✖✖ Sasuke's Power ✖✖

[LavaStyle]

No, I mean the effect of swapping dimensions affected Sasuke enough to give her time to dodge. (And yes it did affect him, by shock and the gravitation change. If it didn't then she wouldn't have wasted chakra on doing it, not to mention time.) He has touched her several times using his Susano'o, just not inflicted damage on her. Beyond that, he has been the closest to beating her, well he needs Naruto to do that but it was his move that almost made them win once. Also, I've stated that they have been equals ever since Part II came to the Pain arc. Beyond that, the manga has stated that they are equals several times. Denying that is either hating or fanboying, you can decide who you are, a blind hater or a ignorant fanboy.

Yes he can't damage her because he isn't strong or fast enough. Sasuke had it, right up until naruto partnered kurama, after that, it's narutos ever since. Well so far, sasuke might get a power up and equal or even surpass naruto, who knows. For now, accept the truth that is naruto is the stronger person at the moment.

 

[Shinato]

So he would have to make her switch places with his glove?
He has been shown to to make anything switch . . . beyond himself?

He has switched the place of himself, rocks, a jacket, random objects, Kaguya and Madara. (Or Naruto depending on different views.) As I've said, he could have swapped her with something right under the Chidori, meaning she would appear in its location with the Chidori through her. (But as I said, plot restricts that.)

He would know what's going on with the Hokage's . . . how exactly?
Where is it 'proven'?

I never said he did. I said that because it would ruin the plot, so plot restricts that and it would not help in much. Also, check when Madara attacks Naruto and Sasuke the first time, he swaps place with something to the right of him while he looks straight forward at Madara.

 

[Shinato]

Yes he can't damage her because he isn't strong or fast enough. Sasuke had it, right up until naruto partnered kurama, after that, it's narutos ever since. Well so far, sasuke might get a power up and equal or even surpass naruto, who knows. For now, accept the truth that is naruto is the stronger person at the moment.

They are the physical representations of Yin and Yang, two forces that are equally powerful and cannot obtain their goal without the other. That is how Yin/Yang works, manga proof that they are equals. (If one is stronger than the other, then the circle of hatred will continue and the entire manga up to this point would be pointless.) So by your logic, the manga is pointless, everything the characters are fighting for is pointless. Naruto is pointless, and his ideal is nothing but stupid. (Good going, you wrecked his entire character right there.) Naruto has more raw power, yes, but he is not any more deadly in battle compared to Sasuke.

 

[HouKage]

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[Shinato]

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If I am not mistaken, then this post is against the rules of Narutobase. Good going again.

 

[Jericho Senju]

No, I mean the effect of swapping dimensions affected Sasuke enough to give her time to dodge. (And yes it did affect him, by shock and the gravitation change. If it didn't then she wouldn't have wasted chakra on doing it, not to mention time.) He has touched her several times using his Susano'o, just not inflicted damage on her. Beyond that, he has been the closest to beating her, well he needs Naruto to do that but it was his move that almost made them win once. Also, I've stated that they have been equals ever since Part II came to the Pain arc. Beyond that, the manga has stated that they are equals several times. Denying that is either hating or fanboying, you can decide who you are, a blind hater or a ignorant fanboy.

Not one time in the entire manga has anyone said Naruto and Sasuake are equals. NEVER. Or has it eluded that they where equals through out the manga, just rivals. What the manga has shown is a back and forth competition between the two;

Sasuke is better than Naruto, Naruto trains to be better then Sasuke. At some point Naruto is better than Sasuke, Sasuke trains to be better than Naruto..etc. Its always been an one-up arms race for power.

 

[Shinato]

Not one time in the entire manga has anyone said Naruto and Sasuake are equals. NEVER. Or has it eluded that they where equals through out the manga, just rivals. What the manga has shown is a back and forth competition between the two;

Sasuke is better than Naruto, Naruto trains to be better then Sasuke. At some point Naruto is better than Sasuke, Sasuke trains to be better than Naruto..etc. Its always been an one-up arms race for power.

Manga never stated that double Kamui was OP, people assume that. Manga never stated that Obito and Kakashi were rivals, only friends and comrades, yet people believe that. Its called logical assumptions, they are the physical forms of Yin and Yang, which are the essence of equality. Its a logical assumptions that they are equals. Naruto also supports this when he says that if they fight they will both die, meaning that they are equally strong and will wear each other out completely.

 

[LavaStyle]

Not one time in the entire manga has anyone said Naruto and Sasuake are equals. NEVER. Or has it eluded that they where equals through out the manga, just rivals. What the manga has shown is a back and forth competition between the two;

Sasuke is better than Naruto, Naruto trains to be better then Sasuke. At some point Naruto is better than Sasuke, Sasuke trains to be better than Naruto..etc. Its always been an one-up arms race for power.

^^^^^^^ this.

 

[Draxus]

XD​ I am not really the person who likes to insult others, but I need to ask this. How stupid can you really get? This is beyond delusional, this is almost Minamoto level. I did read your post, and you said the following; "No he can't teleport Kaguya where every he wants." Here you are saying that he can't, and now you are saying he can. You are saying against yourself, ruining your own point(s), ruining the fun for me of ruining them. My OP is not about swapping body parts or organs as I stated in the OP and after that. Its an example/possible thing. It is one of the things he should be logically able to do. By your logic, your last post is about Sasuke when he teleported a cake. (See I did like you did, took out a single point of it and said your entire post was about that.)

You're calling me stupid, yet you don't seem to have any reading comprehension skills. As I said a few posts back, context matters! Sasuke can't teleport Kaguya wherever he wants, nowhere have I ever said he could. There are limitations of his power. There is a range and he needs to have an object. Since he has to adhere to those rules, HE CANNOT TELEPORT HER WHEREVER HE WANTS!! And no, being able to meet those 2 requirements easily doesn't equate to being able to teleport her at will. Virtually maybe, but then again you didn't say he could teleport kaguya virtually anywhere he wants, did you?

I stated organs as an example, then stated another example that has nothing to do with that after it, both are logically possible and if you deny both then you are denying Sasuke's ability that we have proof of. (Which again means you are denying a fact that is proven, you can deny one, not the other.) Away from lack on reading before arguing.

You are clearly the delusional one if you think I can't disagree with your examples and what Sasuke has shown in the manga, because they are not the same. I don't really care what you say your OP is about, because it does make the assertion that Sasuke can swap out people's organs with a stone and the reason he doesn't is probably because of plot. I found the first part hypocritical and the latter fanboism, and that's what I commented on. I posted this so that if you care about being viewed thusly you'd make the appropriate changes to your phrasing, as it taints the entire message of your OP.

Sasuke teleported himself right next to Kaguya, meaning his cooldown was down and she was within range. Meaning he could instantly have either teleported her head off, or if that wouldn't work then he could have teleported either her inbetween Naruto and him, or the two of them next to her. (Instantly beating her, but again plot restricts that.) He also doesn't need to look at what wants to swap with, he didn't do that the very first time he did it. (He was looking at Madara and swapped place with something to the right of him.) Even if he isn't able to swap only a part of a object or person, as I stated as a possibility, not the main point of my thread then he could still swap the places of Kaguya and instantly seal her away with Naruto's help. Though again, plot restricts it.

And you can prove 1) there was something in front of him that he could have swapped her with and 2) chakra requirement and/or cooldown for swapping another person as opposed to himself are the same? If not then you can't claim it's plot, in my opinion.

EDIT: Also he could have been thinking how strategically a poor idea it would be to, without warning, bring Kaguya in melee range. If Naruto wasn't ready to seal her, she could have easily taken out Kakashi and Naruto if Sasuke's chidori failed.

 

[Shinato]

You're calling me stupid, yet you don't seem to have any reading comprehension skills. As I said a few posts back, context matters! Sasuke can't teleport Kaguya wherever he wants, nowhere have I ever said he could. There are limitations of his power. There is a range and he needs to have an object. Since he has to adhere to those rules, HE CANNOT TELEPORT HER WHEREVER HE WANTS!! And no, being able to meet those 2 requirements easily doesn't equate to being able to teleport her at will. Virtually? Maybe, but then again you didn't say he could teleport kaguya virtually anywhere he wants, did you?

I never said he can teleport here wherever he wants, I said he can teleport here to which you said he cannot. (Which you later said he could.) If he could teleport himself to him, then she was within his reach, and he had a object to swap himself with, probably a rock or something like that. He could just as easily have used a rock between himself and Naruto or throw a kunai or something there. (As I stated eariler.) All the limitations were met, only plot restricted it.

You are clearly the delusional one if you think I can't disagree with your examples and what Sasuke has shown in the manga, because they are not the same. I don't really care what you say your OP is about, because it does make the assertion that Sasuke can swap out people's organs with a stone and the reason he doesn't is probably because of plot. I found the first part hypocritical and latter fanboism, and that's what I commented on. I posted this so that if you care about being viewed thusly you'd make the appropriate changes to your phrasing, as it taints the entire message of your OP.

Your the one going against yourself and arguing with yourself, you must be either plain stupid or delusional. I stated what Sasuke said, the stated what it logically means. Not what I think it means but what it specifically means and gave several examples of it, you are just unable to say against anything else so you stick to that one point even though my other example proves you wrong either way. If people cannot view a thread as a whole and get caught up in small details like that, then they aren't really interesting to discuss with at all. (Thus I have no interest in proving my point to them at all.)

And you can prove 1) there was something in front of him that he could have swapped her with and 2) chakra requirement and/or cooldown for swapping another person as opposed to himself are the same?

Throw a kunai, use a rock on the ground or something else. His cooldown was done and he had enough chakra as he did swap himself.

 

[Draxus]

I never said he can teleport here wherever he wants, I said he can teleport here to which you said he cannot. (Which you later said he could.) If he could teleport himself to him, then she was within his reach, and he had a object to swap himself with, probably a rock or something like that. He could just as easily have used a rock between himself and Naruto or throw a kunai or something there. (As I stated eariler.) All the limitations were met, only plot restricted it.

Even if he cannot replace organs (which was an example.) then he can still teleport Kaguya to wherever he wants, as he did it in the past.

Sure... NEVER said it :eww:
Not really important, we both agree he can move Kaguya so lets leave it there.

Your the one going against yourself and arguing with yourself, you must be either plain stupid or delusional. I stated what Sasuke said, the stated what it logically means. Not what I think it means but what it specifically means and gave several examples of it, you are just unable to say against anything else so you stick to that one point even though my other example proves you wrong either way. If people cannot view a thread as a whole and get caught up in small details like that, then they aren't really interesting to discuss with at all. (Thus I have no interest in proving my point to them at all.)

Okay... I'm about done with you. You're seriously so narcissistic you think that your examples, which don't appear in the manga, are empirical logic, and without reproach, and don't smack of bias to make Sasuke seem as strong as Naruto? You clearly aren't able to have a normal conversation, if you don't realize what you stated are not facts but interpretations. Kinda like how you've stated multiple times in this thread that the manga says Naruto and Sasuke are equal when that has NEVER been explicitly stated despite if it's true or even hinted at.

Sorry people don't all meet up to your lofty expectations, but most people will stop reading an OP if the come across something they fell is ridiculous, because there is little point in continuing. Writing 101... it's your responsibility to hook the reader.

Throw a kunai, use a rock on the ground or something else. His cooldown was done and he had enough chakra as he did swap himself.

So then no you can't prove the 2nd point I mentioned. Also I thought of a strategic reason that would have been a bad idea as well in an edit. Bringing Kaguya into melee range just to land a blow could be dangerous for his allies.