Itachi misconceptions !!

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!!Itachi's Misconceptions!!

I wanted to make this thread because i believe that there are still a considerable amount of people who don't grasp the limits to Itachi's Techniques...

I firstly want to start with the biggest misconception which is the "Finger Genjutsu" know was "Ephemeral"

I've heard on many occasions that this is a "One Hit KO", which is nonsense. People also think that it's this instantaneous jutsu, this is merely a genjutsu that can be broken with the right knowledge and experience in breaking Genjutsu.

I first want to start by showing you that this isn't juts a case of pointing a finger..

This is a picture of him starting the "Preparations" for the jutsu...Yes, your correct! It isn't just a case of pointing his finger.

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You can see that he performs many signs over a period of time... As it took many chapter pages before he casted the Jutsu... This indicates it takes time to prepare and that it would be extremely hard to perform this in the heat of battle.

This jutsu is a merely a genjutsu that can be broken out off with the experience and knowledge... The jutsu also doesn't stop you from physically moving, as it was stated that naruto run around firing of his rasengan, which was they realized naruto was caught in the Genjutsu..

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Naruto is this picture was trying to break out of the genjutsu which proves that it can be done, unfortunately he wasn't strong enough.

Tsukuyomi​

This is Jutsu that i don't think people fully grasp, now i'm not saying this isn't a incredibly strong jutsu however... I'm merely pointing out the effectiveness and it's limitations that people seem to look over, when talking about this jutsu...

Tsukuyomi is known as a jutsu that no one can escape and is essentially a "One hit KO", which isn't necessarily incorrect however... People forget that this jutsu isn't something that can be used in the middle of battle. Why?

Tsukuyomi is a powerful Genjutsu that Requires the caster to have "perfect eye contact" which the victim, not only this they must be withing a 0-10 meter ratios... Now, i understand that may not be entirely correct, however it's not far off, considering that we have only see him use it withing that distance. Now!... Not only does it require perfect eye and to be withing a close range, it also leaves him open for an attack as he must close his eye, before casting the jutsu. this can also be used to dodge the attack.

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These requirements are things people seem to often overlook and discard when talking about them, due to them not fully understand the conditions he must be in while casting this jutsu... It's not a jutsu that can be used in the heat of battle as it's almost impossible to get perfect eye contact and having to close your eye's....

People overlook this the fact that if he uses Amaterasu Or Susanoo before hand... Due to the stress each techniques causes, it almost makes it impossible for him to use Tsukuyomi after he has already performed those techniques... To this day.. He had been incredibly close and hasn't used any other jutsu before performing Tsukuyomi. Other words, it's not a techniques that he can merely do any time he pleases.

Amaterasu

This is another thing that people seem to overlook again..... Now, i believe that allot more people have a better grasp of how it works, although i will talk about it anyway.. heheh!

This is a techniques that for a while people though was invincible, due to it's incredible speed. This is true although is it really all that good against an opponent that has the ability to move at a fast pace? I don't think soo....

This is an ability that can move incredibly fast or almost instantaneously, however... It's a flame that can be blocked as it has a certain track line that it follow depending on the users vision... I can't simply just stray, if you miss you must release a completely different flame.

Due to this technique having a certain direction that it follows... There are a numerous ways to dodge it...

You have the option to dodge the attack with speed...
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You also have the option to block it's path before it gets to you, in this case sand
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This is a technique that dramatically damages the eye not to mention, it's an attack that you can see coming as it's been said that the air pressure chances, this can be identified when he closed his eye and blood starts to drip down his face... This is a technique that is more damaging to itachi anyone else.

Yata Mirror​

This is yet another thing that people don't completely understand, because according to most people itachi is completely safe and can't be touched which is ..... Incorrect . Why?

It's true that there may not be many ninja that have the potential to break the "Yata mirror", however, does that mean that he's safe? No... You see people seem to forget that Yata mirror is only 180 degree, meaning itachi is opening from the back, meaning that isn't invincible at all....

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This picture clearly demonstrates that is open from behind.....


I'm not saying that itachi is weak.. I'm just saying that people usually don't take these conditions in to consideration when talking about him. They simply don't acknowledge the draw backs.....
 

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I'm yet to see a final susnoo completely broken. Yata mirror's purpose is to refly ANY attack
 

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I'm yet to see a final susnoo completely broken. Yata mirror's purpose is to refly ANY attack

That wasn't the point in this thread.. The point was to show people the draw back to his attacks.
 

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Very disingenuous with al your examples.
 

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One of those manga pages you showed where edited...
 

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Very disingenuous with al your examples.

I made it rather quickly and never wanted to spend allot of time in it...However, they still stand. People don't grasp the draw backs of his techniques and just don't understand that most of those techniques are ineffective in battle.
 

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Watching a show, but

many signs over a period of time...
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For 1 , Itachi has the fastest handseal speed in the manga, so fast that in part 1 his seals weren't visible to the readers..It wasn't "many" handseals, it was like two or three.. itachi can execute that in no time without even being visible to the person... Sasuke, kurenai, kakashi can't keep up with his hand movements and jutsu execution


2ndly You don't have the option of blocking it with a jutsu considering Sasuke used ENTON, on gaara.. enton is taking already existing flames and throwing it or shooting it at something.. it is not the same speed as amaterasu

thirdly, tsukyomi doesn't require you to close your eye.. idk what you're talking about there.. he closed his eye to activate amaterasu.. something that's not necesary .. it was used for dramatic effect... Itachi used tsukyomi on sasuke as well as kabuto without doing such a thing eg of what I mean
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fourth would take a bit of time
but i'll prove to you that a few things about yata mirror
1 ) It changes form and size depending on the attack
as well as a few others

 
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with itachi's yata mirror yes it has a frontal 180 degree protection but from the back he still has susanoo as armor...

Tsukiyomi is used in his battles at the start. (he used it when he has the best chance to)

amaterasu has been used and hit against sasuke...
 

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Watching a show, but

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For 1 , Itachi has the fastest handseal speed in the manga, so fast that in part 1 his seals weren't visible to the readers..It wasn't "many" handseals, it was like two or three.. itachi can execute that in no time without even being visible to the person... Sasuke, kurenai, kakashi can't keep up with his hand movements and jutsu execution


2ndly You don't have the option of blocking it with a jutsu considering Sasuke used ENTON, on gaara.. enton is taking already existing flames and throwing it or shooting it at something.. it is not the same speed as amaterasu

thirdly, tsukyomi doesn't require you to close your eye.. idk what you're talking about there.. he closed his eye to activate amaterasu.. something that's not necesary .. it was used for dramatic effect... Itachi used tsukyomi on sasuke as well as kabuto without doing such a thing

fourth would take a bit of time
but i'll prove to you that a few things about yata mirror
1 ) It changes form and size depending on the attack
as well as a few others


This isn't a thread that i made to talk about his strength merely the draw backs to his attacks that people overlook.... The manage page clearly indicates that he closed his eye... We hadn't seen amaterasu at that stage, yet his eye's are closed right before he performed tsukuyomi.

He made many hand signs are they weren't all at ones... He has many conversations during the time he was "preparing" They wen't done at the one time.

I don't believe that i said it can be dodged by a jutsu... I believe i said that you have the option to block it's path. He was able to touch the flame the when fighting sasuke, meaning it can't pass through things. Other wise it would have went directly at sasuke.
 

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Good thread, but I'm calling it right now.
People who used to overrate his techs will come in and say 'great thread, good points, like and plus rep'. Then turn right around and go right back to overrating them.

I personally don't bother getting into character debates, but I just notice this happens a lot.
 

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with itachi's yata mirror yes it has a frontal 180 degree protection but from the back he still has susanoo as armor...

Tsukiyomi is used in his battles at the start. (he used it when he has the best chance to)

amaterasu has been used and hit against sasuke...

I know that it hit sasuke, although it can still be dodges, meaning that it's not as effective as to state "Amaterasu GG" Which is what most people do... I under stand that he has susanoo to protect him. although like i've already stated this threads is about the draw back on some of his attacks.

yata mirror being able to only protect him 180 degree. i brought that up because some people believe that because he has it that he's indestructible.
 

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That wasn't the point in this thread.. The point was to show people the draw back to his attacks.

there is literally every draw backs to every attack remember?
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He only charged his chakra to use the move, but then remember this. That is not the real itachi
 

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He made many hand signs are they weren't all at ones... He has many conversations during the time he was "preparing" They wen't done at the one time.

As you can see he was doing the hand seals slowly on purpose.. and it was just a few seals... not "many" like you described in the op....You talk about drawback? it isn't a drawback considering itachi makes up for this draw back by having a handseal speed that not even sharingan an keep up with...he just makes clones, they just appear, you dont even see him moving his hands..


Enton Is not Amaterasu..that's all you need to know...This is a Itachi misconception thread is it not? Itachi can't utilize enton, why would you even put it in? enton is slower than amaterasu in any case.. amaterasu is faster than susanno arrow, and even danzo/kakashi couldn't make handseals in the time for that
 

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As you can see he was doing the hand seals slowly on purpose.. and it was just a few seals... not "many" like you described in the op....You talk about drawback? it isn't a drawback considering itachi makes up for this draw back by having a handseal speed that not even sharingan an keep up with...he just makes clones, they just appear, you dont even see him moving his hands..


Enton Is not Amaterasu..that's all you need to know...This is a Itachi misconception thread is it not? Itachi can't utilize enton, why would you even put it in? enton is slower than amaterasu in any case.. amaterasu is faster than susanno arrow, and even danzo/kakashi couldn't make handseals in the time for that

Lol doing them slowly why would he do that? When he could do them do fast that they couldn't see? He needed time to prepare it, saying he did them slowly on purpose making no sense...

That picture you showed me only shows him turning him back then his eye open... he would have plenty of time to close his eye's.... He even closes his eye's in this video.

[video=youtube;BVrvMTXqTzc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVrvMTXqTzc[/video]

The point is... Amaterasu can't move through things. Hence why it couldn't move through the flames that sasuke was making and it couldn't get through Gaara's sand either... If you block it's root then you have the ability to stop Amaterasu from hitting you.

Anyway, i don't have time to debate unfortunately
 
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there is literally every draw backs to every attack remember?
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He only charged his chakra to use the move, but then remember this. That is not the real itachi

Yeah i understand that...However, everyone who always talks about itachi annoys me because they have no regard for anything and don't understand his techniques and just say....

"Tsukuyomi gg" "Finger jutsu gg" .... that's why i did this.. It's not about him in general, just those techniques aren't what people believed them to be
 

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Yeah i understand that...However, everyone who always talks about itachi annoys me because they have no regard for anything and don't understand his techniques and just say....

"Tsukuyomi gg" "Finger jutsu gg" .... that's why i did this.. It's not about him in general, just those techniques aren't what people believed them to be

Yes, i agree that is bullshit. The only person i've seen that killed someone by genjustu is obito. Still if you show people the sasuke vs itachi fight. Zetsu explains why tsukyomi lost. how ever the only thing i don't agree with you is the weakness of susanoo
 

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The only person i've seen that killed someone by genjustu is obito.
Kisame disagrees, kisame has obviously seen someone/people die of tsuskyomi
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Even kakashi asks why he didnt do it..

Databook one and two puts "Merciful" Under Itachi's characteristics

put one and two together
 

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Plus rep. Unfortunately this will do nothing. The fans will never see this. He's the one shot master.
 

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If Itachi was such a lame ninja why was he brought back by kabuto and listed in the bongo book and entrusted with shusuis eye? And how do you know what other people do and dont understand, just because someone has a different opinion than you that makes them ignorant to itachis abilities? Yeahhhh that makes a whole lota sense.
 
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