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[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

@bold... nah the fans simply over think stuff. Hence, why the author suceeds in creating a good manga, fans like yourself create theories and so on. But from a writer's point of view.... things are never that complicated.


Juubi is to Rikudou, as Kurama was to Naruto. I'm pretty Rikudou wasn't just born without a rival , and immediately was hailed as a God. Considering that the Sage is shown to face the Juubi as a adult, it totally cancels off the Madara and Hashirama perspective for rikudou and Juubi.

So ultimately you're saying that Rikūdo and Jūbi, like Naruto and Kurama, had a "bond", the latter were enemies who became friends, while the former were friends who became enemies, reverse parallelism.

 

[KingHashirama]

So ultimately you're saying that Rikūdo and Jūbi, like Naruto and Kurama, had a "bond", the latter were enemies who became friends, while the former were friends who became enemies, reverse parallelism.

You didn't understand what i said. I'm referring to the hatred that Kurama had, even when Naruto had Kurama's power. Especially since Naruto is the one that is supposed to deal with the hatred of the Juubi and lead it down the right path. I doubt that can be done for Obito or Madara

You claimed a bond like Madara and Hashirama's.... which is not even possible. Unless the Juubi was a human being or a small pet that Rikudou's family had.

 

[Transcendence]

@bold... nah the fans simply over think stuff. Hence, why the author suceeds in creating a good manga, fans like yourself create theories and so on. But from a writer's point of view.... things are never that complicated.


Juubi is to Rikudou, as Kurama was to Naruto. I'm pretty Rikudou wasn't just born without a rival , and immediately was hailed as a God. Considering that the Sage is shown to face the Juubi as a adult, it totally cancels off the Madara and Hashirama perspective for rikudou and Juubi.

As for the Obito part.. are you claiming you knew everything that happened with Obito before it happened?

However, Kishimoto from the start had already set up the character of "OBITO" , and the resemblance between the character of "Tobi" and "Obito" was too high, for it to have been anyone else. If Tobi wasn't going to be Obito, then the showcasing the Kakashi story would've been a waste of manga.

So Obito was already set in Part 1 to be Tobi.

So you mean reverse parallelism? No. Any sort of parallelism in this manga is completely direct. You just hit out at theories for being "over thought" because 1. You can't comprehend the mass logic of the theory or 2. You take everything at face value and refuse to look past basic context to search for other meaning which in turn can lead to accurate future predictions.

 

[Varrah]

That is the problem with previous Tobi theorists, they only think from a plot logical perspective and not from the writer's perspective himself, they argued that Tobi could not be Obito because Obito was "too young" to have fought on equal footing with Minato, and that Madara could not have been alive when Obito was crushed by the boulder, and that Obito could not have grown so powerful in such a short span of time, then we find out that through Kishimoto's "divine intervention" Madara was kept alive by the Gedo Mazo, and that Obito was strengthened with Madara's training and White Zetsu.

And Obito being Tobi was done, in accordance with Kishimoto's style, for dramatic impact, what would create the most dramatic impact of Tobi's identity? his identitie's relation with the protagonists (Kakashi) and the resolution of the question regarding the "unkept promise" of protecting Rin, compared to the other apathetic Tobi candidates like Izuna, Kagami, Elder Son, etc. and also the tension that would arouse between the Real Madara and Tobi, if Tobi was made Izuna then there would have been no friction between Madara and Tobi which would have ultimately lead to his defiance like we see in Obito now.

This does not pertain to me; review my conservation with –Logic-. I mentioned several times that Tobi could be or was Obito, but I did not like the possibility for fear of Masashi’s execution of the revelation—which from what I can perceive has not been received well in the amongst readers. At most, I favored Tobi equaling Izuna, as brother cooperating in a war resonated for me, more than Tobi equaling Obito—I never once denounced the possibility of Obito being the revelation. I may have posts withholding judgment on Tobi—but that was largely because of wanting confirmation firstly and secondly ridding a resonated idea: Tobi equaling Izuna, Madara’s brother. I never outright repudiated the notion as you are claiming.

And Jūbi, I—as a poster—never make claims towards your disposition, but your words regarding my thoughts or words in the Obito are inaccurate; they are wholly fallacious. You need a clear picture, not an excerpt of a thought butchered by another’s hand.

And since I know your posting style, let me regurgitate my words: review my conservation with –Logic-. -. I mentioned several times that Tobi could be or was Obito, but I did not like the possibility for fear of Masashi’s execution of the revelation—which from what I can perceive has not been received well in the amongst readers.

I can ride a high horse and tell you “Ah, I was right—Obito’s background has been poorly received by readers.” For them it consists of Rin, Rin, and Rin.”

But I will not—as a previous Tobi theorist does not apply to me.​

Kishimoto works on the paradigm of protagonist-antagonist "bonds" that a relationship existed between the former and the latter, ultimately ending in schism (eg. Hashirama -Madara) that is what we call "dramatic literary impacy" so from Kishimoto's perspective, what would be the relationship of Rikudou and the Juubi? protagonist and antagonist? simple, they were once friends who became enemies.

It is a classic example of Tariki (他力) or obtaining knowledge and power from an outside source or Divinity, the Juubi, being friends with Rikudou, taught him the nature of Chakra.

Duh…

Yet that makes my response abated in what way; are trying to inform me of things already known. We both know how Masashi writes his story—I simply view certain outcomes differently from you and those views lead me to creating more stabled theoretics than yourself. I thought you were sincerely inquiring me about the thought which made this theory...but it seems otherwise.

Please get back to the subject Jūbi​

 

[KingHashirama]

So you mean reverse parallelism? No. Any sort of parallelism in this manga is completely direct. You just hit out at theories for being "over thought" because 1. You can't comprehend the mass logic of the theory or 2. You take everything at face value and refuse to look past basic context to search for other meaning which in turn can lead to accurate future predictions.

" I'm referring to the hatred that Kurama had, even when Naruto had Kurama's power. Especially since Naruto is the one that is supposed to deal with the hatred of the Juubi and lead it down the right path."


@ Bold Though i can make the same claim about you guys? .


Example, Uzumaki and Hyuuga are the origins of the ninja world.... too simple why? Those clans are the 2 clans that haven't received any hype, so its pretty obvious those will pay a important part (I'm not claiming they will, since the clan stuff seems to be all done with now, but i'm giving you a example, of how i can say the same about you..).

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

You didn't understand what i said. I'm referring to the hatred that Kurama had, even when Naruto had Kurama's power. Especially since Naruto is the one that is supposed to deal with the hatred of the Juubi and lead it down the right path. I doubt that can be done for Obito or Madara

You claimed a bond like Madara and Hashirama's.... which is not even possible. Unless the Juubi was a human being or a small pet that Rikudou's family had.

So ultimately, a bond exist between all dichotomies in Naruto, and it is not impossible for a sapient Progenitor to interact and share relationships with one of his creations, think of the Theistic God for example.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

This does not pertain to me; review my conservation with –Logic-. I mentioned several times that Tobi could be or was Obito, but I did not like the possibility for fear of Masashi’s execution of the revelation—which from what I can perceive has not been received well in the amongst readers. At most, I favored Tobi equaling Izuna, as brother cooperating in a war resonated for me, more than Tobi equaling Obito—I never once denounced the possibility of Obito being the revelation. I may have posts withholding judgment on Tobi—but that was largely because of wanting confirmation firstly and secondly ridding a resonated idea: Tobi equaling Izuna, Madara’s brother. I never outright repudiated the notion as you are claiming.

And Jūbi, I—as a poster—never make claims towards your disposition, but your words regarding my thoughts or words in the Obito are inaccurate; they are wholly fallacious. You need a clear picture, not an excerpt of a thought butchered by another’s hand.

And since I know your posting style, let me regurgitate my words: review my conservation with –Logic-. -. I mentioned several times that Tobi could be or was Obito, but I did not like the possibility for fear of Masashi’s execution of the revelation—which from what I can perceive has not been received well in the amongst readers.

I can ride a high horse and tell you “Ah, I was right—Obito’s background has been poorly received by readers.” For them it consists of Rin, Rin, and Rin.”

But I will not—as a previous Tobi theorist does not apply to me.​

Duh…

Yet that makes my response abated in what way; are trying to inform me of things already known or are you sincerely inquiring me about the thought which made this theory?​

You sound agitated, I'm merely saving you from making a serious error, but if you refuse to listen then I'll leave you be, like it's said "Where ignorance is bliss 'tis folly to be wise"

btw:

For all we know, Izuna's consciousnesses is what is inhabiting Obito's body.

You were saying?

 

[KingHashirama]

So ultimately, a bond exist between all dichotomies in Naruto, and it is not impossible for a sapient Progenitor to interact and share relationships with one of his creations, think of the Theistic God for example.

And Juubi is the creation here?

A bond exists between all dichotomies in Naruto, when they become dichotomies.

 

[Moss]

Ad hominem, Derp.

 

[Varrah]

You sound agitated, I'm merely saving you from making a serious error, but if you refuse to listen then I'll leave you be, like it's said "Where ignorance is bliss 'tis folly to be wise"

btw:



You were saying?

I had to stop typing for a moment...that was your response? If so that is disheartening.

I literally just said this:​

This does not pertain to me; review my conservation with –Logic-. I mentioned several times that Tobi could be or was Obito, but I did not like the possibility for fear of Masashi’s execution of the revelation—which from what I can perceive has not been received well in the amongst readers. At most, I favored Tobi equaling Izuna, as brother cooperating in a war resonated for me, more than Tobi equaling Obito—I never once denounced the possibility of Obito being the revelation. I may have posts withholding judgment on Tobi—but that was largely because of wanting confirmation firstly and secondly ridding a resonated idea: Tobi equaling Izuna, Madara’s brother. I never outright repudiated the notion as you are claiming.

And Jūbi, I—as a poster—never make claims towards your disposition, but your words regarding my thoughts or words in the Obito are inaccurate; they are wholly fallacious. You need a clear picture, not an excerpt of a thought butchered by another’s hand.

And since I know your posting style, let me regurgitate my words: review my conservation with –Logic-. -. I mentioned several times that Tobi could be or was Obito, but I did not like the possibility for fear of Masashi’s execution of the revelation—which from what I can perceive has not been received well in the amongst readers.​

Refer to the bold slated gray, Jūbi I don't know if you are reading correctly, but I literally just prescribed you taking my words out of context; and you went and did as I said.


Wait a moment...


I recall you butchering Waltz and Blaze Release words because they did not agree with you...please don't strive to make a similar instance.

Is this the theme with you Jūbi?
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[Charstin]

Kishi is back. I miss you varrah :,(

 

[Varrah]

Reviving thread holds merit for another. ​