Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

[FizzyDrink]

I wrote a thread a whole back dictating why exactly Muu would defeat Itachi. The logic from that thread can also be carried over to explain how Muu defeats Sasuke as well. I personally have him at 8th on my list, behind Kabuto, Obito, Madara, Hashirama, Naruto, Nagato, and Minato (yes, I believe Minato can defeat Muu).

 

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

He is above Minato but Sasuke and Itachi, THAT I doubt.

 

[natssuu]

Indeed, only Sasuke, Itachi, Madara and Obito are above him.

 

[Minator93]

I wrote a thread a whole back dictating why exactly Muu would defeat Itachi. The logic from that thread can also be carried over to explain how Muu defeats Sasuke as well. I personally have him at 8th on my list, behind Kabuto, Obito, Madara, Hashirama, Naruto, Nagato, and Minato (yes, I believe Minato can defeat Muu).

I know that List and I approve of it

He is above Minato but Sasuke and Itachi, THAT I doubt.

LOL He is above Itachi and Sasuke, about Minato...THAT I doubt.

Indeed, only Sasuke, Itachi, Madara and Obito are above him.

He is beneath Madara and Obito but far above Itachi and Sasuke.

 

[GiantShuriken]

lol don't be an idiot. Sasuke and Itachi are above him.

 

[Blaze Release]

Lol fair enough but i disagree.

Mu's hype took a massive bashing when we found out that madara didn't need susano by that i mean any version of susano to defeat him and onoki. We can make an excuse for onoki because he was rather young, however mu has no excuse.

Thing about mu is that on paper he seems almost invincible however he clearly isn't. When faced when opponents equal or stronger to him he has either drawn (nindaime mizukage) or lost.

What ill finally say is that his invisibility technique is overrated simply because we haven't seen enough of it. If you havent realised techniques used by characters who play a greater part in the series the weaknesses of their techniques are demonstrated because they play more and more parts in the show. With mu we do not know enough of his invisibility technique however he clearly isn't as invisibly as it seems when madara and the second mizukage can match him but later gaara got him. If he was to play more of a part in the series the manga will show more and more of his weaknesses just like other techniques like hiraishin or Kajukai Korin.

The more a character shows their techniques the more we get to see more of their techniques and the manga reveals more on it. People just like to take advantage of the fact that some characters have limited screen time therefore they have this perception that their techniques are absolute.

He is good however not good enough and even with limited info there are many techniques that will get the better of his invisibility. Itachi and ems sasuke look down on him

 

[Bogard]

Mu's hype took a massive bashing when we found out that madara didn't need susano by that i mean any version of susano to defeat him and onoki. We can make an excuse for onoki because he was rather young, however mu has no excuse.

Where is it said that? The only thing we're sure he didn't use is Perfect Susanoo. It was in the contrary heavily implied that he DID use Susanoo

OT: Nice thread as usual. True that Muu would definitely cause a lot problems to Uchihas in general. That's why i personally put him above all Uchihas except Madara for obvious reasons

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Lol fair enough but i disagree.

Mu's hype took a massive bashing when we found out that madara didn't need susano by that i mean any version of susano to defeat him and onoki. We can make an excuse for onoki because he was rather young, however mu has no excuse.

Thing about mu is that on paper he seems almost invincible however he clearly isn't. When faced when opponents equal or stronger to him he has either drawn (nindaime mizukage) or lost.

What ill finally say is that his invisibility technique is overrated simply because we haven't seen enough of it. If you havent realised techniques used by characters who play a greater part in the series the weaknesses of their techniques are demonstrated because they play more and more parts in the show. With mu we do not know enough of his invisibility technique however he clearly isn't as invisibly as it seems when madara and the second mizukage can match him but later gaara got him. If he was to play more of a part in the series the manga will show more and more of his weaknesses just like other techniques like hiraishin or Kajukai Korin.

The more a character shows their techniques the more we get to see more of their techniques and the manga reveals more on it. People just like to take advantage of the fact that some characters have limited screen time therefore they have this perception that their techniques are absolute.

He is good however not good enough and even with limited info there are many techniques that will get the better of his invisibility. Itachi and ems sasuke look down on him

That's nice and all but why are you comparing Madara to the likes of Itachi? Unless you're actually implying that Itachi falls under the same category as Madara. Furthermore, we fully don't have any information of how that fight went.

Muu would definitely trouble Itachi or Sasuke to a huge extent.

 

[lol99]

madara's already said "what adult fights seriously against children"
i think the meaning was literal, muu and oonoki were young, they probably didnt even have jinton

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[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Except Madara, Sasuke, Itachi, Izuna, Obito and Shisui. He would fodderize the others for sure.

 

[captainEO]

You're kidding right?

He's neither a match for Itachi nor Sasuke.

Itachi's genjutsu annihilates Muu (as soon as he so much as glances at Itachi, it's finished). Sasuke's Amaterasu incinerates him (Amaterasu materializes in an almost imperceptible space of time, it's impossible for him to escape it).

 

[natssuu]

madara's already said "what adult fights seriously against children"
i think the meaning was literal, muu and oonoki were young, they probably didnt even have jinton

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Onoki was young, but Muu was in his prime because he died a little after Madara stomped him.

 

[Blaze Release]

Where is it said that? The only thing we're sure he didn't use is Perfect Susanoo. It was in the contrary heavily implied that he DID use Susanoo

OT: Nice thread as usual. True that Muu would definitely cause a lot problems to Uchihas in general. That's why i personally put him above all Uchihas except Madara for obvious reasons

Here onoki asks susano with a question mark and later acknolwedges that he has the ms [

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However his surprise to see susano even its first states that he didn't know madara had susano.

That's nice and all but why are you comparing Madara to the likes of Itachi? Unless you're actually implying that Itachi falls under the same category as Madara. Furthermore, we fully don't have any information of how that fight went.

Muu would definitely trouble Itachi or Sasuke to a huge extent.

What im saying is that a lot of ninja's would lose to madara no question however these ninja's would at least make him use susano even if its not the final stage its early stages.

As i said when a character gets little screen time and they show they trade mark techniques people get the perception that its absolute, however if they get more screen time the manga will show more of its weaknesses.

Examples if itachi or obito died shortly after they revealed amaterasu/tsukuyomi or kamui we would think these techniques were absolute, however as they got more screen time and the manga showed more of their techniques we can clearly see that, they are powerful techniques however not absolute.

People have the perception that because a technique hasn't been shown much of a weakness its invincible. That just means the user have limited screen time. Obviously everybody has their perception and ranking however its rather clear that though he would give either bro's a fight he is an inferior opponent to either.

Btw mu wasn't young, he was in the same generation as tobirama and that generation and the hashirama/madara generation isn't a big gap at all. The kakuzu, knew well enough of the kin/jin bro's who knew well enough of tobirmara's edo tensei technique. Now kakuzu as we know fought hashirama. Wouldnt be surprised if he knew mu

 

[Owarij]

Itachi would at least make Madara resort to ms abiltiies.. Madara beat muu without it... which means, katon, taijutsu and genjutsu..
That my friends is ridiculous


I believe muu's ability are being overated...the mizukage was also somehow able to counter him in a way.. though they both died...
Btw , ninjas have things like sense of smell etc.. he may be invisible , But I can't recall him erasing all of that
all I have to say ~

 

[lol99]

Onoki was young, but Muu was in his prime because he died a little after Madara stomped him.

we dont know when he died, at least i cant remember whether any hints were given when the fight happened
also the scene in the flashback didnt look like a place where jinton was used, they both probably just fought madara with fodder earth techniques

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

What im saying is that a lot of ninja's would lose to madara no question however these ninja's would at least make him use susano even if its not the final stage its early stages.

As i said when a character gets little screen time and they show they trade mark techniques people get the perception that its absolute, however if they get more screen time the manga will show more of its weaknesses.

Examples if itachi or obito died shortly after they revealed amaterasu/tsukuyomi or kamui we would think these techniques were absolute, however as they got more screen time and the manga showed more of their techniques we can clearly see that, they arent powerful techniques however not absolute.

People have the perception that because a technique hasn't been shown much of a weakness its invisibly. That just means the user have limited screen time. Obviously everybody has their perception and ranking however its rather clear that though he would give either bro's a fight he is an inferior opponent to either

I agree with that but unfortunately we just have to go along with what we have and come up weaknesses on our own. Although he's not inferior to a huge extent as you make it out to be. Muu would be trouble some for the brothers as his invisibility is a great threat, his degree of mastery with Meisaigakure no Jutsu is far above

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Having said that, Muu is vulnerable of being attacked while he prepares it, especially after being invisible and can be exploited effectively. There is no denying that the brothers would win majority of the times though.

 

[Blaze Release]

I agree with that but unfortunately we just have to go along with what we have and come up weaknesses on our own. Although he's not inferior to a huge extent as you make it out to be. Muu would be trouble some for the brothers as his invisibility is a great threat, his degree of mastery with Meisaigakure no Jutsu is far above

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Having said that, Muu is vulnerable of being attacked while he prepares it, especially after being invisible and can be exploited effectively. There is no denying that the brothers would win majority of the times though.

Did say he would give them a fight, however i stand by what i said that he is an inferior combatant both in skill and power.
Now its very likely that he uses that technique but in his case because he is a sensor he can erase his chakra therefore though the sharingan gives colour to chakra, in his case they wouldnt see it. However whether the colour the sharingan gives could be vivid enough even for a small margin to see something is known. But even with limited info i can assure you that tracking techniques that aren't based on chakra but rather movement and environmental factors would get the better of it

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Did say he would give them a fight, however i stand by what i said that he is an inferior combatant both in skill and power.
Now its very likely that he uses that technique but in his case because he is a sensor he can erase his chakra therefore though the sharingan gives colour to chakra, in his case they wouldnt see it. However whether the colour the sharingan gives could be vivid enough even for a small margin to see something is known. But even with limited info i can assure you that tracking techniques that aren't based on chakra but rather movement and environmental factors would get the better of it

Fair enough. But yes environmental factors would have to be exploited. Though even a surprise attack wouldn't get the better of the brothers as their reaction are quite skilled and fast.

 

[OnPoint]

On any given Sunday, Jinton could take a heavy shit on either Itachi or Sasuke's Susano'o, that I agree with. However, considering he doesn't seem able to attack whilst remaining invisible, it's more likely that he'd fall to Amaterasu or the like whilst Jinton is charging up.

 

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