Best Hokages at different skills

[Omnipotent]

Best Hokage at

Ninjutsu- Hiruzen hands down. He knew over 1000+ skills, knew how to use all the techniques of Konoha, and was called the Professor for doing so.

Taijutsu- Minato. He was ale to keep up with Obito who had Kamui. This would be close though with Hiruzen who kept up with the first two Hokage with Orochimaru. Tsunade would be close too.

Genjutsu- Hashirama/Hiruzen. Hashirama knew Bringer of Darkness and fought Uchiha most of his life, who specialized in Genjutsu. Hiruzen because Ebisu said he knew 1000+ Genjutsu, skills in other translation. Also knew all techniques of Konoha.

Intelligence- Hiruzen. Hands down. To reason needed U_U

Strength- Tsunade easily. No reason needed.

Speed- Minato. No reason needed.

Stamina- Hashirama/Hiruzen/Tsunade. Hashirama was a Senju, same with Tsunade and Hiruzen was supposed to have incredible chakra reserves in his prime.

This includes all hype and feats that have been stated. You name yours now.

Intelligence is Tobirama hands down:

How does Edo Tensei have anything to do with him as a Hokage? How do you even know he created the jutsu while he was Hokage? How could he have anticipated that others would use it for evil intentions? Do you think he wanted that to happen? Oh.

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With the academy, Konoha's up-and-coming shinobi became much more powerful than they would have been without the academy, thus boosting Konoha's military prowess. With the Chuunin Exams alone, he stopped many potential Great Shinobi World Wars. With the oppression of the Uchiha, he prevented any other cases like Madara, which if he did not prevent it could have lead to a civil war within Konoha, after which other nations would take advantage, once again resulting in a Great Shinobi World War. Under Hiruzen, the Uchiha Massacre occurred, crippling Konoha's military prowess. Under Minato, the Kyuubi attack occurred, where many valuable lives were lost, once again crippling Konoha's military prowess. Under Tsunade, the whole village was destroyed, and most of the population was deceased. What military prowess did they even have at that point? So, the point is, over the years, Tobirama's creation of the academy, chuunin exams, and the Konoha military police force have prevented many potential Great Shinobi World Wars. Yes, the Uchiha did plan a coup, but that was AFTER they were suspected in the Nine Tails' attack on Konoha (with reason; who other than an Uchiha could have done it?) under Minato's leadership and the Uchiha Massacre did occur, but that was under Hiruzen's leadership; the village was not Tobirama's responsibility at that point, as he was already dead for many years, correct?

I can use this quote for literally anything related to Tobirama. He looked much farther into the future than any Hokage did, and he did this under stressful situations (his whole time as Hokage was during the First Shinobi World War). With his ingenuity, he avoided much more potential Great Shinobi World Wars than any other Hokage did.

Also, he was the first to violate the laws of nature with Edo Tensei. Furthermore, Edo Tensei's only weakness is Itachi (through Izanami). According to the manga, it's also the best ninjutsu.

In speed, it should be Minato/Tobirama. Why? Because Tobirama's S/T was of high enough level to be compared to both Minato's FTG and Obito's kamui. However, even though I wouldn't like to say this, it's very likely that Minato's FTG was superior to Tobirama's S/T.

In stamina, was Tobirama not a Senju as well? For the same reason you put Hashirama, you can put Tobirama.

Hiruzen being close to Minato in taijutsu :rofl:

 

[know it all]

Best Hokage at

Ninjutsu- Hiruzen hands down. He knew over 1000+ skills, knew how to use all the techniques of Konoha, and was called the Professor for doing so.

Taijutsu- Minato. He was ale to keep up with Obito who had Kamui. This would be close though with Hiruzen who kept up with the first two Hokage with Orochimaru. Tsunade would be close too.

Genjutsu- Hashirama/Hiruzen. Hashirama knew Bringer of Darkness and fought Uchiha most of his life, who specialized in Genjutsu. Hiruzen because Ebisu said he knew 1000+ Genjutsu, skills in other translation. Also knew all techniques of Konoha.

Intelligence- Hiruzen. Hands down. To reason needed U_U

Strength- Tsunade easily. No reason needed.

Speed- Minato. No reason needed.

Stamina- Hashirama/Hiruzen/Tsunade. Hashirama was a Senju, same with Tsunade and Hiruzen was supposed to have incredible chakra reserves in his prime.

This includes all hype and feats that have been stated. You name yours now.

Sorry minato is the smartest hands down. And I think that tsunade and Hashi both used monster strength could be wrong. As for stamina, large chakra reserves have nothing to do with stamina. You forget that Tobirama was a senju as well

 

[Kages]

Intelligence is Tobirama hands down:


I can use this quote for literally anything related to Tobirama. He looked much farther into the future than any Hokage did, and he did this under stressful situations (his whole time as Hokage was during the First Shinobi World War). With his ingenuity, he avoided much more potential Great Shinobi World Wars than any other Hokage did.

Also, he was the first to violate the laws of nature with Edo Tensei. Furthermore, Edo Tensei's only weakness is Itachi (through Izanami). According to the manga, it's also the best ninjutsu.

In speed, it should be Minato/Tobirama. Why? Because Tobirama's S/T was of high enough level to be compared to both Minato's FTG and Obito's kamui. However, even though I wouldn't like to say this, it's very likely that Minato's FTG was superior to Tobirama's S/T.

In stamina, was Tobirama not a Senju as well? For the same reason you put Hashirama, you can put Tobirama.

Hiruzen being close to Minato in taijutsu :rofl:

Kabuto said you could call it the best Ninjutsu, not it is the best.

Ok, I agree with Speed but Minato still gets it

I can agree with that stamina thing but Hashirama can make a forest in an instant, much more feats

Hiruzen solo'd two Hokage at once with Taijutsu alone. He should be equal if not better. I was being nice to Minato

 

[Bijuu13]

Smartest - Tobirama or Minato ( Both created high level jutsus )
Strength and Taijutsu - Hashirama

 

[Flawž]

bro i'm actually tired of seeing you put hurizen in every thread thats exist. Can you try to contain it.

 

[KingHashirama]

bahahahahahahaah this coming from a hashirama fanboy

You want me to kiss Hiruzen's ass like you? sorry kiddo.

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Nice list.
Hashirama ftw.

>.> You liked it you Hippie.

 

[Omnipotent]

Kabuto said you could call it the best Ninjutsu, not it is the best.

Ok, I agree with Speed but Minato still gets it

I can agree with that stamina thing but Hashirama can make a forest in an instant, much more feats

Hiruzen solo'd two Hokage at once with Taijutsu alone. He should be equal if not better. I was being nice to Minato

No, he said it is the best, although I do agree that it is his opinion, the fact that Obito didn't outright disagree may support it:

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Of course, but it'd be Minato/Tobirama.

Of course, but it'd be Hashirama/Tsunade/Hiruzen/Tobirama (Tsunade has byakugou).
However, it should really only be Hashirama/Tsunade, due to their mitotic healing jutsu.

Hiruzen took on Orochimaru's tools:

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Who were apparently toying with him:

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Furthermore, you forget that Enma was there the whole entire time. Had it not been for his speech being a (plot) motivator for Hiruzen, he would've been dead with two Edos running wild.

Here's how Hiruzen did in taijutsu against Edo Hashirama who was a "tool" of Orochimaru being used to toy with Hiruzen:

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And here's how Enma did in taijutsu against Edo Tobirama who was a "tool" of Orochimaru being used to toy with Hiruzen:

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So, yeah.

 

[Bijuu13]

No, he said it is the best, although I do agree that it is his opinion, the fact that Obito didn't outright disagree may support it:

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Of course, but it'd be Minato/Tobirama.

Of course, but it'd be Hashirama/Tsunade/Hiruzen/Tobirama (Tsunade has byakugou).
However, it should really only be Hashirama/Tsunade, due to their mitotic healing jutsu.

Hiruzen took on Orochimaru's tools:

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Who were apparently toying with him:

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Furthermore, you forget that Enma was there the whole entire time. Had it not been for his speech being a (plot) motivator for Hiruzen, he would've been dead with two Edos running wild.

Here's how Hiruzen did in taijutsu against Edo Hashirama who was a "tool" of Orochimaru being used to toy with Hiruzen:

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And here's how Enma did in taijutsu against Edo Tobirama who was a "tool" of Orochimaru being used to toy with Hiruzen:

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So, yeah.

Not to mention Hashirama should have killed him right there considering the fact that he was given the feat of having similar strength to tsunade

 

[Kages]

No, he said it is the best, although I do agree that it is his opinion, the fact that Obito didn't outright disagree may support it:

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Of course, but it'd be Minato/Tobirama.

Of course, but it'd be Hashirama/Tsunade/Hiruzen/Tobirama (Tsunade has byakugou).
However, it should really only be Hashirama/Tsunade, due to their mitotic healing jutsu.

Hiruzen took on Orochimaru's tools:

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Who were apparently toying with him:

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Furthermore, you forget that Enma was there the whole entire time. Had it not been for his speech being a (plot) motivator for Hiruzen, he would've been dead with two Edos running wild.

Here's how Hiruzen did in taijutsu against Edo Hashirama who was a "tool" of Orochimaru being used to toy with Hiruzen:

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And here's how Enma did in taijutsu against Edo Tobirama who was a "tool" of Orochimaru being used to toy with Hiruzen:

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So, yeah.

Well explained. Hiruzen was punched by Hashirama, only in the anime. They were toying with him the Genjutsu only. Enma never did that in manga

 

[MickNerks]

Best Hokage at

Ninjutsu- Hiruzen hands down. He knew over 1000+ skills, knew how to use all the techniques of Konoha, and was called the Professor for doing so.

Taijutsu- Minato. He was ale to keep up with Obito who had Kamui. This would be close though with Hiruzen who kept up with the first two Hokage with Orochimaru. Tsunade would be close too.

Genjutsu- Hashirama/Hiruzen. Hashirama knew Bringer of Darkness and fought Uchiha most of his life, who specialized in Genjutsu. Hiruzen because Ebisu said he knew 1000+ Genjutsu, skills in other translation. Also knew all techniques of Konoha.

Intelligence- Hiruzen. Hands down. To reason needed U_U

Strength- Tsunade easily. No reason needed.

Speed- Minato. No reason needed.

Stamina- Hashirama/Hiruzen/Tsunade. Hashirama was a Senju, same with Tsunade and Hiruzen was supposed to have incredible chakra reserves in his prime.

This includes all hype and feats that have been stated. You name yours now.

Technically this list is incorrect buy i will show you where in my list.


Ninjutsu - Hiruzen (obviously), mastering all jutsu in leaf, having a 5 in the databook, and knowing all elements.

Taijutsu - Tsunade is the best hokage at taijutsu, hiruzen is second (he was said to master taijutsu)

Genjutsu - Hiruzen was said to know over 1000 illusions (genjustu techs)

Intellegence - Minato is held as a genius that is born once in a decade, and hiruzen was know as a genius and the professor.

Strength - Tsunade hands down. No one surpasses her.

Speed - Minato, his FTG and reflexes makes him the best in the category

Stamina - Hashirama, tobirama, and tsunade as a senju. And Hiruzen was stated to have immense levels in his prime.



When it comes to any form of shinobi combat hiruzen is the best hokage in the field because he was said to have mastered all forms of shinobi combat. This is debatable though with taijutsu. Tsunade may have surpasses hiruzen in taijutsu because of her monsterous strength and because she mostly relies on taijutsu.

 

[Amaterasuice]

Ninjutsu: Hiruzen/Hashirama: Hashi had stronger ninjutsu, but Hiruzen had more Ninjutsu. SO tie.

Taijutsu: Hashirama: he had the body of the sage. Plus, he out does Madara's taijutsu.

Genjutsu: Hashirama: Though Hiruzen was quite good at it, I say overall Hashirama takes it with bringer of darkness.

Intelligence: Hiruzen/Minato: Hiruzen was very smart, but so was Minato.

Strength: Tsunade: No info needed.

Speed: Minato: Obviously.

Stamina: Hashirama: Hashirama had enough chakra to fight Kurama+Madara alone. He obviously wins.

Hand seals: Minato/Hiruzen: Minato was known for hand seals, while Hiruzen has a 5 in handseals. Equal.

What about mine?

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

kills himself and loses to orochimaru. LOL and people think he can beat hashirama. hashirama summons biju and solo rapes hiruzen

 

[Omnipotent]

Well explained. Hiruzen was punched by Hashirama, only in the anime. They were toying with him the Genjutsu only. Enma never did that in manga

You cannot prove that he was only being toyed with only during Bringer of Darkness.

In fact, from what the manga shows, it was probably during the whole fight that he was being toyed with.
I mean, why else would Edo Hashirama and Edo Tobirama stand still while Orochimaru and Hiruzen had that little one-on-one segment of the fight? Because they were not needed.
Why else would Orochimaru stand back, and Hashirama + Tobirama not engage in taijutsu against Hiruzen at the same time? Because it was not needed.
He was being toyed with, was being quickly overwhelmed, and he knew it. His only viable option left was RDS.

Anyways, if you think Hashirama and Tobirama were being completely 100% serious in that fight (albeit being controlled, and the manga saying otherwise), you'd be supporting that Hashirama and Tobirama are inferior to Orochimaru (who was soon in need of a new body, and thus was weakening) in terms of taijutsu; he did better against Hashirama/Tobirama than he did against Orochimaru in terms of taijutsu. I remember Orochimaru only having a 3.5 in taijutsu and a 3.5 in strength :|

So yeah, they were toying with him.

 

[MickNerks]

No, he said it is the best, although I do agree that it is his opinion, the fact that Obito didn't outright disagree may support it:

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Of course, but it'd be Minato/Tobirama.

Of course, but it'd be Hashirama/Tsunade/Hiruzen/Tobirama (Tsunade has byakugou).
However, it should really only be Hashirama/Tsunade, due to their mitotic healing jutsu.

Hiruzen took on Orochimaru's tools:

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Who were apparently toying with him:

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Furthermore, you forget that Enma was there the whole entire time. Had it not been for his speech being a (plot) motivator for Hiruzen, he would've been dead with two Edos running wild.

Here's how Hiruzen did in taijutsu against Edo Hashirama who was a "tool" of Orochimaru being used to toy with Hiruzen:

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And here's how Enma did in taijutsu against Edo Tobirama who was a "tool" of Orochimaru being used to toy with Hiruzen:

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So, yeah.

Why are you using the fight between edo (prime) hashirama and a old hiruzen. Hiruzen in his prime had greater taijustu skills, as he was said to have mastered taijutsu in his prime. And enma stated that the battle was miserable compaired to his prime.

 

[Kages]

Ninjutsu: Hiruzen/Hashirama: Hashi had stronger ninjutsu, but Hiruzen had more Ninjutsu. SO tie.

Taijutsu: Hashirama: he had the body of the sage. Plus, he out does Madara's taijutsu.

Genjutsu: Hashirama: Though Hiruzen was quite good at it, I say overall Hashirama takes it with bringer of darkness.

Intelligence: Hiruzen/Minato: Hiruzen was very smart, but so was Minato.

Strength: Tsunade: No info needed.

Speed: Minato: Obviously.

Stamina: Hashirama: Hashirama had enough chakra to fight Kurama+Madara alone. He obviously wins.

Hand seals: Minato/Hiruzen: Minato was known for hand seals, while Hiruzen has a 5 in handseals. Equal.

What about mine?

I like it

 

[Kages]

You cannot prove that he was only being toyed with only during Bringer of Darkness.

In fact, from what the manga shows, it was probably during the whole fight that he was being toyed with.
I mean, why else would Edo Hashirama and Edo Tobirama stand still while Orochimaru and Hiruzen had that little one-on-one segment of the fight? Because they were not needed.
Why else would Orochimaru stand back, and Hashirama + Tobirama not engage in taijutsu against Hiruzen at the same time? Because it was not needed.
He was being toyed with, was being quickly overwhelmed, and he knew it. His only viable option left was RDS.

Anyways, if you think Hashirama and Tobirama were being completely 100% serious in that fight (albeit being controlled, and the manga saying otherwise), you'd be supporting that Hashirama and Tobirama are inferior to Orochimaru (who was soon in need of a new body, and thus was weakening) in terms of taijutsu; he did better against Hashirama/Tobirama than he did against Orochimaru in terms of taijutsu. I remember Orochimaru only having a 3.5 in taijutsu and a 3.5 in strength :|

So yeah, they were toying with him.

Orochimaeu only said they were toying with him only in the Genjutsu, he didn't say it anywhere else in the fight. I guess that's their real power then. Don't blame me, blame Kishi

 

[Omnipotent]

Orochimaeu only said they were toying with him only in the Genjutsu, he didn't say it anywhere else in the fight. I guess that's their real power then. Don't blame me, blame Kishi

But yet it's still your assumption that he was referring to them attacking him while he was under genjutsu, and not towards the whole fight.

Did you honestly just say Orochimaru, who was soon in need of a new body, and thus was weakening, is more proficient in taijutsu than Hashirama and Tobirama? When just after receiving a susanoo-smashing kick from Tsunade, Edo Madara says that Tsunade's not that weak (just pages after calling Hashirama the ultimate shinobi), says that the Five Kage's combined efforts are nothing compared to Hashirama?:

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Why are you using the fight between edo (prime) hashirama and a old hiruzen. Hiruzen in his prime had greater taijustu skills, as he was said to have mastered taijutsu in his prime. And enma stated that the battle was miserable compaired to his prime.

Did you seriously not read and just look at the flashy pictures?
That hurts.

 

[MickNerks]

You cannot prove that he was only being toyed with only during Bringer of Darkness.

In fact, from what the manga shows, it was probably during the whole fight that he was being toyed with.
I mean, why else would Edo Hashirama and Edo Tobirama stand still while Orochimaru and Hiruzen had that little one-on-one segment of the fight? Because they were not needed.
Why else would Orochimaru stand back, and Hashirama + Tobirama not engage in taijutsu against Hiruzen at the same time? Because it was not needed.
He was being toyed with, was being quickly overwhelmed, and he knew it. His only viable option left was RDS.

Anyways, if you think Hashirama and Tobirama were being completely 100% serious in that fight (albeit being controlled, and the manga saying otherwise), you'd be supporting that Hashirama and Tobirama are inferior to Orochimaru (who was soon in need of a new body, and thus was weakening) in terms of taijutsu; he did better against Hashirama/Tobirama than he did against Orochimaru in terms of taijutsu. I remember Orochimaru only having a 3.5 in taijutsu and a 3.5 in strength :|

So yeah, they were toying with him.

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After Hashirama stabs hiruzen and hiruzen falls to the ground orochimaru says " Whats wrong" (Taunting him from his recent injury).

Then oro says "do you intend to let the hokages toy with you bit by bit", After hiruzen and clones took multiple stabs from kages while in bringer of darkness.

Oro was refering to them toying with hiruzen whilst being in the genjutsu. Nothing from the fight before genjustu activation shows or implys that they were toying with him.

 

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After Hashirama stabs hiruzen and hiruzen falls to the ground orochimaru says " Whats wrong" (Taunting him from his recent injury).

Then oro says "do you intend to let the hokages toy with you bit by bit", After hiruzen and clones took multiple stabs from kages while in bringer of darkness.

Oro was refering to them toying with hiruzen whilst being in the genjutsu. Nothing from the fight before genjustu activation shows or implys that they were toying with him.

Rock on MickNerks!!!

 

[Amaterasuice]

Why does every thread involving the hokages become a hiruzen vs Hashirama argument? -_-