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palm to the face in part1 everyone was fodder outside Itachi most Akatsuki members could solo part1-fodderverse excluding Itachi and Kisame OT he was cool indeed... too bad Kishi hates non-bishounen characters so he had to be solo'd

Itachi is healthy, Danzou isn't holding back and hasn't used KA yet Edo Tensei is restricted but other summons (Katsuyu, Manda2, etc) are allowed distance: 100 feet knowledge: round1: full round2: no location: Kimimaro vs Naruto/Lee/Gaara who wins and with what difficulty?

made rashoumon-gates look like fodder-gates

Chibaku Tensei is restricted, Itachi and Nagato have edo chakra reserves but they can be killed the Gokage are in character, Itachi and Nagato are controlled by Kabuto location: open field distance: 100 feet knowledge: round1: no round2: manga who wins and with what difficulty?

most unbiased post in this thread

Katsuyu vs Manda, Enma, Gamaken, the Sage of White Snake distance: 500 feet knowledge: round1: no round2: full restrictions: no who wins and with what difficulty?

Pain arc is the best imo

weakest Hokage by feats Tobirama beats her since he performed a very fast jutsu that can easily cut her head off... with her speed feats she has no chance of dodging a spice time ninjutsu which is instant Minato doesn't really need explanation Hashirama beats her with low difficulty now only...

Shikamaru is smarter imo

from what we've seen in the manga Onoki solo's Hiruzen and Tsunade

distance: 100 feet Obito has full knowledge, team has no knowledge location: open field restrictions: no

Gaara *defeats Sasuke* people "haha Sasuke got fodderized " Naruto *fodderizes Orochimaru* people "haha Naruto fodderized Oro" Bee *takes team Taka to its limit* people "haha team Taka fodderized" Naruto *defeats Pain* people "OOH Naruto is so awesome" Obito *fodderizes rama bros* people "meh...

we've seen how easily he stomped on their clones Hashirama who's the strongest admitted inferiority Tobirama and Hiruzen also admitted that Obito can soloshit on them I'm sure Obito >>>> the Hokage (even if Tsunade joins Lol) Obito haters: feel free to disagree with the manga and the hokage's...

location: open field distance: 12 feet knowledge: no knowledge, but Itachi knows Hashirama is a Hokage therefore he has troublesome jutsus restrictions: hype, prep time (which means Hashirama can't start with mokuton bunshin since it counts as prep time) Who wins and with what difficulty?

Oro's only feat in that battle is 3x demonic gates and Oral rebirth your point?

tired to debate but Tsunade is the same tier as Oro who barely defeated an old Hiruzen whose chakra / strength / speed / decreased

I never said his hype is right but there are about 8364 people who think he would lose to Sakura/Tsunade/Tenten/Orochimaru/3tomoe Kakashi/etc

lol @ bandwagoners who're trying to turn this into a Hiruzen vs Hashirama thread *still waiting for scans*

finally is the elder son top 50? is Kakashi's father stronger than Neji? only feats allowed *waiting for your answer* I never said he's the strongest but he's clearly not as fodder as most people consider him the strongest is Juubi Obito followed by Edo Madara ET Kabuto Hashirama I'm the...

when was his hype proven wrong? ...seriously... I must have missed that chapter in which his prime strength was revealed and wasn't as impressive as his hype said... ...it's also possible that I'm just reading wrong manga unlike those who consider him overhyped/overrated... *waiting for scans*