 2013 [eastern]. No further debate is permitted.

 

[Tragic Nous]

Will edit this post at a later time.

 

[Omnipotent]

Will edit this post at a later time.

Agreed with this.
Finally, I may not have to be the first to review.

 

[Frikid]

This debate looked good at first, but at the end, it seemed both of the contestants were just dragging it.

 

[Solo]

Funniest debate I've read in a while.

You guys had great presentations, but made too many claims without actual proof. Pretty much speculations. Some of the stuff was too farfetched. If even put them out of character. The beginning was okay, the ending was bad. Draegod started off bad. 1TimeOnly towards the end was bad.

Starting with

1TimeOnly:

Throughout the fight Itachi vs Sasuke, Itachi got the upper hand on Sasuke. But why did he get the upper hand? Simple. He caught Sasuke off guard several times before using the MS. What did Sasuke fall for several times? Even EMS Sasuke and Kabuto fell for it? Crows! Why didn't you take advantage of crows? idk, but you used Genjutsu as your means for catching Sasuke off guard. Which is bad, as we already know Sasuke can counter Genjutsu. Regardless, of the Databook statistics.

Databook is so, ugh. It uses a lot of hyperbole. Just because Itachi has a 5 in Genjutsu means nothing if Sasuke can see through it. As the manga proved, they were pretty matched in everything else. Ninjutsu and Taijutsu. Speed was in Itachi's factor. Stamina in Sasuke's.

Your opening consisted of too much filler. I know Sasuke's moveset and I know Water beats Fire. Some of it, I didn't know. Still it was cool. The thing with water stopping Sasuke's Lightning based attacks? Hmm.. idk. It didn't stop Sasuke whatsoever.(The Hawk vs Cloud Scan) Actually, go to the next page, Sasuke went on to use his lightning to cancel the effect of Darui's lightning. So again... idk.

About the Clone stuff, I don't think Sasuke was surprise because it was a clone, but rather the crows. Right before Edo Tensei Itachi burst in on Kabuto, Itachi summon crow which surprised Sasuke yet again. If the Clones chakra is distributed equally, not even the Sharingan can tell which one is the real one. Good job on that.

Skip a few and go your Genjutsu argument. IMO, Regular and Sharingan Genjutsu is useless seeing as they can counter Genjutsu each other. Just a waste of chakra.

On to your rebuttal - +2 for calling out the Snakes and Hebi Sasuke not knowing Tobi. Another good call, Itachi can Re-Genjutsu Manda. You also let Draegod get away with a lot.

This what killed your debate, period. Koto Amatsukami. That was loser argument, imo. Plus, you dodged a few of opponents arguments.


Draegod:

Very bad start. You were better toward the end, but still..

Hebi Sasuke doesn't know Tobi or rather isn't allies with Tobi at that point. He definitely wouldn't know the environment. "Sasuke will start the fight off by using (since he does have orus abilities and snakes at his whim)" What the hell? That's so out of character, Dude. LMAO

Good job showing Cursed Mark Sasuke can tank Itachi's Fire Jutsu. But there's only so much he can take, I'm sure. You mentioned Sasuke in the form of Taka.(As seen in fight with Danzo).

Nice call on Manda as well. Seeing as Itachi doesn't have a counter for that summoning with a possibility of Genjutsu. Even if Manda has to be used with as a distraction.

You overestimate Orochimaru-Style Body Replacement and just having Curse Mark and Orochimaru absorbed. That took a MASSIVE amount of chakra as stated in the manga, but your opponent didn't mention it.

It's very hard to decide, but I give it to Draegod.



This debate came down to Millions of Snakes coming out of Sasuke's mouth or Koto Amatsukami. And this what hurt you twice, 1TimeOnly. First, just mentioning it KA. Second this:

False , if we are using hebi sasuke and itachi prior to their actual battle, then itachi still has his crow as the battle started when sasuke destroyed itachi's clone, itachi just happened to have a clone near naruto when the fight technically began and gave him the crow at that time, but since we arethe characters as they stand before their final battle, the crow will be with him, and as a larger crow with the sharingan, it will easly catch his eye, thus ending the battle. He did not give the crow the protect konoha order until after the battle had been initiated by sasuke attacking the clone of itachi. Itachi could also stall long enough to defeat Sasuke with Izanami, which does NOT require Mangekyo Sharingan.

I hate the fact you mentioned it and then contradicted yourself.

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Draegod has my vote.

 

[Frikid]

Funniest debate I've read in a while.

You guys had great presentations, but made too many claims without actual proof. Pretty much speculations. Some of the stuff was too farfetched. If even put them out of character. The beginning was okay, the ending was bad. Draegod started off bad. 1TimeOnly towards the end was bad.

Starting with

1TimeOnly:

Throughout the fight Itachi vs Sasuke, Itachi got the upper hand on Sasuke. But why did he get the upper hand? Simple. He caught Sasuke off guard several times before using the MS. What did Sasuke fall for several times? Even EMS Sasuke and Kabuto fell for it? Crows! Why didn't you take advantage of crows? idk, but you used Genjutsu as your means for catching Sasuke off guard. Which is bad, as we already know Sasuke can counter Genjutsu. Regardless, of the Databook statistics.

Databook is so, ugh. It uses a lot of hyperbole. Just because Itachi has a 5 in Genjutsu means nothing if Sasuke can see through it. As the manga proved, they were pretty matched in everything else. Ninjutsu and Taijutsu. Speed was in Itachi's factor. Stamina in Sasuke's.

Your opening consisted of too much filler. I know Sasuke's moveset and I know Water beats Fire. Some of it, I didn't know. Still it was cool. The thing with water stopping Sasuke's Lightning based attacks? Hmm.. idk. It didn't stop Sasuke whatsoever.(The Hawk vs Cloud Scan) Actually, go to the next page, Sasuke went on to use his lightning to cancel the effect of Darui's lightning. So again... idk.

About the Clone stuff, I don't think Sasuke was surprise because it was a clone, but rather the crows. Right before Edo Tensei Itachi burst in on Kabuto, Itachi summon crow which surprised Sasuke yet again. If the Clones chakra is distributed equally, not even the Sharingan can tell which one is the real one. Good job on that.

Skip a few and go your Genjutsu argument. IMO, Regular and Sharingan Genjutsu is useless seeing as they can counter Genjutsu each other. Just a waste of chakra.

On to your rebuttal - +2 for calling out the Snakes and Hebi Sasuke not knowing Tobi. Another good call, Itachi can Re-Genjutsu Manda. You also let Draegod get away with a lot.

This what killed your debate, period. Koto Amatsukami. That was loser argument, imo. Plus, you dodged a few of opponents arguments.


Draegod:

Very bad start. You were better toward the end, but still..

Hebi Sasuke doesn't know Tobi or rather isn't allies with Tobi at that point. He definitely wouldn't know the environment. "Sasuke will start the fight off by using (since he does have orus abilities and snakes at his whim)" What the hell? That's so out of character, Dude. LMAO

Good job showing Cursed Mark Sasuke can tank Itachi's Fire Jutsu. But there's only so much he can take, I'm sure. You mentioned Sasuke in the form of Taka.(As seen in fight with Danzo).

Nice call on Manda as well. Seeing as Itachi doesn't have a counter for that summoning with a possibility of Genjutsu. Even if Manda has to be used with as a distraction.

You overestimate Orochimaru-Style Body Replacement and just having Curse Mark and Orochimaru absorbed. That took a MASSIVE amount of chakra as stated in the manga, but your opponent didn't mention it.

It's very hard to decide, but I give it to Draegod.



This debate came down to Millions of Snakes coming out of Sasuke's mouth or Koto Amatsukami. And this what hurt you twice, 1TimeOnly. First, just mentioning it KA. Second this:


I hate the fact you mentioned it and then contradicted yourself.

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Draegod has my vote.

This is a biased judging.

First of all, YOU CANNOT FORCE SOMEBODY HOW TO USE A CHARACTER ACCORDING TO YOUR WAY.
Yes i know itachi would get good advantage with crows but you cannot deduct marks just because the debater didn't used it.Everyone have their own way of debating, some have defensive style, some have all out attack style etc...
Even Draegod didn't use many of sasuke's abilities such as black lightning which he used against naruto or sasuke's lightning sword or kirin .

2. Databook is written by kishi, and it can be used in a debate . All the debaters use data book to explain their arguments in a better way, again, you cannot deduct marks just for using databook. If databook says something which the opposition thinks as wrong, it is his responsibility to correct it.


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Now again, i don't think hebi sasuke can literally use all of oro's abilities. If we follow that logic, sasuke would be able to use rashoumon gates. And in the manga, it is also stated EMS sasuke have itachi's powers but that doesn't mean he can use totsuka sword or yata mirror or that time controlling tsukiyomi until we see it , correct ? So until sasuke showed the ability to spit hundreds of snake from his mouth, this argument can be considered as invalid.


P.S : Again, i am not saying 1timeonly should win the debate or draegod should win the debate,this can go either way, i simply find your reasons of judgement biased.

 

[Solo]

Snip.

1. You're making the assumption I'm doing points. No where did it states I'm doing points.
Edit: I give them my opinions and then I decide. I judge them by their overall debate. From their opening, rebuttals, and the ending. I usually call stuff that either farfetched or really argument in MY opinion.

2.

Itachi can easily trap Sasuke in one of these Genjutsus, once he has entered a Genjutsu, Itachi can physically attack Sasuke.

Again, I never stated he had to use what I said. He used Genjutsu as means to slow Sasuke down and create a opening. As we've seen in the manga, Sasuke just counter Genjutsu with Genjutsu. Provided Itachi can't us MS. Therefore, using Genjutsu to slow Sasuke down is a very bad idea. The Sharingan sees through Genjutsu.

Am I right or wrong?

Here is how I know you didn't read:

Restrictions: Mangekyō Sharingan, Kirin, Yamata no Jutsu [Exhaust].

P.S. I'm sure Sasuke said "I can feel Itachi's power" not "I have Itachi's power. btw.

3. The manga is written by Kishi. The manga is consistently updated. It's been years since the databook has been updated. We cannot deny Sasuke broke and counter Itachi's Genjutsu. Therefore, stats is in Genjutsu is useless.

Taijutsu
Itachi - 4.5
Sasuke - 3.5

Please show me where Itachi outclassed Sasuke in Taijutsu?

4. You might want to reread my post instead of jumping to conclusions. I NEVER said Hebi Sasuke could make millions of Snakes come out his mouth. Hence, why I said that is out of character. Again, go reread my post.

At the same time he said Koto Amatsukami for Itachi. If Itachi had that from beginning then the entire debate was pointless.

Then when he makes an argument for KA, he gives false knowledge.


Edit: I can't be biased in judging. Because to judge something I have to give my opinion, not yours.

His Strikes were:
- KA
- Bad argument for KA.
- Genjutsu to create an opening Sasuke
- Skipping a few arguments
- Water stopping Sasuke's Lightning. > I can't see that stopping Sasuke attacks.
- Not detailed enough in his arguments. His opening was great.


Draegod Strikes:
- Thinking Sasuke has all of Orochimaru's abilities
- Hebi Sasuke knowing Itachi
- Not detailed enough.

There may be more if I continued to break down things.

 

[Frikid]

1. You're making the assumption I'm doing points. No where did it states I'm doing points.
Edit: I give them my opinions and then I decide. I judge them by their overall debate. From their opening, rebuttals, and the ending. I usually call stuff that either farfetched or really argument in MY opinion.

You say you are not doing points yet you do points at the end of the post Lol.
There is nothing wrong with doing points .

2.

Again, I never stated he had to use what I said. He used Genjutsu as means to slow Sasuke down and create a opening. As we've seen in the manga, Sasuke just counter Genjutsu with Genjutsu. Provided Itachi can't us MS. Therefore, using Genjutsu to slow Sasuke down is a very bad idea. The Sharingan sees through Genjutsu.

Am I right or wrong?

Here is how I know you didn't read:

woops, i guess i forgot kirin was in restrictions.Just because something slipped through my mind doesn't mean i didn't read it.
And he still didn't used the lightning sword and black lightning. The reason i made this point was because if you are mentioning 1timeonly hasn't used some of the abilities of itachi, same can be said for draegod, so either mention it for both or don't mention at all, because it makes your judgement look a bit biased.

P.S. I'm sure Sasuke said "I can feel Itachi's power" not "I have Itachi's power. btw.

3. The manga is written by Kishi. The manga is consistently updated. It's been years since the databook has been updated. We cannot deny Sasuke broke and counter Itachi's Genjutsu. Therefore, stats is in Genjutsu is useless.

Taijutsu
Itachi - 4.5
Sasuke - 3.5

Please show me where Itachi outclassed Sasuke in Taijutsu?

So you want to say sasuke can "feel" itachi's power but do not "have" them.i can't find that manga page right now, but i am certain from the looks of that manga page, that kishi wanted to show that sasuke have received itachi's powers.

And i agree, sometimes databook cannot be trusted, but still we can rely on databook until the fact given into it is proven wrong. Databook is written by kishi, and it can be used in a debate . All the debaters use data book to explain their arguments in a better way, again, you cannot deduct marks just for using databook. If databook says something which the opposition thinks as wrong, it is his responsibility to correct it.

4. You might want to reread my post instead of jumping to conclusions. I NEVER said Hebi Sasuke could make millions of Snakes come out his mouth. Hence, why I said that is out of character. Again, go reread my post.

At the same time he said Koto Amatsukami for Itachi. If Itachi had that from beginning then the entire debate was pointless.

Then when he makes an argument for KA, he gives false knowledge.

i said hundreds of snakes. hundreds of snake =/= millions of snakes.
and i was saying that in general which is why I didn't put a number on it and i also separated it by putting "---" ← this.

And i think KA should've been mentioned in restrictions since it is an instant win.
You are aware of the fact that Manda died long before sasuke vs itachi battle ? So if manda is allowed in the fight, you cannot restrict KA by 10 year limitation. The debater just took use of the opportunity of using KA because it wasn't mentioned in restrictions, can't blame anyone for this.

Edit: I can't be biased in judging. Because to judge something I have to give my opinion, not yours.

His Strikes were:
- KA
- Bad argument for KA.
- Genjutsu to create an opening Sasuke
- Skipping a few arguments
- Water stopping Sasuke's Lightning. > I can't see that stopping Sasuke attacks.
- Not detailed enough in his arguments. His opening was great.


Draegod Strikes:
- Thinking Sasuke has all of Orochimaru's abilities
- Hebi Sasuke knowing Itachi
- Not detailed enough.

There may be more if I continued to break down things.

^ see you are doing it again, don't tell me you found 6 faults in 1timeonly's argument and only 3 in draegod's argument.
It is your reasoning which makes it look like your judgement is biased.
But atleast now you have not mentioned about not using crow and databook, so i think you have considered my point, which was the whole point of my post.
Look neither i can force you to change your judgement, nor i want you to do so.
So, the purpose of my post has been fulfilled and i don't really want you to justify your post anymore.

All we can do is now wait and see who the other judges chose their winner.

 

[Draegod]

This is a biased judging.

First of all, YOU CANNOT FORCE SOMEBODY HOW TO USE A CHARACTER ACCORDING TO YOUR WAY.
Yes i know itachi would get good advantage with crows but you cannot deduct marks just because the debater didn't used it.Everyone have their own way of debating, some have defensive style, some have all out attack style etc...
Even Draegod didn't use many of sasuke's abilities such as black lightning which he used against naruto or sasuke's lightning sword or kirin .

2. Databook is written by kishi, and it can be used in a debate . All the debaters use data book to explain their arguments in a better way, again, you cannot deduct marks just for using databook. If databook says something which the opposition thinks as wrong, it is his responsibility to correct it.


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Now again, i don't think hebi sasuke can literally use all of oro's abilities. If we follow that logic, sasuke would be able to use rashoumon gates. And in the manga, it is also stated EMS sasuke have itachi's powers but that doesn't mean he can use totsuka sword or yata mirror or that time controlling tsukiyomi until we see it , correct ? So until sasuke showed the ability to spit hundreds of snake from his mouth, this argument can be considered as invalid.


P.S : Again, i am not saying 1timeonly should win the debate or draegod should win the debate,this can go either way, i simply find your reasons of judgement biased.

1. The reason why the databook could not be used properly is because that is complete itachi. NOT 3 TOMOE ITACHI. You get the difference??? The databook uses everything itachi has shown to stat him, not 3 tomoe.

2. Kirin was prohibit. And sasuke does not have black lightning

3. Tosuka sword isnt itachis power. Where are you getting that from??? Its a separate weapon. that is only 1 of a kind! PLUS THE WEAPONS AND SUSANOO WAS NOT PROHIBITED. Read the rules before posting.

Sasuke can use all of oru's abilities, fact of manga. He just didnt show them all because he had no need 2.

 

[Fecal Matter]

This was an amazing debate.I'm not an expert but personally i think the Draegod guy has the upper hand atm.
Hope read the upcoming posts.

 

[Erin]

1. The reason why the databook could not be used properly is because that is complete itachi. NOT 3 TOMOE ITACHI. You get the difference??? The databook uses everything itachi has shown to stat him, not 3 tomoe.

2. Kirin was prohibit. And sasuke does not have black lightning

3. Tosuka sword isnt itachis power. Where are you getting that from??? Its a separate weapon. that is only 1 of a kind! PLUS THE WEAPONS AND SUSANOO WAS NOT PROHIBITED. Read the rules before posting.
ok...
Sasuke can use all of oru's abilities, fact of manga. He just didnt show them all because he had no need 2.

I Already covered the fact that sasuke's MS is also included in the databook.

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You overestimate Orochimaru-Style Body Replacement and just having Curse Mark and Orochimaru absorbed. That took a MASSIVE amount of chakra as stated in the manga, but your opponent didn't mention it.

I did mention that :/
And I know I made a mistake with KA but he also has no counter for Izanami, since I have provided him with enough counters to prepare it, seeing he can fight while its being prepared. I already countered the snakes completely as Itachi simply needs to move to higher ground. (the battle is a in a pit he could run up walls simply)

NOTE: I thought the contestants where no longer permitted to rebuttal, are we aloud to comment on the judges & observers? (If we aren't allowed, please don't penalize me I will remove this post immediately.)

 

[Solo]

And i agree, sometimes databook cannot be trusted, but still we can rely on databook until the fact given into it is proven wrong. Databook is written by kishi, and it can be used in a debate . All the debaters use data book to explain their arguments in a better way, again, you cannot deduct marks just for using databook. If databook says something which the opposition thinks as wrong, it is his responsibility to correct it.

If you believe the Databook to be a good means for debating, by all means use it. I personally, do not believe in using it.

They agree Itachi is faster than Sasuke.

Showing Itachi's Genjutsu Stats, when the Sharingan sees through Genjutsu. Pointless.

Itachi is better in Taijutsu, but as the manga showed, they were about even.

Because Itachi have better Stats than Sasuke in the databook, what's point of debating this?

Fact of the matter, we just have two different opinions on Databook.

And i think KA should've been mentioned in restrictions since it is an instant win.
You are aware of the fact that Manda died long before sasuke vs itachi battle ? So if manda is allowed in the fight, you cannot restrict KA by 10 year limitation. The debater just took use of the opportunity of using KA because it wasn't mentioned in restrictions, can't blame anyone for this.

What it worst was he defended KA in his rebuttal, but it was wrong. Truthfully.. I saw that, but I wasn't 100% sure myself. If you continue reading you'll see why. But seeing that 1TimeOnly had a great counter for Manda, I was like whatever.

^ see you are doing it again, don't tell me you found 6 faults in 1timeonly's argument and only 3 in draegod's argument.

Those were strikes on things I saw wrong or out of character. They were key points in the debate, but not points grade.

Read my post again, There may be more if I continued to break down things.

Even if you hate my judgement there are other judges. So I suggest you wait patiently for them.

I did mention that :/
And I know I made a mistake with KA but he also has no counter for Izanami, since I have provided him with enough counters to prepare it, seeing he can fight while its being prepared. I already countered the snakes completely as Itachi simply needs to move to higher ground. (the battle is a in a pit he could run up walls simply

I didn't see the scan of Itachi telling him it took Massive chakra.(I could have overlooked it.)

KA - It was a bit too much.
Izanami - I'm not sure how he would have defend seeing as time ran out, but okay. I had to point out how KA was wrong though.

 

[Zexion~]

lol this has turned into another debate

 

[Draegod]

I Already covered the fact that sasuke's MS is also included in the databook.

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I did mention that :/
And I know I made a mistake with KA but he also has no counter for Izanami, since I have provided him with enough counters to prepare it, seeing he can fight while its being prepared. I already countered the snakes completely as Itachi simply needs to move to higher ground. (the battle is a in a pit he could run up walls simply)

NOTE: I thought the contestants where no longer permitted to rebuttal, are we aloud to comment on the judges & observers? (If we aren't allowed, please don't penalize me I will remove this post immediately.)

This is not allowed. You basically added more points to your argument!

What i did was comment to Frikid about why i didnt do so and so etc etc. Not create a whole other argument. My post was for frikid not you, so why are you still trying to debate what i said??? I had plenty more argument, and didnt even get to halfe of what i had to debate with, but i stopped because of time constrant. And it was you who Made sure it was no others debating correct??? It was you who took in entire day to make an argument waisting my time!

Is this even allowed??????

 

[Frikid]

If you believe the Databook to be a good means for debating, by all means use it. I personally, do not believe in using it.

They agree Itachi is faster than Sasuke.
Showing Itachi's Genjutsu Stats, when the Sharingan sees through Genjutsu. Pointless.
Itachi is better in Taijutsu, but as the manga showed, they were about even.
Because Itachi have better Stats than Sasuke in the databook, what's point of debating this?
Fact of the matter, we just have two different opinions on Databook.

Databook isn't all about stats. It also includes the description of jutsus used in the manga, which is a good way to understand the jutsu and use it in debates likes these. but..whatever.

What it worst was he defended KA in his rebuttal, but it was wrong. Truthfully.. I saw that, but I wasn't 100% sure myself. If you continue reading you'll see why. But seeing that 1TimeOnly had a great counter for Manda, I was like whatever.
Those were strikes on things I saw wrong or out of character. They were key points in the debate, but not points grade.
Read my post again, There may be more if I continued to break down things.

ok..

Even if you hate my judgement there are other judges. So I suggest you wait patiently for them.

lol, i don't hate your judgement, i just found it biased, and i know you are not one of those biased judges, that is why , i posted here to clear my doubts.
This discussion is over from my side. if you really want to say something you can VM/PM me Lol .
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@draegod,- .. its ok there is no need for you to justify yourself. And sasuke cannot use all of oro's abilities, he can only use those which are shown in manga.if you go beyond that, then it is purely assumptions. Even solo agree on that.

@1timeonly - there is no point of backing up your posts now, since it wont be counted.