Madara's genjutsu is stronger than Sasuke's

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

we know

 

[Bogard]

He used a ocular genjutsu on shi, that doesn't relate to what was going on with the raikage..

Ei was clearly facing Juugo the entire time.. to assume Sasuke was trying to make eye contact with him and cast a ocular genjutsu is insane.. That's like saying sasuke would try to cast an eye contact jutsu on a blind person....

Ei is not only not looking at sasuke, but also, sasuke's sharigan wasn't even on ms

I'm not sure if we read the same manga. Ei says Sharingan is no match for me clearly implying that Sasuke was attempting a sharingan attack, in this case, genjutsu

 

[Nicksterz]

This fact should be obvious...
I don't understand why some of you are surprised or fighting it.

 

[dmasta]

Bogard i know this is off topic but how do you think obito's is stronger itachi's, from what i have seen his is good but not that good unless i have missed some thing

 

[Owarij]

I'm not sure if we read the same manga. Ei says Sharingan is no match for me clearly implying that Sasuke was attempting a sharingan attack, in this case, genjutsu

Saying the sharingan is no match does not in any way imply genjutsu is being used....sharingan has many other features, such as preognition etc...

Sasuke made it CLEAR , he has no sharingan genjutsu that doesn't require eye contact....Which means it's IMPOSSIBLE that he was trying ocular genjutsu considering ei was like this the entire time

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I dont know how in the world you're insinuating these two things

1)Sasuke can cast ms jutsu without turning on ms
2) Sasuke can cast ocular jutsu without making eye contact

 

[u wanna die]

yes... madara still is the best uchicha

 

[Bogard]

Bogard i know this is off topic but how do you think obito's is stronger itachi's, from what i have seen his is good but not that good unless i have missed some thing

Because i believe Obito's genjutsu is comparable to Kotoamatsukami:

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Saying the sharingan is no match does not in any way imply genjutsu is being used....sharingan has many other features, such as preognition etc...

Sasuke made it CLEAR , he has no sharingan genjutsu that doesn't require eye contact....Which means it's IMPOSSIBLE that he was trying ocular genjutsu considering ei was like this the entire time

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I dont know how in the world you're insinuating these two things

1)Sasuke can cast ms jutsu without turning on ms
2) Sasuke can cast ocular jutsu without making eye contact

Your clearly mixing everything. First you say that it was a non-sharingan genjutsu, now you say it was another sharingan attack. What are you clearly trying to explain? I'm not saying that it's possible for Sasuke to cast genjutsu without making eye contact. I said Sasuke tried to fix Raikage, so tried to make that actual eye contact to put him in a genjutsu, but Raikage said it was no match for him, and because he couldn't, he tried it on Shi

 

[dmasta]

I agree he probably is

 

[Owarij]

Your clearly mixing everything. First you say that it was a non-sharingan genjutsu, now you say it was another sharingan attack. What are you clearly trying to explain? I'm not saying that it's possible for Sasuke to cast genjutsu without making eye contact. I said Sasuke tried to fix Raikage, so tried to make that actual eye contact to put him in a genjutsu, but Raikage said it was no match for him, and because he couldn't, he tried it on Shi

I said what even sasuke was doing with his hands, was most likely a non eye contact genjutsu.. when is the last time you saw sasuke using handseals for sharingan genjutsu?

yea..thought so..


So your argument is

Sasuke failed at making eye contact with a STATIONARY ei,
and thus
his genjutsu is weaker than Madaras?

Ei never looked at Sasuke at that moment

Sasuke could not use a ocular genjutsu on him ... it was IMPOSSIBLE

Your thread op states sasuke's MS genjutsu is inferior to madara's.. once again that makes no sense as sasuke didn't even have MS on...

 

[dmasta]

Shisui's is stronger then obito's and obito got talent but itatchis hasent failed on anyone we need to se more out of obito though he was trained by madara so its anyones game but sasukes is weaker then all of theirs

 

[Bogard]

I said what even sasuke was doing with his hands, was most likely a non eye contact genjutsu.. when is the last time you saw sasuke using handseals for sharingan genjutsu?

yea..thought so..

Not because a technique doesn't usually require handseals that we've never seen ninja using it. I already gave you the example of Itachi using hanseals to form Amaterasu or Susanoo, or Kakashi using handseals for his kamui. All that is to accumulate the chakra necessary rapidely. So the fact we see Sasuke using handseal for a genjutsu doesn't mean he was using a non-Sharingan genjutsu. He was indeed using a Sharingan genjutsu

So your argument is

Sasuke failed at making eye contact with a STATIONARY ei,
and thus
his genjutsu is weaker than Madaras?

No, my argument is Sasuke tried to fix Raikage(when you see the pic it's obvious. I don't even understand what you're trying to deny here), when it happen, then put him in a genjutsu, but failed. Noticing it was no match for him, he attempted it to Shi

 

[Owarij]

No, my argument is Sasuke tried to fix Raikage(when you see the pic it's obvious. I don't even understand what you're trying to deny here), when it happen, then put him in a genjutsu, but failed. Noticing it was no match for him, he attempted it to Shi

I don't even understand what you mean by "Fix"

For an ocular genjutsu to be used, eye contact must be made on both sides..
A was focused on looking at JUGO as the scan shows

thus Sasuke had zero opportunities to cast an ocular genjtusu..

Sasuke was surprised when Itachi said there was a sharingan genjutsu that doesn't need eye contact... he does NOT have any izanami like ability

 

[dmasta]

you dont need eye contact for certain tpes and he did end up looking at him and why would he say he failed if he dident have a chance to connect the jutsu

 

[Bogard]

I don't even understand what you mean by "Fix"

For an ocular genjutsu to be used, eye contact must be made on both sides..
A was focused on looking at JUGO as the scan shows

thus Sasuke had zero opportunities to cast an ocular genjtusu..

Sasuke was surprised when Itachi said there was a sharingan genjutsu that doesn't need eye contact... he does NOT have any izanami like ability

I never said Sasuke was able to use Sharingan genjutsu without eye contact. I said Sasuke fix(tried to make eye contact with) Raikage. The fact Raikage says Sharingan is no match for him, means he noticed the Sasuke's attempt, but it failed, and now Sasuke attempted it on Shi instead. It's what i'm saying

 

[linxekim]

You guys are stupid... Sasuke couldn't make eye to eye contact with him because he was too fast. That's what the Raikage's bodyguard said. On the other hand, Madara used his Susanoo to hold the Raikage in a fixed position and was able to make eye to eye contact like that.

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[Owarij]

Once again

If the raikage wanted to tell sasuke his genjutsu attempt was futile, he would have said that..

Sharingan is the doujutsu.. it has MANY abilities... he could easily ahve been talking about sasuke's ability to keep up with his speed..



You can't make a claim saying sasuke's genjutsu is inferior to Madara's when all you're saying is that since sasuke never got to make eye contact.. the genjutsu is weaker..


You can't compare them at all.. since you've never seen sasuke cast a MS GENJUTSU on A


failure to make eye contact =/= level of a genjutsu .......It simply means the prerequisites to cast the genjutsu in the first place wasn't met, thus the genjutsu was never used

 

[dmasta]

Its hard to explain to people sigh madara is better sasukes gen is not that great come on guys

 

[dmasta]

im saying from what we have seen of sasukes gen it just doesnt have the stats to make him an elite gen user

 

[Owarij]

I'm not even arguing that sasuke's genjutsu is inferior..

I'm almost 100% sure it is.. it's madara after all..and sasuke's genjutsu has been stated in the manga to be weak.. but he does utilize it like a genius...

However i'm saying for the claim you made, you failed to meet the burden of proof
as it's just an interpretation of what you believe Ei meant.. but the entire scenario of the situation pretty much goes against the idea that Sasuke wanted to cast a genjutsu...

 

[blackstar9]

I disagree raikage looked madara directly in the eyes. During his fight with sasuke he was looking at jugo