Best Hokages at different skills

[MickNerks]

Did you seriously not read and just look at the flashy pictures?
That hurts.

Kages stated that hiruzen was greater in taijutsu because he solo'd hashirama and tobirama with taijutsu alone.

You responed by saying "Here's how Hiruzen did in taijutsu against Edo Hashirama who was a "tool" of Orochimaru being used to toy with Hiruzen:"

And showed hashirama punching hiruzen in the face (even thought that was the only hit hashrama achieved, while hiruzen blew his leg off). You comparing that fight is foolish because hiruzen was not at his best. This thread was to see who the best kage was in specific catergories in their prime. Hiruzen had mastered taijutsu in his prime, and there is no eveidence that even stated that hashriama was fairly good at taijutsu.

So you cant ever try to suggest that hashriama is better because all evidence from manga says hiruzen is better in taijutsu.

 

[Omnipotent]

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After Hashirama stabs hiruzen and hiruzen falls to the ground orochimaru says " Whats wrong" (Taunting him from his recent injury).

Then oro says "do you intend to let the hokages toy with you bit by bit", After hiruzen and clones took multiple stabs from kages while in bringer of darkness.

Oro was refering to them toying with hiruzen whilst being in the genjutsu. Nothing from the fight before genjustu activation shows or implys that they were toying with him.

I respect your interpretation on what was being referred to.

However, once again, why else would Edo Hashirama and Edo Tobirama stand still while Orochimaru and Hiruzen had that little one-on-one segment of the fight? Because they were not needed.
Why else would Orochimaru stand back, and Hashirama + Tobirama not engage in taijutsu against Hiruzen at the same time? Because it was not needed.
He was being toyed with, was being quickly overwhelmed, and he knew it. His only viable option left was RDS.

Anyways, if you think Hashirama and Tobirama were being completely 100% serious in that fight (albeit being controlled, and the manga saying otherwise), you'd be supporting that Hashirama and Tobirama are inferior to Orochimaru (who was soon in need of a new body, and thus was weakening) in terms of taijutsu; he did better against Hashirama/Tobirama than he did against Orochimaru in terms of taijutsu. I remember Orochimaru only having a 3.5 in taijutsu and a 3.5 in strength.

By supporting that, you'd be saying this:
Did you honestly just say Orochimaru, who was soon in need of a new body, and thus was weakening, is more proficient in taijutsu than Hashirama and Tobirama? When just after receiving a susanoo-smashing kick from Tsunade, Edo Madara says that Tsunade's not that weak (just pages after calling Hashirama the ultimate shinobi), says that the Five Kage's combined efforts are nothing compared to Hashirama?:

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It doesn't add up. To make what you're saying true, which is that Hiruzen wasn't being toyed with (although the manga clearly says that he was being toyed with), you'd have to say Orochimaru (who was weakening due to being soon in need of a new body) is superior to Hashirama and Tobirama in terms of taijutsu. Which would mean you're going against the manga, because according to Edo Madara's statements Hashirama was not a simple 3.5 in taijutsu or strength.

If you have to go against the manga to prove yourself right, you know you're wrong.

Kages stated that hiruzen was greater in taijutsu because he solo'd hashirama and tobirama with taijutsu alone.

You responed by saying "Here's how Hiruzen did in taijutsu against Edo Hashirama who was a "tool" of Orochimaru being used to toy with Hiruzen:"

And showed hashirama punching hiruzen in the face (even thought that was the only hit hashrama achieved, while hiruzen blew his leg off). You comparing that fight is foolish because hiruzen was not at his best. This thread was to see who the best kage was in specific catergories in their prime. Hiruzen had mastered taijutsu in his prime, and there is no eveidence that even stated that hashriama was fairly good at taijutsu.

So you cant ever try to suggest that hashriama is better because all evidence from manga says hiruzen is better in taijutsu.

What's up with you and reading?
Did you read the manga?
Did you read what I said?
Because from your responses I can tell that you're not...
It hurts.

Since when were explosive tags taijutsu? :sy:
I do believe that was more than one hit. Did you even pay attention to the animation? Come on.

You're using Edo Hashirama, who was a mindless tool being controlled by Orochimaru used to toy with Hiruzen. Orochimaru was shown laughing having the time of his life, although at the start of the fight I do believe he shed a tear in injuring himself rather than killing Hiruzen right then and there (showing that he did show some remorse for what he was about to do).

I do think that Hashirama in his "prime" was when he had multiple biju under his control, not when he was being controlled after death.

 

[MickNerks]

I respect your interpretation on what was being referred to.

However, once again, why else would Edo Hashirama and Edo Tobirama stand still while Orochimaru and Hiruzen had that little one-on-one segment of the fight? Because they were not needed.
Why else would Orochimaru stand back, and Hashirama + Tobirama not engage in taijutsu against Hiruzen at the same time? Because it was not needed.
He was being toyed with, was being quickly overwhelmed, and he knew it. His only viable option left was RDS.

Anyways, if you think Hashirama and Tobirama were being completely 100% serious in that fight (albeit being controlled, and the manga saying otherwise), you'd be supporting that Hashirama and Tobirama are inferior to Orochimaru (who was soon in need of a new body, and thus was weakening) in terms of taijutsu; he did better against Hashirama/Tobirama than he did against Orochimaru in terms of taijutsu. I remember Orochimaru only having a 3.5 in taijutsu and a 3.5 in strength.

I deleted most of what you wrote because it was sooo irrelavent.

You ask why did the kages sit there and take turn with hiruzen. The simple answer is "because kishi chose them to". He wrote the manga. He wanted to give us a interesting fight.

Im not gonna argue with you that old hiruzen was better than hashirama and tobirama, but i will state countless times that hiruzen in his prime was a completely diffrent animal. Hiruzen in his prime was greater that hashirama and tobirama in taijutsu, genjutsu, and ninjutsu.

You know how i know?? Because manga told me.


Hashriama + Tobirama >>> Old Hiruzen

Hashirama + Tobirama <<< Prime Hiruzen

As the databook says that if hiruzen was 10 years younger the battle would have gone better for hiruzen. And 10 years younger wouldnt have even been his prime.

What's up with you and reading?
Did you read the manga?
Did you read what I said?
Because from your responses I can tell that you're not...
It hurts.

Since when were explosive tags taijutsu? :sy:
I do believe that was more than one hit. Did you even pay attention to the animation? Come on.

1. What's up with you and reading? Nothing
2. Did you read the manga? I've read ever page of the manga.
3. Did you read what I said? I skimed it, and only read the part where i saw you flawed.

It actually doesnt hurt, im pretty healthy.

He applied the explosive tags while using taijutsu, duhhh!!

How many hits he landed has nothing to do with the fact that it was a old geiser fighting 2 edo and a sannin and he still accomplished his mission.

 

[MickNerks]

I do think that Hashirama in his "prime" was when he had multiple biju under his control, not when he was being controlled after death.

Nothing suggest that hashirama could USE multiple bijuu in a fight. If he could he would have easily creamed and destoyed madara in their fight.. Think about it. He had the power to supress bijuu, not control their actions.

smh..

 

[Omnipotent]

Nothing suggest that hashirama could USE multiple bijuu in a fight. If he could he would have easily creamed and destoyed madara in their fight.. Think about it. He had the power to supress bijuu, not control their actions.

Do you not remember the manga stating he gave them out? You have no proof suggesting that he still had them in his possession by the time he fought Madara.

Oh...

It actually doesnt hurt, im pretty healthy.

You didn't read what I said.
When I said "it hurts" I was referring to myself.

 

[MickNerks]

Do you not remember the manga stating he gave them out? You have no proof suggesting that he still had them in his possession by the time he fought Madara.

Oh...
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Yes. It is known that hashriama had the bijuu's in his possesion and that he could supress them. But you cant shown me one manga page that says he used them in a fight.

So your statedment of him using bijuu's against hiruzen is baseless and only fanboy fiction.

 

[Slug Princess]

Best Hokage at

Ninjutsu- Hiruzen hands down. He knew over 1000+ skills, knew how to use all the techniques of Konoha, and was called the Professor for doing so.

Taijutsu- Minato. He was ale to keep up with Obito who had Kamui. This would be close though with Hiruzen who kept up with the first two Hokage with Orochimaru. Tsunade would be close too.

Genjutsu- Hashirama/Hiruzen. Hashirama knew Bringer of Darkness and fought Uchiha most of his life, who specialized in Genjutsu. Hiruzen because Ebisu said he knew 1000+ Genjutsu, skills in other translation. Also knew all techniques of Konoha.

Intelligence- Hiruzen. Hands down. To reason needed U_U

Strength- Tsunade easily. No reason needed.

Speed- Minato. No reason needed.

Stamina- Hashirama/Hiruzen/Tsunade. Hashirama was a Senju, same with Tsunade and Hiruzen was supposed to have incredible chakra reserves in his prime.

This includes all hype and feats that have been stated. You name yours now.

let's agree to disagree -___- ........... Jiraiya stated " No one is even close to Tsunade in close combat skills"... close combat = Taijutsu.

Tsunade = Taijutsu master (evasion +insane strength+regenerating jutsus to allow her go over her enemy with no worries+ Body pathway derangement to cripple opponents with a single touch+ Heavenly kick of Pain technique = Best Taijutsu user) manga facts...


Tsunade stamina >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Hiruzen
Reason Yin Seal with pure Yin chakra nature concentration.

 

[tracytracy22]

Ninjutsu - For me this is tough. Hiruzen was known as the professor, Minato invented the rasengan, RDS and FTG and Tsunade has displayed high level sealing and medical ninjutsu. The other 2 kages I'm not that impressed with tbh. I go with Hiruzen on this one.

Taijutsu - Tsunade. Although Hashirama comes in at a close 2nd for me.

Genjutsu - Either Hashirama or Hiruzen. Hashirama performed a high level genjutsu against Hiruzen and according to Ebisu, Hiruzen was said to have mastered thousands of illusions (I think this might be a translation error). I'll go with Hashirama on this one.

Intelligence - Hiruzen and Minato. Tsunade is very intelligent too.

Speed - Obvious.

Strength - Obvious.

Stamina - Tsunade and Hashirama.