✖✖ Sasuke's Power ✖✖

[TNC Xlll]

He has proven that he can switch the place of others, with Kagyua and Madara. Even if he cannot replace organs (which was an example.) then he can still teleport Kaguya to wherever he wants, as he did it in the past. (Or he did it with Naruto/Madara, meaning he is able to do it with people too and not just objects.) He could easily have placed his hand against Naruto's and teleported Kaguya inbetween the seals and beaten her. Though plot restricts that, as seen before. We lack information on a single point, so I made a theory around that single point, still I did state the he may just be able to only swap whole objects/people. That means that I stating a possible idea, not stating it as a fact. However, I stated that plot limits that, because it does if he is able. Even without doing that, even with just swapping Kaguya as a whole, he can still instantly beat her with Naruto's help. (The seal) Meaning that plot even restricts his ability which we know he is able to do. (Meaning that logically, it restricts him from other things as well.)

He can do that

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[Shinato]

No he can't teleport Kaguya where every he wants. He would need to have to swap he body with something in between Naruto and himself. So as you say we don't know everything about this ability, so you can't make the claim that Sasuke doesn't use it in the way you think he should is purely because of plot.

You don't know all the restrictions of the ability. Of course if you're saying that the only reason the ability has restrictions is because of plot, then I can't argue against that, but that would be ridiculous argument to make since you can easily state the reason he has the ability at all is because of plot.

He has already teleported Kaguya inbetween him and Naruto, same as he did with Madara. (Unless he can swap the location of up to 4 things at the same time.) So, yes he can do that. He can throw a rock between him and Naruto and instantly swap it with Kaguya, sealing her in a second. (But again, the story would be boring if that was the end, and that is why plot restricts it.) He has already prove that he can do that, twice infact. So the conclusion is. He can either swap the place of Kaguya, or he can swap the places of up to 4 things at once. If he can swap the place of 4 things that the same time, then he could teleport him and Naruto to her back when the bones crumbled, using the crumbles and instantly sealed her that way. Either way, he have had the ability to do that with a power he has used before in the Manga against Madara. (Meaning that its not missinformation restricting him, but plot alone.)

 

[jiraiya nindo]

This is ignorance in itself. Sasuke is one of the main characters, his development has been since the beginning, with Naruto, thus classifying him as one of the main characters by default.



He's one of the more "special" narutards on here, pay little mind to him. Naruto and Sasuke are equal as it currently stands.

This is ignorance in itself. If sasuke is a main character based on your argument which is that 'his development has been going since the beginning', then I guess the whole konoha 11 are main characters too. Stfu, that's laughable lol.

 

[V h o]

I don't believe it can work like that. Characters with excellent reactions have dodged instant attacks a few times now. May be not the warp itself but the attack afterward. I assume your joking on the organs part, since if we applied that to kamui Kakashi/Obito should've killed everyone; unless that is plot too. Just kamui the brain or heart and instant kill someone.

 

[Draxus]

He has already teleported Kaguya inbetween him and Naruto, same as he did with Madara. (Unless he can swap the location of up to 4 things at the same time.) So, yes he can do that. He can throw a rock between him and Naruto and instantly swap it with Kaguya, sealing her in a second. (But again, the story would be boring if that was the end, and that is why plot restricts it.) He has already prove that he can do that, twice infact. So the conclusion is. He can either swap the place of Kaguya, or he can swap the places of up to 4 things at once. If he can swap the place of 4 things that the same time, then he could teleport him and Naruto to her back when the bones crumbled, using the crumbles and instantly sealed her that way. Either way, he have had the ability to do that with a power he has used before in the Manga against Madara. (Meaning that its not missinformation restricting him, but plot alone.)

That's great and all, but what you describe is within the limitations the majority of NB says he has. This doesn't go to prove your point toward him being able to swap with things he can simply "visualize in his head" or being able to swap out people's organs, which is what you stated he doesn't do because of plot.

Not sure were you're getting the swap 4 things at once, never seen any clue of that in the manga, never said Sasuke can't swap Kaguya with an object.

This is ignorance in itself. If sasuke is a main character based on your argument which is that 'his development has been going since the beginning', then I guess the whole konoha 11 are main characters too. Stfu, that's laughable lol.

Very true. There can be only 1 main character in story like this, and other characters that are on the same level as the main are actually called second characters.

 

[Shinato]

That's great and all, but what you describe is within the limitations the majority of NB says he has. This doesn't go to prove your point toward him being able to swap with things he can simply "visualize in his head" or being able to swap out people's organs, which is what you stated he doesn't do because of plot.

Not sure were you're getting the swap 4 things at once, never seen any clue of that in the manga, never said Sasuke can't swap Kaguya with an object.

Then I highly recommend that you read the manga before discussing it. Sasuke either swapped Kaguya with a object, or he swapped the location of himself with another thing, the location of Naruto with another thing. (That is a total of 4, 2 are Naruto and Sasuke and the other is what they swapped with.) He also did the exact same thing with Madara, so again he is either able to swap the location up to 4 things at the same time, or swap the place of anyone and anything he wishes. (Including Kaguya.) I also stated that his requirement for eye contact may just be because he needs to know what the thing he wants to swap with looks like,so if he can visualize it then he can swap with it. (Other explanation is that he needs to look at it, which he can on an organ either way, unless you need direct eye contact which was never stated.) Let me explain: We know that Sasuke is able to switch the location of other people with a object. We know that he can swap it between dimensions. We know these two because he either changed the place of Naruto or Madara/Kaguya in the past and he teleported through a dimension looking at Sakura's jacket through Obito's gate. (He never crossed Obito's gate, as he teleports which is not a movement.) I've already given a way that he and Naruto can defeat Kaguya using this ability, was it not for plot alone. (One can also argue that the fact that he teleported to something in another dimension is proof that he doesn't require direct eye contact, as he saw it through a portal, which is like seeing something through a glass. Its not direct eye contact, though that is not something I've said as a possibility.)

 

[Draxus]

Then I highly recommend that you read the manga before discussing it. Sasuke either swapped Kaguya with a object, or he swapped the location of himself with another thing, the location of Naruto with another thing. (That is a total of 4, 2 are Naruto and Sasuke and the other is what they swapped with.) He also did the exact same thing with Madara, so again he is either able to swap the location up to 4 things at the same time, or swap the place of anyone and anything he wishes. (Including Kaguya.) I also stated that his requirement for eye contact may just be because he needs to know what the thing he wants to swap with looks like,so if he can visualize it then he can swap with it. (Other explanation is that he needs to look at it, which he can on an organ either way, unless you need direct eye contact which was never stated.) Let me explain: We know that Sasuke is able to switch the location of other people with a object. We know that he can swap it between dimensions. We know these two because he either changed the place of Naruto or Madara/Kaguya in the past and he teleported through a dimension looking at Sakura's jacket through Obito's gate. (He never crossed Obito's gate, as he teleports which is not a movement.) I've already given a way that he and Naruto can defeat Kaguya using this ability, was it not for plot alone. (One can also argue that the fact that he teleported to something in another dimension is proof that he doesn't require direct eye contact, as he saw it through a portal, which is like seeing something through a glass. Its not direct eye contact, though that is not something I've said as a possibility.)

I highly recommend you read my post before replying.

I never said Sasuke couldn't swap himself with another person or object. Of course Sasuke teleported Kaguya between him and Naruto. The reason Sasuke can't just do this at anytime is due to the cooldown and distance, not "just plot". Stop trying to move the goal post! Your OP is about Sasuke being able to swap out organs or bodyparts.

He does need direct eye contact, because he had to SEE Sakura's jacket in order to swap with it and the portal was still open when he preformed the jutsu. So he didn't teleport between dimensions, and has to at least "tag" the object with his eye. You also can't assume he can separate a part of an object as he has only swap whole objects at this point.

So in order for you theory to work with what we know about Sasuke's power, internal organs are out, but you still have no way to prove he can separate said external organ or body part from the body.

 

[jiraiya nindo]

Then I highly recommend that you read the manga before discussing it. Sasuke either swapped Kaguya with a object, or he swapped the location of himself with another thing, the location of Naruto with another thing. (That is a total of 4, 2 are Naruto and Sasuke and the other is what they swapped with.) He also did the exact same thing with Madara, so again he is either able to swap the location up to 4 things at the same time, or swap the place of anyone and anything he wishes. (Including Kaguya.) I also stated that his requirement for eye contact may just be because he needs to know what the thing he wants to swap with looks like,so if he can visualize it then he can swap with it. (Other explanation is that he needs to look at it, which he can on an organ either way, unless you need direct eye contact which was never stated.) Let me explain: We know that Sasuke is able to switch the location of other people with a object. We know that he can swap it between dimensions. We know these two because he either changed the place of Naruto or Madara/Kaguya in the past and he teleported through a dimension looking at Sakura's jacket through Obito's gate. (He never crossed Obito's gate, as he teleports which is not a movement.) I've already given a way that he and Naruto can defeat Kaguya using this ability, was it not for plot alone. (One can also argue that the fact that he teleported to something in another dimension is proof that he doesn't require direct eye contact, as he saw it through a portal, which is like seeing something through a glass. Its not direct eye contact, though that is not something I've said as a possibility.)

He swapped kaguya with a piece of debris so that she would be perfectly inbetween naruto and sasuke. This happened right before she put both of them in ice. So, he wasn't swapping 4 things...just two things. In the other scenario, sasuke swapped himself with sakura's cargo jacket. You are saying that sasuke can swap between dimensions like kaguya but he can't. Sasuke was only able to swap with sakura's jacket(in the other dimension) because obito had opened the pathway to the dimension. So sasuke was only able to teleport because the dimension was open. He doesn't have the ability to swap through dimensions

 

[Shinato]

I highly recommend you read my post before replying.

I never said Sasuke couldn't swap himself with another person or object. Of course Sasuke teleported Kaguya between him and Naruto. Stop trying to move the goal post! Your OP is about Sasuke being able to swap out organs or bodyparts.

The reason Sasuke can't just do this at anytime is due to the cooldown and distance, not "just plot". He does need direct eye contact, because he had to SEE Sakura's jacket in order to swap with it and the portal was still open when he preformed the jutsu. You also can't assume he can seperate a part of an object as he has only swap whole objects at this point.

XD​ I am not really the person who likes to insult others, but I need to ask this. How stupid can you really get? This is beyond delusional, this is almost Minamoto level. I did read your post, and you said the following; "No he can't teleport Kaguya where every he wants." Here you are saying that he can't, and now you are saying he can. You are saying against yourself, ruining your own point(s), ruining the fun for me of ruining them. My OP is not about swapping body parts or organs as I stated in the OP and after that. Its an example/possible thing. It is one of the things he should be logically able to do. By your logic, your last post is about Sasuke when he teleported a cake. (See I did like you did, took out a single point of it and said your entire post was about that.) I stated organs as an example, then stated another example that has nothing to do with that after it, both are logically possible and if you deny both then you are denying Sasuke's ability that we have proof of. (Which again means you are denying a fact that is proven, you can deny one, not the other.) Away from lack on reading before arguing. Sasuke teleported himself right next to Kaguya, meaning his cooldown was down and she was within range. Meaning he could instantly have either teleported her head off, or if that wouldn't work then he could have teleported either her inbetween Naruto and him, or the two of them next to her. (Instantly beating her, but again plot restricts that.) He also doesn't need to look at what wants to swap with, he didn't do that the very first time he did it. (He was looking at Madara and swapped place with something to the right of him.) Even if he isn't able to swap only a part of a object or person, as I stated as a possibility, not the main point of my thread then he could still swap the places of Kaguya and instantly seal her away with Naruto's help. Though again, plot restricts it.

 

[Shinato]

He swapped kaguya with a piece of debris so that she would be perfectly inbetween naruto and sasuke. This happened right before she put both of them in ice. So, he wasn't swapping 4 things...just two things. In the other scenario, sasuke swapped himself with sakura's cargo jacket. You are saying that sasuke can swap between dimensions like kaguya but he can't. Sasuke was only able to swap with sakura's jacket(in the other dimension) because obito had opened the pathway to the dimension. So sasuke was only able to teleport because the dimension was open. He doesn't have the ability to swap through dimensions

You are supporting my point in the same sentence as you try to say against me? Wait what? I said that he is either able to swap the location of 4 objects at the same time. (Him, Naruto and 2 other objects) OR he is able to swap the location of Kaguya (Which Draxus said he wasn't able to do.) but it was never really explained so either case is fully possible. (But him only swapping Kaguya is more logical, which is why I stated that is the first and most likely one.) Teleportation works this way, you start at location A and you get to location B without touching or moving through the air or atoms inbetween. Its not a quick movement, its simply ending up somewhere else in a second. Meaning that Sasuke never went through Obito's portal, he only saw through it. (Again, that means he swapped dimensions.) Its the same as having a house with 2 rooms, one door that is open and connects the two rooms and a exit in each room. Obito opens the door that connects the rooms, it closes before Sasuke can enter it so he takes the exit that is in his room and enters through the exit in the other room. (Appearing in the other room without never entering Obito's door.)

 

[LavaStyle]

The fanboy is strong with this one.

I expected flaming Amaterasu to comment more to defend his beloved sasuke.

And OP, about your organ swapping thing, he has to visually see an object, and I'd say it has to be a solid object.. (Not just somebody's head).

Also, she did dodge an instant chidori, sasuke is just too slow for her.

 

[jiraiya nindo]

You are supporting my point in the same sentence as you try to say against me? Wait what? I said that he is either able to swap the location of 4 objects at the same time. (Him, Naruto and 2 other objects) OR he is able to swap the location of Kaguya (Which Draxus said he wasn't able to do.) but it was never really explained so either case is fully possible. (But him only swapping Kaguya is more logical, which is why I stated that is the first and most likely one.) Teleportation works this way, you start at location A and you get to location B without touching or moving through the air or atoms inbetween. Its not a quick movement, its simply ending up somewhere else in a second. Meaning that Sasuke never went through Obito's portal, he only saw through it. (Again, that means he swapped dimensions.) Its the same as having a house with 2 rooms, one door that is open and connects the two rooms and a exit in each room. Obito opens the door that connects the rooms, it closes before Sasuke can enter it so he takes the exit that is in his room and enters through the exit in the other room. (Appearing in the other room without never entering Obito's door.)

Your notion of teleportation is right but your analogy is still wrong. Sasuke is definitely teleporting...we both agree on that. You're saying that sasuke used his own door instead of obito's door but this is false. When sasuke was in the sand dimension, he claimed there was nothing he could do to escape. Hence, he doesn't have his own door(using your analogy), all he has/had was obito's door to swap through dimensions.

There are 2 components to his tech when swapping dimensions:
1) he needs to see the item he is swapping with or is using to swap (it is an ocular jutsu afterall)
2) he needs to have an open door
--in this case that was obito's S/T kamui

With these, he can teleport through different dimensions. Without these, he can't. You are speculating by stating that sasuke could teleport through the dimension even without obito's kamui, which hasn't been supported by facts in the manga. That's fanboying

 

[Shinato]

Your notion of teleportation is right but your analogy is still wrong. Sasuke is definitely teleporting...we both agree on that. You're saying that sasuke used his own door instead of obito's door but this is false. When sasuke was in the sand dimension, he claimed there was nothing he could do to escape. Hence, he doesn't have his own door(using your analogy), all he has/had was obito's door to swap through dimensions.

There are 2 components to his tech when swapping dimensions:
1) he needs to see the item he is swapping with or is using to swap (it is an ocular jutsu afterall)
2) he needs to have an open door
--in this case that was obito's S/T kamui

With these, he can teleport through different dimensions. Without these, he can't. You are speculating by stating that sasuke could teleport through the dimension even without obito's kamui, which hasn't been supported by facts in the manga. That's fanboying

He doesn't need to have direct contact with it to teleport, that was proven the first time he used it. He however, most likely need to know what he wants to swap with. This is most likely why nothing he did worked to teleport back to the Ice Dimension. He couldn't define a shape and mass of anything he could swap with, as its easier when you see it. (This is also why I do think Kaguya has castles in her dimensions, she is swapping the dimensions, not the people, using the castle as a catalyst.) If he knew what to swap with, then he would most likely have done so, Obito's "gate" was nothing but a window. Its neither supported by facts, nor does the facts hold against it. (Meaning, that both cases are possible.) Denying that both are possible outcomes but only one can be right in the end is hating.

 

[Shinato]

And OP, about your organ swapping thing, he has to visually see an object, and I'd say it has to be a solid object.. (Not just somebody's head).

Also, she did dodge an instant chidori, sasuke is just too slow for her.

Yes, it makes perfect sense that I am a fanboy when I state that Naruto and Sasuke are equals. (Perfect sense, besides the fact that it goes against fanboying in general.) You said that you'd say it have to be a solid object, not backing that up with any facts which is as I said a possibility, as is what I said about a specific part of the body. Also, she didn't dodge a instant Chidori, she dodge a chidori close to her, a normal chidori. If the Chidori was instant, then she would have no way to dodge it. The movement of Sasuke to her was instant, the chidori was not.

 

[HouKage]

He only has to 'visualize'? He didn't go through Obito's opening but teleported because he could 'visualize' the backpack? <-- quantum leap type jumps and assumptions there, buddy.

I am sure he could visualize where Madara's legs were . . .since he put them there . .. or many a different things from the old realm
why not switch with something he had back at the old cave rather than dehydrating in the desert?

 

[Shinato]

He only has to 'visualize'? He didn't go through Obito's opening but teleported because he could 'visualize' the backpack? <-- quantum leap type jumps and assumptions there, buddy.

I am sure he could visualize where Madara's legs were . . .since he put them there . .. or many a different things from the old realm
why not switch with something he had back at the old cave rather than dehydrating in the desert?

He has already proven that he requires no eye contact to swap places. Also, what use would it be to swap Madara's legs? Ruining it for the Hokages and leaving him the real world unable to help Naruto and the world be gone? Seems like a genius idea.

 

[LavaStyle]

Yes, it makes perfect sense that I am a fanboy when I state that Naruto and Sasuke are equals. (Perfect sense, besides the fact that it goes against fanboying in general.) You said that you'd say it have to be a solid object, not backing that up with any facts which is as I said a possibility, as is what I said about a specific part of the body. Also, she didn't dodge a instant Chidori, she dodge a chidori close to her, a normal chidori. If the Chidori was instant, then she would have no way to dodge it. The movement of Sasuke to her was instant, the chidori was not.

Well that shows just how much naruto is stronger than sasuke, when fanboys are now claiming them to be equal.. Scraping at empty barrels here.

Do you disagree that sasuke is too slow for her? He hasn't touched her yet.

 

[HouKage]

She didn't dodge his teleportation, she dodged his Chidori. Meaning that she has the speed to react to a Chidori on close range, which many characters have. If Sasuke had just teleported Kaguya onto his Chidori, then she would have been hit or if he had just teleported her so that Naruto and Sasuke's hands were touching her then she would have lost instantly, but because of plot that is impossible.

So he would have to make her switch places with his glove?
He has been shown to to make anything switch . . . beyond himself?

 

[HouKage]

He has already proven that he requires no eye contact to swap places. Also, what use would it be to swap Madara's legs? Ruining it for the Hokages and leaving him the real world unable to help Naruto and the world be gone? Seems like a genius idea.

He would know what's going on with the Hokage's . . . how exactly?
Where is it 'proven'?

 

[Shinato]

Well that shows just how much naruto is stronger than sasuke, when fanboys are now claiming them to be equal.. Scraping at empty barrels here.

Do you disagree that sasuke is too slow for her? He hasn't touched her yet.

No, I mean the effect of swapping dimensions affected Sasuke enough to give her time to dodge. (And yes it did affect him, by shock and the gravitation change. If it didn't then she wouldn't have wasted chakra on doing it, not to mention time.) He has touched her several times using his Susano'o, just not inflicted damage on her. Beyond that, he has been the closest to beating her, well he needs Naruto to do that but it was his move that almost made them win once. Also, I've stated that they have been equals ever since Part II came to the Pain arc. Beyond that, the manga has stated that they are equals several times. Denying that is either hating or fanboying, you can decide who you are, a blind hater or a ignorant fanboy.