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here's the theory for your laziness: Toneri is an Uzumaki (belonging to Hamura's lineage) Again, there are no facts stating that the Uzumakis are Senju's descendants. Look through the entire manga, look at the similarities and parallels, the only parallels you will see is that Uzumaki and...

I truly advise you to move this over to the other threads: https://animebase.me/threads/uzumaki-is-senju-is-just-a-theory.775398/ https://animebase.me/threads/filling-in-the-plotholes-of-the-otsutsuki-fam-theories-head-canon-etc.775317/#post-22010276 This is the last time I will continue the...

1589858035 Who's to say that? We didn't get anything from Hagoromo and Hamura to begin with. Another is Indra having Mangekyu. Hagoromo was never shown to have that. What makes Mangekyu a Hagoromo trait then if you deny Jougan isn't a Hamura trait? 1589858140 The beginning of the manga...

Knowing that they have close personal relationship with one another, it isn't enough to assume that they aren't. Knowing and not knowing isn't proof. It just means they are close. Again, this panel is from a time where there are no Hagoromo and Hamura. Just Rikuduo Sennin. They happen after...

"remote" uhhh ok. Nagato being Senju isn't enough to make an entire clan a Senju. That's the fucking logic fallacy coming from you. My example of me referring to Hamura theory came from my argument that we had there. That being you are illogical and do not budge when proven an evidence...

>Nagato = Senju blood thereby making Uzumaki Clan as Senju's descendants XDDDD >Asking me for proof >gets proof >only acknowledge direct and explicit statements >but wholeheartedly acknowledge Nagato being Senju is proof that Uzumaki is Senju >Cannot provide proof so asks me to defend my case...

stop describing yourself. Come on man.. That's my job. Where them scans at bro? You keep asking me to do stuff and you haven't done anything to prove your point. I've been proving my point and you haven't done anything.. KEEP DENYING FACTS BRO 1589848422 @minamoto Help your friend out...

BIG OOOF. Wide speculation. Where's your manga scans, databook, and movie reference on that? here's mine stating Naruto's competencies. How does it feel to be dumb? Are you aware of your own stupidity? Or are you too stupid to perceive that? KEEP RUNNING BOI! YOU GOT NOTHING BUT FANFiCS...

can't concentrate brings incompetency? LMAOO what? ineffective maybe. Not incompetence. I bet you don't even know that big word. Dumb people should stick to dumb things. I was liking your commitment to that. Don't use big words you don't know the use of. Be a good boi and be dumb else where...

It makes sense. Also there is a nature for their cycles. The cycle does not repeat until both transmigrants die. One is Indra cycles again, then Asura pursues. Although that could just mere speculation since I don't quite remember who is older, Madara or Hashirama. But yes, it makes sense that...

So what you're saying is you talked out of your ass?

It's a major plothole. Kishi just wanted Naruto to be the Rikudou Sennin (before there was Kaguya, Hagoromo and Hamura). I mean, Tsunade is alive still. Orochimaru also had tons of Hashirama cells. Kabuto perfected the body. If Orochimaru can create a swarm of Shin Uchiha, Senjus can be...

oof, because the other clans aren't on the topic there? Imagine if someone were talking and they started listing ALL of their relatives? The ****? anyways, you have Nagato being said he is a Senju descendant and not the entire clan. There goes your fanfic. You forget that there is no more...

That's your stance.. I understand and that's not what we are arguing. We know that Naruto gets good later on. your friend on the other hand was too much in his head canon that he just blatantly says he sucks We refuted, we gave facts. He ignored. He asked for more facts, now it is given, yet...

backtracking? BTW what's with the straw man argument? The main point was to prove Naruto sucks at chakra control? you brought up Madara and him "absorbing" senjutsu. we said: No! Hashirama is using senjutsu. Now you are still trying to divert the discussion. You friend says: Naruto sucks...

where? find me one is it Nagato? cuz... man, idk what to tell you, you can have more than 2 clan lineage you know? Like that's how non-incest families work. Also you only have ONE.. One that is referred to as a Senju descendant. Good luck with proving your case XD Pathetic weak evidence...

Nice but it is futile when it comes to salamander. He's a bit daft and a fanatic. You know how those people are. I still have high hopes for minamoto though. I've had some discussions with him before. He was logical then. I think he is trying hard to defend his dumb friend though. 1589839850...

Segway, irrelevant. IDK why you're so focused on this shit TBH. yes, absorbing isn't the same as actually learning and achieving Senjutsu. It is the same reason as Sasuke not learning senjutsu. Sasuke was bit by Oro. How the **** is that similar to training with the Toad Sages? Madara...

What's with the segwey? "absorbing" first off, Madara took a long time to awaken the Rinnegan. He ate Hashirama's body and cultivated it. He combined himself with his DNA + had the Gedo Mazou helping him through the process. THIS TOOK A LONG TIME! His 2nd coming revival, the body of his Edo...

Madara didn't do shit when it came to learning senjutsu. WTF are you talking about? He just ate Hashirama. His body was created from Hashirama cells? Of course he naturally can control it since it is Hashirama's tech and Hashirama's body.. ??? Naruto subdued Kurama in case you've...