Tobi's maturity thread

[Bogard]

Some people say that Tobi who fought Minato was immature compared to current Tobi. Lets say it's true. This thread is to know the concrete reasons why people believe he was. When i say concrete i'm talking about feats which make believe current Tobi is more mature, not refering to his age since i believe it's proven irrelevant when we see 16yo Naruto beating a supposed much more experimented 91yo Kakuzu, or 16yo Sasuke outsmarting and beating a supposed much more experimented 72 Danzo, etc

For me, if we go by feats purely, the Tobi who fought Minato was in the contrary more mature than the current(maybe he became senile ). An example of comparison:

- Because i don't believe that preventing all the Shinobi ninja world for a war when you can discretly attack and capture Bijuus is a model of intelligence. On the contrary the Tobi who fought Minato was intelligent enough to prepare sneaking attacks to attack the village(something that a normal intelligent guy should do), use Kyubi's TBB as a diversion to make a sneaking attack behind Minato in order to capture him in other dimension

- Current Tobi was too hasty to revive an incomplete Juubi when he had a possibility to revive him in a complete form. Even Madara says that. The Tobi who fought Minato on the contrary mentioned that many doors are still open, so he wasn't hasty at all

 

[Edo Odin]

Let's say that he's less mature now, it doesn't change the fact that he's a lot more experienced than when he fought Minato, and that's just a fact.

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

This thread is nothing more than you trying to boast up Minato's victory. Face it, Minato won versus a 14 year old Obito.

Obito has much more experience with his ability and has developed in strength and intelligence, not to mention gaining the rinnegan. He would destroy Minato now.

 

[Omnipotent]

This thread is nothing more than you trying to boast up Minato's victory. Face it, Minato won versus a 14 year old Obito.

Obito has much more experience with his ability and has developed in strength and intelligence, not to mention gaining the rinnegan. He would destroy Minato now.

^This...

Well at least the second part.

 

[Bogard]

This thread is nothing more than you trying to boast up Minato's victory. Face it, Minato won versus a 14 year old Obito.

Obito has much more experience with his ability and has developed in strength and intelligence, not to mention gaining the rinnegan. He would destroy Minato now.

This is a maturity thread, not ability thread. Obviously Obito became stronger, but it's not the goal of the topic. I'm talking about what makes you believe current Tobi is more mature and i want feats that makes you believe that, because i actually proved the contrary

 

[dmasta]

minato is stronger than tobi to tell the truth tobi is strong but he could take minato now if he got the chance and i like both of them

 

[Joon]

Tobi lost - less intel and being overconfident lead to his downfall. Also, his plan wasn't 100%. Their are errors or unexpectesis. Get over it. We can make up all the storys we want. This is coming from a Tobi fan.

 

[JaccuziSplot777]

I'm still confused about how obito was able to control the nine tails but not the other tailed beasts in the war plus controlling the mizkage nd bleeding when struck by minato when we all saw obito was fused with zetsu just soo many holes...I'm sorry I went off topic but I think obito was not mature wen fighting minato his whole fighting style was sloppy and wouldn't obito know his teacher Justus and fighting style???

 

[rollin]

Obito had to start a war because of Nagato and sasuke
So the only way to get bee and naruto out was to start a war

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

he never been about that life tho...minato got it

 

[Omnipotent]

This is a maturity thread, not ability thread. Obviously Obito became stronger, but it's not the goal of the topic. I'm talking about what makes you believe current Tobi is more mature and i want feats that makes you believe that, because i actually proved the contrary

Are you saying he became less mature with age?
I don't understand...

 

[Bogard]

Obito had to start a war because of Nagato and sasuke
So the only way to get bee and naruto out was to start a war

When he decided to make a war, he already sent Kisame to capture Killer-Bee, so what was the point of the war when you can use sneaking attacks to capture Tailed beasts yourself?

Are you saying he became less mature with age?
I don't understand...

It's exactly what i believe

 

[OnPoint]

Obito was 14 and was formerly a clumsy Uchiha in the mold of part I Naruto. He had a 1 in databook intelligence. Obito was only a tad older than part I Naruto. You can't magically gain intelligence in over a year, particularly if you weren't born a genius like Sasuke or Minato. There was definitely a lack of maturity on Obito's part, and his intelligence was definitely inferior to what it is now. He got restless a tried to take out Minato when he should've spammed Kamui and made Minato waste time (instead of saving Konoha). But at 14 he was haxxer than a mofo.

 

[Bogard]

Obito was 14 and was formerly a clumsy Uchiha in the mold of part I Naruto. He had a 1 in databook intelligence. Obito was only a tad older than part I Naruto. You can't magically gain intelligence in over a year, particularly if you weren't born a genius like Sasuke or Minato. There was definitely a lack of maturity on Obito's part, and his intelligence was definitely inferior to what it is now. He got restless a tried to take out Minato when he should've spammed Kamui and made Minato waste time (instead of saving Konoha). But at 14 he was haxxer than a mofo.

Obito wasn't idiot when he was a kid. I believe he simply didn't care about the way of ninja and had no more goals than only trying to impress Rin. It's the reason of his note in data. Rin's death gave him a motiv to create infinite tsukuyomi and to accomplish it, he obviously needed to create some plans, which made him become smarter. He started to manipulate even a much more older Nagato. It's a proof of it. The fact is that Madara even trained him personally, so under his direction, it was more easy for him to grow. Madara when he got revived even said that if it's Obito who is behind everything now, he is sure the plan is perfect, and the only Obito he knew was that 14yo

 

[OnPoint]

Obito wasn't idiot when he was a kid. I believe he simply didn't care about the way of ninja and had no more goals than only trying to impress Rin. Rin's death gave him a motiv to create infinite tsukuyomi and to accomplish it, he obviously needed to create some plans, which made him become smarter. The fact is that Madara even trained him personally, so under his direction, it was more easy for him to grow. Madara when he got revived even said that if it's Obito who is behind everything now, he is sure the plan is perfect, and the only Obito he knew was that 14yo

Obito was clumsy, he lacked finesse and he wasn't a known genius like Kakashi. He was actually always motivated and had the untapped potential which Madara unlocked. Irregardless of how well Madara trained him, intelligence isn't just something you 'learn'. Obito improved by an incredible amount but his intelligence didn't magically sky rocket. he somewhat matured but he definitely didn't reach the peak of his mental ability. Obito made things difficult for Minato because of the uniqueness and versatility of his power (and the circumstances he caught him in, with Naruto just being born and everything) not because of his 'intelligence'. That 14 year old would beat some known top tiers but it won't be because he's smarter than them or anything. And actually claiming he has regressed as time has gone on is just blasphemous talk.

 

[rollin]

When he decided to make a war, he already sent Kisame to capture Killer-Bee, so what was the point of the war when you can use sneaking attacks to capture Tailed beasts yourself?

It's exactly what i believe

zetsu was surprised that obito had another plan in case nagato failed
that probably was part of his backup plan for kisame to get intel
obito knew that because of nagato and sasuke the kages would want to hide them

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[Bogard]

Obito was clumsy, he lacked finesse and he wasn't a known genius like Kakashi. He was actually always motivated and had the untapped potential which Madara unlocked. Irregardless of how well Madara trained him, intelligence isn't just something you 'learn'. Obito improved by an incredible amount but his intelligence didn't magically sky rocket. he somewhat matured but he definitely didn't reach the peak of his mental ability. Obito made things difficult for Minato because of the uniqueness and versatility of his power (and the circumstances he caught him in, with Naruto just being born and everything) not because of his 'intelligence'. That 14 year old would beat some known top tiers but it won't be because he's smarter than them or anything. And actually claiming he has regressed as time has gone on is just blasphemous talk.

Like i've said, that 14yo was smart enough to manipulate a much more older Nagato with just words, and Madara when he got revived said he knew the plan was perfect if it was made by Obito, and the only Obito he knew was that 14yo. I'm not saying that current Obito lost intelligence, but i'm saying that if we go by feats, 14yo Obito has done things smarter than the current

 

[lol99]

current obito being more experienced is a lame excuse, it would be valid if obito had fought more ninjas like minato during these years but that is not the case
experience has more to do with fights rather than age

obito obviously made a mistake but then how many people would expect minato to teleport to an already flying kunai on their first encounter?

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[OnPoint]

Like i've said, that 14yo was smart enough to manipulate a much more older Nagato with just words, and Madara when he got revived said he knew the plan was perfect if it was made by Obito, and the only Obito he knew was that 14yo. I'm not saying that current Obito lost intelligence, but i'm saying that if we go by feats, 14yo Obito has done things smarter than the current

14 year old has Zetsu to consult. That's the whole reason Madara left behind some of his will, so that Obito would have some guidance. Obito didn't manipulate Nagato until Yahiko was dead. And we don't know how much time passed between these incidents, so he may've been much older. Link to where Madara called the plan perfect? And by feats, 14 year old Obito showed impatience and lack of experience against Minato; an elder version can easily fool Itachi, the whole of Akatsuki, manipulate Sasuke (we saw this, 1 vs 1), troll heavy melee fighters like Naruto & Gai whilst defending against Bijuu power and Kakashi's Kamui (and still come away with his life) and near instantly turn the tables on Uchiha Madara himself.

 

[Bogard]

14 year old has Zetsu to consult. That's the whole reason Madara left behind some of his will, so that Obito would have some guidance. Obito didn't manipulate Nagato until Yahiko was dead. And we don't know how much time passed between these incidents, so he may've been much older. Link to where Madara called the plan perfect? And by feats, 14 year old Obito showed impatience and lack of experience against Minato; an elder version can easily fool Itachi, the whole of Akatsuki, manipulate Sasuke (we saw this, 1 vs 1), troll heavy melee fighters like Naruto & Gai whilst defending against Bijuu power and Kakashi's Kamui (and still come away with his life) and near instantly turn the tables on Uchiha Madara himself.

When you look at Nagato's expression on this pic it's clear as day that Yahiko had not intervened, he would have followed Obito:

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Madara when he revived said "it's something he would do, there is probably a reason behind all this, meaning that the Obito he knew(14yo) would definitely do something like this and implies later that there is a good reason behind it

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When he met Obito he said: well it's you, i guess you have some plan:

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He clearly emphasis on "it's you", a way of saying he has no doubt about his plans and implies later that since it's Obito, the plan is good