Hiruzen knows and can perform all Konoha Jutsu's

[Omnipotent]

Ill disapprove of this however it isn't relevant to the thread so much so ill evade it



Erm no. Its you who do not understand. Jiraiya said having all 6 elemental chakra, he never said all 5. That is the difference. The 6th element is yin-yang release and that is beyond the normal person apart from rinnegan users or uchiha's with senju dna. Complete izanagi and banbatsu sozo are two yin yang technique's. That element is something that is exclusive to only a few, however the 5 nature elements consisting of katon, fuuton, raiton, doton and suiton are not exclusive




To an extent it does because you can call upon the right technique for the situation but also note what it was said which was he 'know's'. Meaning he knows how the techniques works and he demonstrated the knowledge on boh his jutsu's and the opponents.

For example with edo tensei, he knew that fuinjutsu is the way to get rid of the 2 hokage's. Being a technique of tobirama's and people like the gin/kin bros and mu knows about, its certain that hiruzen, his student will also know of this technique and he showed us enough knowledge.

I already got the point when Owarij explained it to me...

 

[Owarij]

I agree with everything bar the bit about the God of shinobi tag. you don't give someone the same tag as the Rikudou Sennin becuase htey've mastered all types of shinobi combat, otherwise Hashirama would have it also. Hiruzen was expressly stated as the strongest of the hokage and also the strongest of the 5 kage, plus his speed, strength and powerful chakra were said to be immensely powerful as well. I'm not sure what the databook says on the god of shinobi but i don't think it is what you're suggesting. the professor covers the shinobi prowess well enough.

in short, Hashirama's hype doesn't contradict Hiruzen's hype. the only thing is that part 1 scaling is way inferior to part 2 scaling and that hiruzen was the only hokage who had no impact on shippuden. obviously kishi believed that having him defeat the 2 senju and reinforce the strength of oro's et through kabuto would be enough... which doesnt seem to be the case.

Yea, I think the moniker came from everything about him, his mastery of ninjutsu coupled with the fact that he was superior to every ninja in his time....which begs the question why everyone gave him that title, and not hashirama, who was also a master in his own right of nin,gen,tai and was known for his superiority

 

[Negative Knight]

Yea, I think the moniker came from everything about him, his mastery of ninjutsu coupled with the fact that he was superior to every ninja in his time....which begs the question why everyone gave him that title, and not hashirama, who was also a master in his own right of nin,gen,tai and was known for his superiority

I have but one thing to say. Sandaime Raikage knows three jutsu, still better than Hiruzen

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[Waltz]

I have but one thing to say. Sandaime Raikage knows three jutsu, still better than Hiruzen

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Neg Night Trolling? xd

Sandaime Raikage died from his own technique and was one of the stated "weaker-5-kage" during hiruzen's time.

 

[Owarij]

I have but one thing to say. Sandaime Raikage knows three jutsu, still better than Hiruzen

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how dare you utter such words

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[zeuspater]

thanks for your attempt. nice.

 

[GiantShuriken]

Third Raikage even made Naruto work hard to beat him. Third Raikage would rip Hiruzen into pieces.

 

[Negative Knight]

Neg Night Trolling? xd

Sandaime Raikage died from his own technique and was one of the stated "weaker-5-kage" during hiruzen's time.

Don't disrespect Sandaime, he was one of the greatest Kages to have ever lived :scorps:.

Btw, it was Ei who was the current Kage when Hiruzen was said to be the god of shinobi. Sandaime died during the previous war.

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how dare you utter such words

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It had to be said. Sandaime Raikage > Hiruzen > Hashi. Happy xd ?

 

[KingHashirama]

O_O. Love those 2 were sayin people weren't reading their thread. But when people were actually reading it..... Excluding the KKG and hidden jutsus that belong to the leaf..... out of the whole equation is a big flaw. .

 

[Waltz]

Don't disrespect Sandaime, he was one of the greatest Kages to have ever lived :scorps:.

Btw, it was Ei who was the current Kage when Hiruzen was said to be the god of shinobi. Sandaime died during the previous war.

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:scorps: Hiruzen wins by default for being God of shinobi. U_U Hype > All

 

[Talal]

Third Raikage is a one trick pony.

 

[KingHashirama]

It was confirmed by anbu that Age depletes chakra. So a possible explanation is that the jutsu Hiruzen knew required lots of chakra.

If Hiruzen had some Senju DNA like Danzo, Hiruzen could probably have beaten Oro easily.

Then he was freakin weak....Onoki had more chakra then him i guess.. lmao.

Also, why does he need Senju Dna.. wasn't he called the "God of shinobi"? lmao.

:scorps: Hiruzen wins by default for being God of shinobi. U_U Hype > All

>.> No no Raikage wins by default. Taking on 1 man is a piece of cake, when you already defended off 10,000 shinobi for 3 days and 3 nights.

 

[blackstar9]

Great thread i would plus rep you if i knew how!

 

[Talal]

Then he was freakin weak....Onoki had more chakra then him i guess.. lmao.

Also, why does he need Senju Dna.. wasn't he called the "God of shinobi"? lmao.




>.> No no Raikage wins by default. Taking on 1 man is a piece of cake, when you already defended off 10,000 shinobi for 3 days and 3 nights.

Oonki keeps taking chakra from Tsunade if I remember correctly. From the fight with Oro I feel like Hiruzen showed amazing chakra for his age.

No one is denying that Senju DNA (Hashirama DNA honestly) is beastly, but having a perfect body doesn't necessarily make you stronger.

Those 10,000 were probably fodder xd.

 

[Negative Knight]

Oonki keeps taking chakra from Tsunade if I remember correctly. From the fight with Oro I feel like Hiruzen showed amazing chakra for his age.

No one is denying that Senju DNA (Hashirama DNA honestly) is beastly, but having a perfect body doesn't necessarily make you stronger.

Those 10,000 were probably fodder xd.

Don't speak of Sandaime if you're not praising him U_U.

 

[Talal]

Don't speak of Sandaime if you're not praising him U_U.

Kakuzu > Sandaime Raikage. Kakuzu did say he fought the legendary Hashirama. xd

 

[Negative Knight]

Kakuzu > Sandaime Raikage. Kakuzu did say he fought the legendary Hashirama. xd

I'm torn now . I'm not sure if i respect you for saying that or hate you for disrespecting Sandaime.

 

[Blaze Release]

I agree with everything bar the bit about the God of shinobi tag. you don't give someone the same tag as the Rikudou Sennin becuase htey've mastered all types of shinobi combat, otherwise Hashirama would have it also. Hiruzen was expressly stated as the strongest of the hokage and also the strongest of the 5 kage, plus his speed, strength and powerful chakra were said to be immensely powerful as well. I'm not sure what the databook says on the god of shinobi but i don't think it is what you're suggesting. the professor covers the shinobi prowess well enough.

in short, Hashirama's hype doesn't contradict Hiruzen's hype. the only thing is that part 1 scaling is way inferior to part 2 scaling and that hiruzen was the only hokage who had no impact on shippuden. obviously kishi believed that having him defeat the 2 senju and reinforce the strength of oro's et through kabuto would be enough... which doesnt seem to be the case.

The DB doesn't explain why he was called the shinobi no kami so i used my own deduction ability to solve why as it made more sense than saying his raw power rivals the rinnegan user's, bm naruto, hashirama or kabuto. I believe that its much, but also we get into the zone of overrating him which may lead to another war that i do not want.

I do believe its mastery of the arts but also enma has something to do with it.

@Owarij lol you need to calm down

 

[SuperSayin]

+ rep for the effort i like how organized it is.However hashi also had a large scroll filled with kinjustu.His stamina is higher his chakra levels are higher unless you want to debate over if hiruzen truly had more stamina and chakra then a descendant of the sage.Who embodies the psychical energy of the sage lol He can maintain dominance over the tailed beast and can heal without handsigns.Not to mention madara states that he is the only one who can beat him.That should be enough right there but more importantly he also said most people though his power was a fairy tale not that it actually was.It was a hyperbole of the people who lived in that time because they could not fathom his power.


"These two hypes are different. One is for extreme versatility in all 3 forms of ninja art, the other is the power to control bijuu and change landscapes."


they were specifically noted to be skilled in every category You obviously know nothing about the senju

ps if it is stated in the manga its not hype its called facts

"ps if it is stated in the manga its not hype its called facts" However its also stated that the third was the strongest of the kages and hokages... so then your post automatically falls.

 

[lilshell43]

The Sarutobi Clan are capable of learning high ranked jutsus very quickly so I believe it's possible. This thread is the best I read all month.