The Sannin are extremely underrated

[Owarij]

He can't, but many people forget a good counter to that technique. Replacement technique, yeah I'm not kidding.

1) Jiraya has no knowledge of amaterasu
2) Jiraya doesn't evennearly have fast enough handseal speed to pull off a replacement technique not only before amaterasu hits his face, but without Itachi noticing
3) Did I mention Jiraya has no knowledge of amaterasu?

However that is a different scan and are you sure Kurama can solo Itachi, Kisame, and backup? Lol

A 100% kurama, would slaughter most akatsuki members.. hidan , sasori's wooden puppets, etc
even nagato had problems restraining 50% kurama and said HE underestimated its power, and this is the thing that shrinked major time one half was of its chakra was sealed..

this is assuming kurama hasn't regained his power.... Point is , Itachi and kisame were preparing to go up against BY FAR the strongest bijuu

When jiraya showed up , Itachi and kisame didn't even care, kisame made jiraya watch as sasuke got beaten up..
It was when naruto started pouring out nine tails chakra that true reaction came from them

 

[EliteKakashi]

However that is a different scan and are you sure Kurama can solo Itachi, Kisame, and backup? Lol

It's Viz's official English translation. It's not a fan made translation. That's the page you would see if you went out and bought that volume/chapter.

And of course Kurama can. The only chance they would stand is Itachi's susanoo/totsuka sword, but he wouldn't have been allowed to use that, not in front of Kisame anyway. Wouldn't be part of the "capture and bring back to base" plan. There would be Nagato and Obito as well, I guess, if you want to count them as possible "backup" for Itachi/Kisame.

 

[Kages]

1) Jiraya has no knowledge of amaterasu
2) Jiraya doesn't evennearly have fast enough handseal speed to pull off a replacement technique not only before amaterasu hits his face, but without Itachi noticing
3) Did I mention Jiraya has no knowledge of amaterasu?

1. He can see it coming. It doesnt hit him right away, it travels. That has been proved in a different thread.
2. Ok
3. Did I mention Amaterasu travels?

If this doesn't work, then the Fire Sealing Scroll that Jiraiya used in Part 1 would be summoned while Jiraiya is burned. Don't forget people can still perform techniques after they are burned.

 

[Kages]

It's Viz's official English translation. It's not a fan made translation. That's the page you would see if you went out and bought that volume/chapter.

And of course Kurama can. The only chance they would stand is Itachi's susanoo/totsuka sword, but he wouldn't have been allowed to use that, not in front of Kisame anyway. Wouldn't be part of the "capture and bring back to base" plan. There would be Nagato and Obito as well, I guess, if you want to count them as possible "backup" for Itachi/Kisame.

I'm not so sure Kurama can do that lol. Kisame was about to almost solo Gyuki alone and Hidan beat Two Tails with Kakuzu. I'm pretty sure with Itachi they can defeat Kurama xd

 

[Owarij]

1. He can see it coming. It doesnt hit him right away, it travels. That has been proved in a different thread.

SEE it COMING?

....Good sir, do you know how fast amaterasu is? or understand how it works?

I'm not so sure Kurama can do that lol. Kisame was about to almost solo Gyuki alone and Hidan beat Two Tails with Kakuzu. I'm pretty sure with Itachi they can defeat Kurama

Kurama can easily **** gyuki.. when it comes to tailed beast ranking , kurama >>> the rest of them.. we see this in the war now, as one of kurama's tbbs matched the bijuu's collected..

 

[KidGamer65]

However that is a different scan and are you sure Kurama can solo Itachi, Kisame, and backup? Lol

They use Replacement technique for all of those techniques, why wouldn't that work?

Well, its obvious you don't understand how replacement works. They replace themselves, before the attack hits, Amaterasu is too fast for that, once their bodies are on fire its done. Oro and Tsunade can't react to Enton Arrows, so they can't use replacement on that either. Enton Magatama gets them as well.

They can't react to arrows or Amaterasu so they can't use replacement jutsu before they hit and if they can't use it before it hits then they can't replace themselves.

 

[EliteKakashi]

I'm not so sure Kurama can do that lol. Kisame was about to almost solo Gyuki alone and Hidan beat Two Tails with Kakuzu. I'm pretty sure with Itachi they can defeat Kurama xd

Kurama is on an entirely different level in comparison to the rest of the tailed beasts. Have you not been seeing what he's allowing Naruto to do?

He also had an entire village on the brink of death, pushing Hiruzen to his limit and forcing Minato to use Shiki Fuujin to seal him. Kurama is no joke. His TBB would have wiped out the entire village if not for Minato warping it.

 

[Kages]

SEE it COMING?

....Good sir, do you know how fast amaterasu is? or understand how it works?


Kurama can easily **** gyuki.. when it comes to tailed beast ranking , kurama >>> the rest of them.. we see this in the war now, as one of kurama's tbbs matched the bijuu's collected..

Ok, can you reply to the Fire Scroll one?

Well, its obvious you don't understand how replacement works. They replace themselves, before the attack hits, Amaterasu is too fast for that, once their bodies are on fire its done. Oro and Tsunade can't react to Enton Arrows, so they can't use replacement on that either. Enton Magatama gets them as well.

They can't react to arrows or Amaterasu so they can't use replacement jutsu before they hit and if they can't use it before it hits then they can't replace themselves.

Tsunade can tank Enton Arrow, and he can't use it three times at once, Oro can shed his body of Enton. He cant use it three times at once so Tsunade or Oro tank it while Sasuke is distracted and they attack him.

Kurama is on an entirely different level in comparison to the rest of the tailed beasts. Have you not been seeing what he's allowing Naruto to do?

He also had an entire village on the brink of death, pushing Hiruzen to his limit and forcing Minato to use Shiki Fuujin to seal him. Kurama is no joke. His TBB would have wiped out the entire village if not for Minato warping it.

No matter, I'm pretty sure they can beat it. Naruto has been this strong only because of PNJ

 

[Owarij]

Ok, can you reply to the Fire Scroll one?

Not much to argue.. to seal a flame, jiraya has to
1)pull a scroll from his back
2) get pen and ink
3) write the fire sealing method on a paper
4) slam down on it..

....
If you think Jiraya is going to casually do this while his face and body is set on fire? , or that Itachi would just watch him draw up a fuinjutsu seal and say

"it's alright bro, you go ahead with what you're doing"

 

[KidGamer65]

Tsunade can tank Enton Arrow, and he can't use it three times at once, Oro can shed his body of Enton. He cant use it three times at once so Tsunade or Oro tank it while Sasuke is distracted and they attack him.

She can tank the arrow but Amaterasu will burn her to a crisp, If Oro sheds his body Sasuke lights him up again with an Enton Magatama and if he attempts to shed again, he rinses and repeats.

So no, they aren't attacking him, Enton Magatama allows him to fire at multiple targets at once (as demonstrated with the Zetsu) He can hit all 3 Sannin at the same time, the only one who has a chance of dodging is SM Jiraiya, but he can't dodge a visual Amaterasu so he goes down first. Multiple Enton Magatama spam kills Oro and Tsunade. Amaterasu burns faster than Edos can regenerate and Edo Regen>Tsunade's Regen. Oro can shed his skin but then Sasuke would just light him up again.

The Sannin arent getting close to Sasuke either since he can surround the ground near him using Enton. So if they come close, they get burned.

Not to mention they can't even harm his EMS Final Susanoo with any of their attacks. Tsunade relies on physical attacks so if she punches it, Enton covers it and lights her up just like it did to the Raikage. Oro has no moves capable of even scratching Final Susanoo neither does Tsunade.

 

[Rike Senju]

They are actually overrated..someone actually thought tsunade could take on pain that was some pretty funny stuff. Tobi solos them so does kabuto Naruto and nagato has a big shot too. If we count edos madara stomps them easily.

 

[Kages]

Not much to argue.. to seal a flame, jiraya has to
1)pull a scroll from his back
2) get pen and ink
3) write the fire sealing method on a paper
4) slam down on it..

....
If you think Jiraya is going to casually do this while his face and body is set on fire? , or that Itachi would just watch him draw up a fuinjutsu seal and say

"it's alright bro, you go ahead with what you're doing"

It doesn't take much time and Jiraiya would probably have his summons out to keep Itachi company.

She can tank the arrow but Amaterasu will burn her to a crisp, If Oro sheds his body Sasuke lights him up again with an Enton Magatama and if he attempts to shed again, he rinses and repeats.

So no, they aren't attacking him, Enton Magatama allows him to fire at multiple targets at once (as demonstrated with the Zetsu) He can hit all 3 Sannin at the same time, the only one who has a chance of dodging is SM Jiraiya, but he can't dodge a visual Amaterasu so he goes down first. Multiple Enton Magatama spam kills Oro and Tsunade. Amaterasu burns faster than Edos can regenerate and Edo Regen>Tsunade's Regen. Oro can shed his skin but then Sasuke would just light him up again.

The Sannin arent getting close to Sasuke either since he can surround the ground near him using Enton. So if they come close, they get burned.

Not to mention they can't even harm his EMS Final Susanoo with any of their attacks. Tsunade relies on physical attacks so if she punches it, Enton covers it and lights her up just like it did to the Raikage. Oro has no moves capable of even scratching Final Susanoo neither does Tsunade.

Although I disagree this was very well explained

 

[KidGamer65]

It doesn't take much time and Jiraiya would probably have his summons out to keep Itachi company.



Although I disagree this was very well explained

Thanks, but what could they possibly do to Sasuke while he is using Susanoo? They can't even evade his attacks.

 

[HNIC]

She can tank the arrow but Amaterasu will burn her to a crisp, If Oro sheds his body Sasuke lights him up again with an Enton Magatama and if he attempts to shed again, he rinses and repeats.

So no, they aren't attacking him, Enton Magatama allows him to fire at multiple targets at once (as demonstrated with the Zetsu) He can hit all 3 Sannin at the same time, the only one who has a chance of dodging is SM Jiraiya, but he can't dodge a visual Amaterasu so he goes down first. Multiple Enton Magatama spam kills Oro and Tsunade. Amaterasu burns faster than Edos can regenerate and Edo Regen>Tsunade's Regen. Oro can shed his skin but then Sasuke would just light him up again.

The Sannin arent getting close to Sasuke either since he can surround the ground near him using Enton. So if they come close, they get burned.

Not to mention they can't even harm his EMS Final Susanoo with any of their attacks. Tsunade relies on physical attacks so if she punches it, Enton covers it and lights her up just like it did to the Raikage. Oro has no moves capable of even scratching Final Susanoo neither does Tsunade.

you sound stupid, as if Orochimaru would stand there and just allow arrows to continuously be shot at him. After the first or even second (I'm being nice) Orochimaru couldn't easily resort to using 1) a snake as a shield 2) gate summons 3) and most accurately attack prevention jutus (this requires no hand signals fool). In using attack prevention techniques he not only has the ability to avoid Sasuke's offensive attacks, but attack as well from long/unpredictable ranges.

smh I hate when users run out the mouth and not know anything or at least cover all the possibly counters the shinobi possess.

 

[Bogard]

I agree because people believe Itachi is stronger than Jiraya for example when the manga says the contrary. They downgrade his performance against Pain as well

 

[KidGamer65]

you sound stupid, as if Orochimaru would stand there and just allow arrows to continuously be shot at him. After the first or even second (I'm being nice) Orochimaru couldn't easily resort to using 1) a snake as a shield 2) gate summons 3) and most accurately attack prevention jutus (this requires no hand signals fool). In using attack prevention techniques he not only has the ability to avoid Sasuke's offensive attacks, but attack as well from long/unpredictable ranges.

smh I hate when users run out the mouth and not know anything or at least cover all the possibly counters the shinobi possess.

Orochimaru can't react to Susanoo arrow so 1 and 2 aren't working. He has to sink all the way into the ground before the arrow hits him, and thats something he can't do as Kakashi who has Sharingan precog couldn't react to the arrow w/o Kamui, Orochimaru has no chance of evading it. Please tell me, what attacks is he going to use on Sasuke? Huh? Nothing he has is putting a scratch on Susanoo.

Do you know what I hate? I hate when members talk **** about someone else's argument, when the argument they have is nothing more than a half assed, worthless excuse of an argument.

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Anko was able to attack him once part of his body surfaced, if he wants to harm Sasuke, then he needs to surface, if surfaces, Sasuke hits him with an arrow or with Amaterasu.

 

[HNIC]

Orochimaru can't react to Susanoo arrow so 1 and 2 aren't working. He has to sink all the way into the ground before the arrow hits him, and thats something he can't do as Kakashi who has Sharingan precog couldn't react to the arrow w/o Kamui, Orochimaru has no chance of evading it. Please tell me, what attacks is he going to use on Sasuke? Huh? Nothing he has is putting a scratch on Susanoo.

Do you know what I hate? I hate when members talk **** about someone else's argument, when the argument they have is nothing more than a half assed, worthless excuse of an argument.

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Anko was able to attack him once part of his body surfaced, if he wants to harm Sasuke, then he needs to surface, if surfaces, Sasuke hits him with an arrow or with Amaterasu.

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You do know that when Orochimaru uses oral rebirth technique 90% of the time his body is already lying on the floor, which is that instance ALL he has to do is merge with its surrounding.
*sidenote* are you forgetting the Orochimaru is a snake himself, Sasuke already mentioned that in order to fight him he studied snakes and how they have the ability to sense:

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Just forgured I throw that out there, as it cant be discredited from Orochimaru himself. Having great sensing=prediction and enough to reflect as Kabuto's snakes were able to avoid his arrow(not saying this for SURE relates to him, I'll research that)

You mentioned how Anko attacked as he merged, he merged in obvious position smart guy lol. This was already a clone, so he could have a clone emerge for an opening or further away.

Also, assuming this is Orochimaru with Edo. he doesn't need to emerge fully to use triple gate summoning, just quickly his head and hands (anywhere) With doing this he eliminates Sasuke's arrows as going a threat for the moment. But this also allows him to use Edo hide the gates as well.

Please stop trying to make your argument valid, it's far from that. As Orochimaru has his ways around Sasuke's jutsu and he havent even seen all his jutsu.

 

[KidGamer65]

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You do know that when Orochimaru uses oral rebirth technique 90% of the time his body is already lying on the floor, which is that instance ALL he has to do is merge with its surrounding.
*sidenote* are you forgetting the Orochimaru is a snake himself, Sasuke already mentioned that in order to fight him he studied snakes and how they have the ability to sense:

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Just forgured I throw that out there, as it cant be discredited from Orochimaru himself.

When he is in his Human Form, he isn't a snake, also snakes sense things through temperature, that doesn't give him the reaction speed to dodge Amaterasu or the arrows. Kabuto dodged using Sage Mode's upgraded perception due to the force of nature. As Orochimaru can summon snakes, thats why Sasuke did that research. He only becomes a snake when he enters his White Snake form and that is far from a good idea in this fight.

He's never even making it to the ground anyway, when he uses Oral Rebirth, he emerges from his mouth, hence the term "oral". So what if his body is on the ground already? If he comes from his mouth, he is an easy target for another arrow or Amaterasu, which he can't react to. Susanoo arrow speed>>>>The time it takes for him to emerge from his mouth and then get on the ground, and then sink into the ground. Unless you can prove that Oro has significantly better reactions than Kakashi with Sharingan Precog.

You how Anko attacked as he merged, he merged in obvious position smart guy lol. This was already a clone, so he could have a clone emerge for an opening or further away.

Also, assuming this is Orochimaru with Edo. he doesn't need to emerge fully to use triple gate summoning, just quickly his head and hands (anywhere) With doing this he eliminates Sasuke's arrows as going a threat for the moment. But this also allows him to use Edo hide the gates as well.

Please stop trying to make your argument valid, it's far from that. As Orochimaru has his ways around Sasuke's jutsu and he havent even seen all his jutsu.

Actually smart guy that page was to show how Sasuke could get him if he comes up to attack, Oro was already merged when he appeared before Anko.

If Orochimaru comes up to try and summon Rashomon another arrow comes and blasts him and then lights him on fire. You act like Sasuke is going to be sitting there watching him do all this.

Your argument fell apart when you assumed Oro would be able to make it into the ground even though he obviously won't.

You also never answered my question, what attacks does Orochimaru have that even let him scratch Susanoo, all you have done is try and explain how he would get away.

 

[Raikiri10]

I truly do believe all the sannin are underrated in a major way Jiraiya especially deserves the most praise he managed to kill pain a few times plus actually capture one of the bodies I mean come on a tailed beast like Utakata didn't even stand a chance Jiraiya could fight any of the current kage and stand on equal footing with them he was a beast.

If Jiraiya was alive he would have been the division general instead of Kakashi now that would have been a power house division the 7 swordsman would have been steam rolled being invisable/ hidden means nothing before senjutsu.

 

[HNIC]

When he is in his Human Form, he isn't a snake, also snakes sense things through temperature, that doesn't give him the reaction speed to dodge Amaterasu or the arrows. Kabuto dodged using Sage Mode's upgraded perception due to the force of nature. As Orochimaru can summon snakes, thats why Sasuke did that research. He only becomes a snake when he enters his White Snake form and that is far from a good idea in this fight.

He's never even making it to the ground anyway, when he uses Oral Rebirth, he emerges from his mouth, hence the term "oral". So what if his body is on the ground already? If he comes from his mouth, he is an easy target for another arrow or Amaterasu, which he can't react to. Susanoo arrow speed>>>>The time it takes for him to emerge from his mouth and then get on the ground, and then sink into the ground. Unless you can prove that Oro has significantly better reactions than Kakashi with Sharingan Precog.



Actually smart guy that page was to show how Sasuke could get him if he comes up to attack, Oro was already merged when he appeared before Anko.

If Orochimaru comes up to try and summon Rashomon another arrow comes and blasts him and then lights him on fire. You act like Sasuke is going to be sitting there watching him do all this.

Your argument fell apart when you assumed Oro would be able to make it into the ground even though he obviously won't.

You also never answered my question, what attacks does Orochimaru have that even let him scratch Susanoo, all you have done is try and explain how he would get away.

Are you playing dumb right now?!?!

I said I was referring to snakes senses just because and I'll do my research as if it relates. Therefore, for now I was just posting it as it isn't definite.

His body laying flat on the ground means his entire merges at once, not by sections.

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I'm clearly saying to he was to re-emerge from a distance, as Sasuke wont be aware exactly where he IS (Sasuke isn't a senor) Orochimaru can half-way re-emerge from the ground to summon triple gates. This isnt anything that would be impossible, i don't know why you dont get this.

As he summons gates from the start in this new location, Sasuke will than obviously know his new location and in the process, Orochimaru can summon Edo behind the gates.

-after rebirth Orochimaru's body is flat on the ground and he merges
-No, Sasuke wouldn't just be sitting there watching, he would be trying to see where exactly Orochimaru will pop up from.
-Orochimaru doesn't fully reveal himself, but instead enough just to quickly summon gates (blood and hands slamming the ground)
- where he is allowed to prep his offense without having to worry about arrow. Edo could be summoned and used as offensive power.