The Uchiha, Senju, Uzumaki, Rikudo and the Juubi. Whats the connection?

[Namikaze Haru]

Now i don't know if this has been said before but ima go ahead and do it anyway.

First of all. we all know that the rikudo sennin is the ancestor of the uchiha and the senju.

now the uzumaki are apparently branched from the senju. now im not going to say i think this is wrong or right since i don't write the manga, but have you ever thought that it is the other way around. that the senju are actually branched from the uzumaki.

now a few people have made theories about how the rikudo sennin was an uzumaki. and this could very likely be the case and ill show you how.

the uchiha are said to have inherited the rikudo's eyes while the senju are said to have inherited his body but whose eyes and body did they actually inherit? the rikudo's? or the juubi's?

why is it that the juubi's eyes look so simliar to the sharingan/rinnegan, it would be foolish to say it is coincedence. and this where i get my theory.

i think the rikudo was an uzumaki. the uzumaki are skilled in sealing techniques hence the reason he was able to seal the juubi inside him. by sealing the juubi inside him, he then gained the powers of the juubi (eyes and body of the juubi) giving him the rinnegan. and then his two children inherited those powers from him creating the uchiha and senju.

now im not saying this is correct and asking questions usually only lead to more questions. and when you think about there a lot of questions. like

why did madara chose to pass his eyes onto uzumaki nagato instead of another uchiha or a senju? to handle the rinnegan you need both the powers of the senju and the uchiha. and if like i said the senju and uchiha inherited their powers from the juubi, then it makes sense that only an uzumaki body could handle it.

why is it that the uchiha and the senju can control tailed beasts? i know that not every single one of them could but i think every single one of them had the potential. the only ones who fulfilled that potential was the uchiha who awakened MS and hashirama with his wood.

why is it that madara and obito are able to bond with the juubi and connect with its mind, it makes sense to say that they have simliar chakra, and that why they were able to do so.

who destroyed the uzumaki clan and why did they do it? who feared the uzumaki clan enough to feel the need to destroy them. now they may not be as strong ninjutsu wise as the uchiha and senju. but if im right and the rikudo was an uzumaki and was able to seal something as strong as the juubi then they do pose a threat. someone saw this threat and chose to get rid of it.

was it madara? it makes sense when you think about his goal, to revive the juubi and use it power. maybe he found the rikudo's origins and since they are able to seal the juubi. he decided to destroy to destroy them.

what does this mean?

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naruto's seal is an uzumaki seal. yet kurama recognized it as the rikudo's seal.

there are so many more questions to ask but the last one for now is if the uzumaki are supposedly branched from the senju clan then why can't the senju clan use sealing techniques like the uzumaki can? hashirama could but his wife was uzumaki mito the same way minato's wife was uzumaki kushina.

we once wondered why the senju and uchiha were so special, then we found out that they are the rikudo's descendants. that is their origin but whats about the rikudo himself, what are the origins of him and his powers? was the rinnegan his or did he get it from absorbing the juubi?

 

[rollin]

i can't answer any of your other questions but i do believe that the seal is the one rikudo made to protect the world from the juubi
and passed down

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[Namikaze Haru]

i can't answer any of your other questions but i do believe that the seal is the one rikudo made to protect the world from the juubi
and passed down

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very true but the uzumaki the most skilled sealing, and also there could be a reason why kurama's jinchuuriki are all uzumaki, maybe only they had the body to host him.

another interesting thing is notice how obito says "as the jinchuuriki of the juubi, the rikudo sennin was beyond what we call human" meaning he had gained the juubi's power

 

[AaaaNinja]

Now i don't know if this has been said before but ima go ahead and do it anyway.

First of all. we all know that the rikudo sennin is the ancestor of the uchiha and the senju.

now the uzumaki are apparently related to the senju. now im not going to say i think this is wrong or right since i don't write the manga, but have you ever thought that it is the other way around. that the senju are actually related to the uzumaki.

Some people say that I am related to my dad, but I think it's the other way, that my dad is actually related to me. :flaw:

it may sound like the same thing but if you are smart (no offense to anyone) you know what i mean.

I think the responsibility for clarity falls on the one starting the discussion. Thanks for the laugh though.

naruto's seal is an uzumaki seal. yet kurama recognized it as the rikudo's seal.

there are so many more questions to ask but the last one for now is if the uzumaki are supposedly branched from the senju clan then why can't the senju clan use sealing techniques like the uzumaki can? hashirama could but his wife was uzumaki mito the same way minato's wife was uzumaki kushina.

Where does it say that seal is an Uzumaki seal?

very true but the uzumaki the most skilled sealing, and also there could be a reason why kurama's jinchuuriki are all uzumaki, maybe only they had the body to host him.

another interesting thing is notice how obito says "as the jinchuuriki of the juubi, the rikudo sennin was beyond what we call human" meaning he had gained the juubi's power

It might be more complex than the clan having the most sealing skill, though a clan might find itself specializing in tech that is most improved by their abilities. But the origin of sealing tech is still unknown. The manga says that they specialized but was silent on the origins of sealing. Minato proves that anyone can become proficient with enough study, so studying seals could just be a matter of tradition in the clan.

For why they were particularly feared and targeted for that skill, hrmmmmmm..... that's a mystery.

Kushina said that at the time she was the best candidate for hosting Kurama because of a particular kind of chakra that she had.

 

[Namikaze Haru]

Some people say that I am related to my dad, but I think it's the other way, that my dad is actually related to me. :flaw:



I think the responsibility for clarity falls on the one starting the discussion. Thanks for the laugh though.



Where does it say that seal is an Uzumaki seal?

what are you tryna be funny...

u fail, anyone which common sense could easily understand what i am trying to say but from your response i guess not everyone is that smart, and for the benefit of a dumbass like you ill change it...

everyone knows that all the sealing techniques that minato knew were taught to him by kushina who is an uzumaki but from ur lack of common sense i can see why u fail to realize that

 

[superfuzzyllama]

Now i don't know if this has been said before but ima go ahead and do it anyway.

First of all. we all know that the rikudo sennin is the ancestor of the uchiha and the senju.

now the uzumaki are apparently branched from the senju. now im not going to say i think this is wrong or right since i don't write the manga, but have you ever thought that it is the other way around. that the senju are actually branched from the uzumaki.

now a few people have made theories about how the rikudo sennin was an uzumaki.

What has been stated in the manga is this, that the Uzumaki and Senju are distant relatives. Now I stated in a thread before that we do not know how far this link goes because we do not know how long ago the SO6P existed, simple as that. It could mean they are potentially branched from the other at some point in the past as you have stated but what is clear is that fact that this relationship existed and developed for quite some time before the villages were formed.

now a few people have made theories about how the rikudo sennin was an uzumaki. and this could very likely be the case and ill show you how.

the uchiha are said to have inherited the rikudo's eyes while the senju are said to have inherited his body but whose eyes and body did they actually inherit? the rikudo's? or the juubi's?

Its the Sage's body/eyes that the children inherited

why is it that the juubi's eyes look so simliar to the sharingan/rinnegan, it would be foolish to say it is coincedence.

Which begs the question, did the Sage get the Rinnegan before or after sealing the Juubi, because knowing this will answer your question. If the Sage developed the Rinnegan before he fought the Juubi then the question has to be asked, where and how did this develop from? It would make sense if the Rinnegan developed AFTER he sealed the Juubi in him to be honest.

If we look at it this way, the older son inherited the eyes from his father then over the centuries, the eyes of his descendants developed into what we know now as the Sharingan and Byakugan, which I believe are mutations. What we know so far is that the Sharingan can develop into MS and EMS (transplanting the eyes of another uchiha) but in order for that to develop into a Rinnegan, you need something else which apparently is Senju DNA. So through mutations over the centuries the eyes developed into something else but if it developed before he sealed the Juubi then where did he get it from? How did it develop?

Unless the Rinnegan developed randomly, which according to Quantum Theory states it can happen. Although if we take evolution into account, then it would have had to happen over many many years and not an instant moment.

i think the rikudo was an uzumaki. the uzumaki are skilled in sealing techniques hence the reason he was able to seal the juubi inside him. by sealing the juubi inside him, he then gained the powers of the juubi (eyes and body of the juubi) giving him the rinnegan. and then his two children inherited those powers from him creating the uchiha and senju.

The descendants of the two children created not only the Uchiha and Senju but many other clans, ninjutsu was created by the Sage so it starts with him. I believe clans were created for the same reason why we group together with people from the same country or ethnicity, for comfort.

like why did madara chose to pass his eyes onto uzumaki nagato instead of another uchiha or a senju? to handle the rinnegan you need both the powers of the senju and the uchiha. and if like i said the senju and uchiha inherited their powers from the juubi, then it makes sense that only an uzumaki body could handle it.

Could be the fact that Madara could not get into Konoha, so he had to choose someone else but who would have a similar link to the Senju and who better than the Uzumaki OR Madara must of discovered something about the Uzumaki's which made him choose Nagato.

why is it that the uchiha and the senju can control tailed beasts? i know that not every single one of them could but i think every single one of them had the potential. the only ones who fulfilled that potential was the uchiha who awakened MS and hashirama with his wood.

Uchiha have the MS which makes it easier for them to control tailed beasts but Hashirama could via his wood release. So contributes to this but how exactly, is yet unknown.

why is it that madara and obito are able to bond with the juubi and connect with its mind, it makes sense to say that they have simliar chakra, and that why they were able to do so.

It's a combination of Uchiha and Senju DNA that is in them, this is where the control stems from it seems I think. If you look at the last chapter, Madara states that they'll need to use Hashirama's cells to control it better from that point onwards.

who destroyed the uzumaki clan and why did they do it? who feared the uzumaki clan enough to feel the need to destroy them. now they may not be as strong ninjutsu wise as the uchiha and senju. but if im right and the rikudo was an uzumaki and was able to seal something as strong as the juubi then they do pose a threat. someone saw this threat and chose to get rid of it.

was it madara? it makes sense when you think about his goal, to revive the juubi and use it power. maybe he found the rikudo's origins and since they are able to seal the juubi. he decided to destroy to destroy them.

Yeah see this is another question that needs to be answered but according to Kushina the country was destroyed during war, what war? During one of the Shinobi wars or another one?

It almost seemed like it happened after Kushina was sent to Konoha though, based on what she was telling Naruto any way.

what does this mean?

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naruto's seal is an uzumaki seal. yet kurama recognized it as the rikudo's seal.

Yeah we all noticed this but not sure what it means, I mean it could be that Naruto learned to add something to the seal from Jiraiya but since the sentence was unfinished makes it hard to determine what he was trying to say.

there are so many more questions to ask but the last one for now is if the uzumaki are supposedly branched from the senju clan then why can't the senju clan use sealing techniques like the uzumaki can? hashirama could but his wife was uzumaki mito the same way minato's wife was uzumaki kushina.

It seems that certain techniques were passed down certain clans, so over time clans develop or build on already known techniques but I doubt they will share that with anyone. I doubt that the Uzumaki's techniques were developed at the start and that is it, they were worked on over the years much like the Senju built on their own techniques, whatever they were.

we once wondered why the senju and uchiha were so special, then we found out that they are the rikudo's descendants. that is their origin but whats about the rikudo himself, what are the origins of him and his powers? was the rinnegan his or did he get it from absorbing the juubi?

Yeah this is what I was saying before and we don't know the full story behind the Sage. I believe we will get an answer on this at some point or I am hoping we will.

 

[Namikaze Senju]

i support this thread 90%

 

[Element Master]

I agree the manga just said that the Uzumaki and Senju are related

 

[Honord Sage]

What will fans do if Kishi comes clean and states that the Uzumaki are the Parent Clan of the Senju and Uchiha? Their be fire works in here as was with Obito threads and Naruto and Hinata threads all over again.

 

[Frankenstein]

What will fans do if Kishi comes clean and states that the Uzumaki are the Parent Clan of the Senju and Uchiha? Their be fire works in here as was with Obito threads and Naruto and Hinata threads all over again.

I would be cool with that if Naruto died as a compensation

 

[Honord Sage]

I would be cool with that if Naruto died as a compensation

Compensation for what?

 

[TheWillofFire]

Sage uzumaki yes

What else can sage be?

 

[Kilian]

I have thought this before................ this show seems to be lining up for a BIG who were the Uzumaki's

And I think we are going to be in for a treat as they might really be the direct bloodline of the SO6P.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

i think that's one of the biggest mysteries in Naruto....but ppl also have to realize that tobi told a nice story... is it true? no... not entirely, for we have seen him lie to sasuke, about the attack on the village.

moreover what doesn't make any sense and i know he's Lying about the story of the two sons.... by his account the older one believed you should rule the world with might and strengh....and the younger one ruled the world with peace and love..... now tobi said SO6P left the younger to succeed him if that's the case why would he leave a tablet showing how to control revive the jubbi also how to get the rinni (for only the elder son to see?) that just does not make sense.