Sasuke vs Kisame(why Kisame wins)

[Masked man]

chakra is chakra and it doesn't burn fast (kagesummit)

Itachi used Amaterasu to get out of Jiraiya's technique.. And It burned Jiraiya's jutsu in a few seconds..

 

[2big]

your thread should be why kisame whould get trapped in a genjutsu... and loseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[slaton02]

Kisame didn't absorbs Bee's chakra, Samehada did. Kisame got his chest blew up, while Preta path absorbed Bee's chakra without gettin hurt. So Amaterasu will turn him to ash before he can react or absorb it. Lariat is slower than Amaterasu and he couldn't even react to that. Kamui was Kakashi only option since he couldn't move, Kisame doesn't have Kamui he gets his head blown off. Couldn't understand the last part, but Sasuke has too many ways to win. genjutsu which will drop Kisame, and leave him open to any attack, Sasuke can take samehada out the picture quick with Amaterasu, or Kirin which will obliterate him.

It's like we are going around in circles, Bee's chakra was absorbed period, is amaterasu instants burn to ash? No it isn't, it fail to burn raikages arm of burning for a minute fail to kill a fodder after burning for minutes fail to kill Karin. Kisame torse was ripped open instantly faster than Ama can kill him. My point is Kisame will absorb it before it kills him and heal. Like I said he could side step it if he is at mid range. samehada will break him out of genjutsu and he could sense Sasuke out in fusion mode. Even if Kisame is caught in genjutsu he won't K.O him and by the time kirin is prep Kisame would have already shaved Sasuke up. Tell me how Sasuke beat great shark bullet? How does he beat waterdome+ 100s of shark+fusion Kisame? How does he put and keep Kisame down? How can Sasuke use ninjutsu if his chakra is being absorb?

Itachi used Amaterasu to get out of Jiraiya's technique.. And It burned Jiraiya's jutsu in a few seconds..

Key words Itachi, Jiraiya's jutsu

your thread should be why kisame whould get trapped in a genjutsu... and loseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

You're late to the party aren't you mate? We already been through how Kisame counter Sasuke genjutsu but what no one has figured out is how Sasuke live from Great shark missle or waterdome+fusion or chakra absorbed or drowning or 1000 sharks or....you get the point

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Amaterasu > Water

Honestly, I don't see how can Kisame defeat Sasuke. He wins this low/ mid diff.

 

[slaton02]

Amaterasu > Water

Honestly, I don't see how can Kisame defeat Sasuke. He wins this low/ mid diff.

Lol low ok and ama>water xd did you even read the thread? You don't know how Kisame defeats Sasuke? you're an obvious troll even the people I'm debating with know Kisame has ways of Killing Sasuke they just think he can't pull it off (even though the facts are there) and we already come down to the conclusion Amaterasu is not going to kill Kisame.

sorry you're probably not a troll but just don't know Kisame's jutsu's and feats

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Lol low ok and ama>water xd did you even read the thread? You don't know how Kisame defeats Sasuke? you're an obvious troll even the people I'm debating with know Kisame has ways of Killing Sasuke they just think he can't pull it off (even though the facts are there) and we already come down to the conclusion Amaterasu is not going to kill Kisame.

Ama > Water

 

[slaton02]

Ama > Water

xd do you even know why I'm laughing?.....NO SH*t and Ama>fire too. It's not an issue and you don't seem to get that and you state something everyone know xd. Read before commenting

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

xd do you even know why I'm laughing?.....NO SH*t and Ama>fire too. It's not an issue and you don't seem to get that and you state something everyone know xd.

Ama > Water

xd

I'm kidding. I like Sasuke better then Kisame. I read your thread, and you have good points ( I agree with the most of it) but Sasuke is just too cool to loose against a fish :scorps:

 

[slaton02]

Ama > Water

xd

I'm kidding. I like Sasuke better then Kisame. I read your thread, and you have good points ( I agree with the most of it) but Sasuke is just too cool to loose against a fish :scorps:

I'm glad you see my point but @the bold is whats wrong with forums. It's become a popularity contest over feats. "Sasuke is too cool to lose"? I have seen things similar with Naruto,Itachi,and Minato threads where people deny they would lose because they are cool and can't picture it. I knew people would act like this with Sasuke it's expected. I never make a thread like this unless I'm 100% sure or convince the person will win. my goal is to get what I see and feel off my chest and prove people wrong and hopefully convince some people and my mission was a success. I play no favorites and tell like it is.
It's the reason I was dubbedvv

 

[the dark king]

He did absorb bee's chakra but samehada was pushed ino him Ama burn feats have been alot slower than that lariate, and Kakashi didn't side step the arrow he kamui'd it since it was the better op. If Kisame gets cle o Sase hi chakra and layers of susanoo will be absorbed.


Nagato was being controlled by Kabuto and shinrei tensei is better than absorbing it. Plus preta path absorbing works differently than Kisame's. Kirin takes way too much prep Saske doesn't have, you thinkabout all the way Sasuke can win without thinking of the charka amount. He has chakra know? an you're not thinking about Kisame being the attacker youre just lookin at Sasuke spamming techs with no charka loss and Kisame not attacking.

Amaterasu has chakra you shouldn't even question that and yes es Nart would have truble with him too he was aleady stated o be the best jin hunter in akatsuki and t never fall/die(diffrent translation) and never tire. I do thinkthre is a limit to how much he can absorb so I would not think he can absorb tbb without GSB and Jinton is a weir jutsu that puts you in a box and turn you into dust, I doubt he can absorb if it's executed because it's instant death. He may be able to if he uses samehada to swip around the box before the jutsu is completed. I don't know how dust release works.Yes Ksame can eat most nin becase he can absorb most ninjutsu and hi durability, he really is underrated on here but when you look at the facts he can do all of this. I would agree Kisame mid diff if youre not being sarcastic which you shouldn't be.

im not being sarcstic according to the facts you've given kisame is better but according to hype about ems sasuke is stronger so it depends on weather you want to follow hype or facts. also sasuke has been shown to use amaterasu on a much larger scale after getting ems and it had no drain on him, i think the point of ems is that you can use ms sharingan techs with minimal drain to your chakra. but im worried about the resistance samehada gives kisame to genjutsu after all itachi's tsukuyomi is 1 sec so im not sure if kisame can beat itachi (aferall kisame seemed to respect itachi an awful lot). after they ran from jiraya kisame practically said itachi was stronger than him.

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i know people think itachi was making excuse not to capture naruto but seriously j-man is a monster and itachi isn't a person to overestimate his opponents (he's an arrogant uchiha like his brother who wasn't even scared of tobi). and humble jiraya isn't one to under estimate his opponents and we know he was confident enough to take on itachi even without knowing about his sickness

so in my opinion jiraya>itachi>kisame (i think he's susceptible to itachi's tsukuyomi> ems ssuke (according to the facts you provided)

 

[the dark king]

now even though amaterasu is not instant incineration enton matagama is burns REALLY fast so people shouldn't say amaterasu burn slow, im also pretty sure sasuke can control the intensity of the flames and make the burn faster, but if he can absorb it then he still wins i just don't want people underestimating amaterasu

 

[slaton02]

im not being sarcstic according to the facts you've given kisame is better but according to hype about ems sasuke is stronger so it depends on weather you want to follow hype or facts. also sasuke has been shown to use amaterasu on a much larger scale after getting ems and it had no drain on him, i think the point of ems is that you can use ms sharingan techs with minimal drain to your chakra. but im worried about the resistance samehada gives kisame to genjutsu after all itachi's tsukuyomi is 1 sec so im not sure if kisame can beat itachi (aferall kisame seemed to respect itachi an awful lot). after they ran from jiraya kisame practically said itachi was stronger than him.

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i know people think itachi was making excuse not to capture naruto but seriously j-man is a monster and itachi isn't a person to overestimate his opponents (he's an arrogant uchiha like his brother who wasn't even scared of tobi). and humble jiraya isn't one to under estimate his opponents and we know he was confident enough to take on itachi even without knowing about his sickness

so in my opinion jiraya>itachi>kisame (i think he's susceptible to itachi's tsukuyomi> ems ssuke (according to the facts you provided)

Kisame didn't actually say Itachi your better than me. He was says he would do better against Jiraiya and wasn't sure he could beat j-man. Which brings me to my next point....How the hell did Itachi and Kisame know J-man is stronger than them if the never fought him??? I believe this is pure plot excuse for them to not capture Naruto. Cmon, Itachi said more people won't change the outcome which is BS cause J-man ultimately died vs Pain which proves Kishi needed an excuse for them not to go after Naruto, so I take what they said with a grain of salt and plus that was part 1. I go by feats and some Hype because hype has been proven wrong before and when you have a plot things will be put in that don't make sense or even not true to make the story better.

Kisame had mad respect for Itachi even thought of him before he died. Kisame thought of Itachi as his or closest thing to/only friend cause Itachi was fully of wisedome and the life choices they made were similar. Itachi vs Kisame would be a great fight and closer than most people think or try to tell themselves Itachi's Genjutsu is Kisame biggest threat not for K.o but for Kisame not knowing, even then fusion mode might sense it out.....gives you something to think about.

 

[Champ]

It's like we are going around in circles, Bee's chakra was absorbed period, is amaterasu instants burn to ash? No it isn't, it fail to burn raikages arm of burning for a minute fail to kill a fodder after burning for minutes fail to kill Karin. Kisame torse was ripped open instantly faster than Ama can kill him. My point is Kisame will absorb it before it kills him and heal. Like I said he could side step it if he is at mid range. samehada will break him out of genjutsu and he could sense Sasuke out in fusion mode. Even if Kisame is caught in genjutsu he won't K.O him and by the time kirin is prep Kisame would have already shaved Sasuke up. Tell me how Sasuke beat great shark bullet? How does he beat waterdome+ 100s of shark+fusion Kisame? How does he put and keep Kisame down? How can Sasuke use ninjutsu if his chakra is being absorb?

Bee's chakra was absorbed by Samehada and he doesn't like fire. Yes, Amaterasu turned Danzo to ash instantly. Like I said he's to slow to dodge his arrow he gets killed. Samehada will be turn to ash by Amaterasu too, so he can't help Kisame. a few enton arrows to the sky and Kirin is ready in seconds to obliterate Kisame. Kisame doesn't start out usin his waterdome, while Sasuke does start out with Susano'o and since Kisame can't dodge his arrow he dies.

 

[slaton02]

Bee's chakra was absorbed by Samehada and he doesn't like fire. Yes, Amaterasu turned Danzo to ash instantly. Like I said he's to slow to dodge his arrow he gets killed. Samehada will be turn to ash by Amaterasu too, so he can't help Kisame. a few enton arrows to the sky and Kirin is ready in seconds to obliterate Kisame. Kisame doesn't start out usin his waterdome, while Sasuke does start out with Susano'o and since Kisame can't dodge his arrow he dies.

Your not getting the point, it's doesn't matter who absorbed bees chakra (when I said Kisame i was speak in a sense he used sama to absorbed it) the main debate was if the damage Kisame received (instant) was slower or faster than Ama killing speed. Based on the feats we saw from it during the kage summit and on karin Ama's Killing/burning speed was slower than then instant damage Kisame received. Samehada is not needed and if so I'm Samahada could absorb it, you keep saying it doesn't like fire which is true but so what? doesn't make it less absorbable. Kisame can force it rather it want's to or not. see now we are going backwards Samehada vs Ama doesn't matter. Kabuto's snake at mid range was capable of dodgeing Sasuske's arrow and Kakashi at short-mid range I feel would of had enough time do dodge or duck if he know it was going to come. You say Kisame wouldn't start with waterdome which you have no idea if he would since he only had 2 fights in the show. You now have Sasuke spamming multiple attacks and all his attack back to back without stopping for nothing not even to think if the last one work or the amount of chakra it's cost him. You have yet to say how Sasuke will counter Kisame's techs but I said how Kisame counters his. Kisame has alway been an attack first Kind of guy and probably will make the first move.

 

[Champ]

Your not getting the point, it's doesn't matter who absorbed bees chakra (when I said Kisame i was speak in a sense he used sama to absorbed it) the main debate was if the damage Kisame received (instant) was slower or faster than Ama killing speed. Based on the feats we saw from it during the kage summit and on karin Ama's Killing/burning speed was slower than then instant damage Kisame received. Samehada is not needed and if so I'm Samahada could absorb it, you keep saying it doesn't like fire which is true but so what? doesn't make it less absorbable. Kisame can force it rather it want's to or not. see now we are going backwards Samehada vs Ama doesn't matter. Kabuto's snake at mid range was capable of dodgeing Sasuske's arrow and Kakashi at short-mid range I feel would of had enough time do dodge or duck if he know it was going to come. You say Kisame wouldn't start with waterdome which you have no idea if he would sense he only head 2 fight in the show. You now have Sasuke spamming multiple attacks and all his attack back to back without stopping for nothing not even to think if the last one work or the amount of chakra it's cost him. You have yet to say how Sasuke will counter Kisame's techs but I said how Kisame counters his. Kisame has alway been an attack first Kind of guy and probably will make the first move.

It does matter who absorbed it cause, if Kisame did that mean he can absorb chakra instantly any elemental attack that touches him, but he can't he's not preta path. We already saw Amaterasu turn Danzo & Zetsu to ash same will happen to Kisame. Samehada doesn't like fire, so why would it eat something that Burns it mouth and it doesn't like? It's like you eatin food you don't like, you wouldn't do it. Can't believe you're bringing up Dsm Kabuto into this we already know he's a Perfect Sage, who has enhanced sensing abilities, speed, and reflexes. Kisame has none of that. Sasuke launched two arrows at Kakashi from long range, nothing is stopping him from doing it here especially since Kisame can't dodged them. EMS drains minimum chakra from Sasuke, so he'll have no problem spamming attacks. You haven't countered anything you just made up stuff and think that's goin to work when it won't. Kisame need a ocean to make those attacks you named an he has never started out with waterdome. Sasuke usually makes the first move when he sees his opponents, like against Deidara & Obito he speed blitzed them, he went straight for Itachi without being hesitant, against A he tried to kill him with Chidori, against Danzo & Kakashi he used Susano'o right from the start.

 

[VangBro95]

Nope. Kisame's my favorite Naruto character and even I say he doesn't win. Samaheda is weak against Fire jutsu's. Samaheda and Kisame can only absorb so much chakra at a time. Susanoo and his Amaterasu balls can probably take out Kisame. I'm not so sure what will happen if Kisame gets Sasuke trapped in his Water Prison Shark Dance Jutsu though.

 

[slaton02]

It does matter who absorbed it cause, if Kisame did that mean he can absorb chakra instantly any elemental attack that touches him, but he can't he's not preta path. We already saw Amaterasu turn Danzo & Zetsu to ash same will happen to Kisame. Samehada doesn't like fire, so why would it eat something that Burns it mouth and it doesn't like? It's like you eatin food you don't like, you wouldn't do it. Can't believe you're bringing up Dsm Kabuto into this we already know he's a Perfect Sage, who has enhanced sensing abilities, speed, and reflexes. Kisame has none of that. Sasuke launched two arrows at Kakashi from long range, nothing is stopping him from doing it here especially since Kisame can't dodged them. EMS drains minimum chakra from Sasuke, so he'll have no problem spamming attacks. You haven't countered anything you just made up stuff and think that's goin to work when it won't. Kisame need a ocean to make those attacks you named an he has never started out with waterdome. Sasuke usually makes the first move when he sees his opponents, like against Deidara & Obito he speed blitzed them, he went straight for Itachi without being hesitant, against A he tried to kill him with Chidori, against Danzo & Kakashi he used Susano'o right from the start.

Your going backward for real, Bee's lariate is not the part where Kisame absorbed element chakra himself this was already explain. He absorbed lightning and and the stone needle attack. Everyone got this but you, I told you would try to deny or act like Kisame did absorb anything himself I provide multiple time he did so move on from him absorbing jutsus himself it's confirm he can. Kisame can amke samehada absorb even if it doesn't want to. At turtle island it grabbed samehada and it absorbed Bee's chakra and B said afterwards"I see he forced you, he forced you" do I need to get the manga page for this? so yes Kisame can make Samehada abosorb Amaterasu too.

Kabuto's snake dodged it. He was in the snake and it wasn't Kabuto's movement so yes I think I can bring that up. Stop now with say he can spam attacks ems reduce the strain not the chakr cost and no one spamms attacks back to back to back to back to back without stopping so just stop now. Now you're saying I making stuff up when I already shown proof and people that was leaning Sasuke agreed with me on the feats, So I know you just BS because I'm proving myself right. Kisame can make his own water that filled a canyon just look at what 30% chakra clone Kisame created vs team Guy so he got the water to do the techs. Well looks like both guys are attack first type of people. Kisame already know about the sharigan won't hold back he would put up waterdome or explosive water shock wave(which he started off with during his battle with team guy) so that proves you wrong about him not starting with waterdome or massive lvl tech. The fact you said I'm making stuff up and not admitting to manga fact tells me your a deny deny deny type of Sasuke fanboy or something, cause your the only one denying these thing. Oh look still haven't countered nothing, I'm done with you, NEXT! No actually I'm gonna go get on xbox. I'llcheck back later so see if someone post a real argument.

 

[slaton02]

Nope. Kisame's my favorite Naruto character and even I say he doesn't win. Samaheda is weak against Fire jutsu's. Samaheda and Kisame can only absorb so much chakra at a time. Susanoo and his Amaterasu balls can probably take out Kisame. I'm not so sure what will happen if Kisame gets Sasuke trapped in his Water Prison Shark Dance Jutsu though.

I already proved the samehada and fire thing and we don't even know how much chakra Kisame himself can absorb but he took nearly all of the dude with the glasses chakra in 1 go and was capable of absorbing bee chakra from samehada onto himself minutes before showing he absorb a lot. Samehada has a limit to 3 tails worth at a time and Ama certaintly doesn't have 3 tails worth of chakra or base B+dude with glasses chakra combined. Anyone that know anything about Kisame would know this. Kisame your fav? and you know little about him?

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

I can't see him absorbing amaterasu at all. It might be possible for him to break out of genjutsu with samehada, i guess similarly to how a perf jin can break out thanks to their tailed beast.

But yeah, he's not absorbing amaterasu bro. We've seen him absorb bees lightning tech and thats it. There's no evidence he'd be able to absorb amaterasu, which is far from a normal elemental attack...the flames literally can't be put out unless sasuke does it himself or the target finishes burning. How is he going to absorb this?

Kisame absorbing a lightning tech isn't evidence that he can absorb any and all element techs(we've seen him absorb 1 lightning tech, that doesn't confirm he can absorb any level of all element attacks) including the ridiculous OP amaterasu, that probably wouldn't happen bro. If he tried he'd probably just be roasted...

Anyone who is logical will tell you that you're wrong man...

BTW, with EMS Sasuke actually CAN spam amaterasu, we've even seen it already.

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He literally just burned like 10+ zetsus in 1 shot...

 

[Champ]

Your going backward for real, Bee's lariate is not the part where Kisame absorbed element chakra himself this was already explain. He absorbed lightning and and the stone needle attack. Everyone got this but you, I told you would try to deny or act like Kisame did absorb anything himself I provide multiple time he did so move on from him absorbing jutsus himself it's confirm he can. Kisame can amke samehada absorb even if it doesn't want to. At turtle island it grabbed samehada and it absorbed Bee's chakra and B said afterwards"I see he forced you, he forced you" do I need to get the manga page for this? so yes Kisame can make Samehada abosorb Amaterasu too.

Kabuto's snake dodged it. He was in the snake and it wasn't Kabuto's movement so yes I think I can bring that up. Stop now with say he can spam attacks ems reduce the strain not the chakr cost and no one spamms attacks back to back to back to back to back without stopping so just stop now. Now you're saying I making stuff up when I already shown proof and people that was leaning Sasuke agreed with me on the feats, So I know you just BS because I'm proving myself right. Kisame can make his own water that filled a canyon just look at what 30% chakra clone Kisame created vs team Guy so he got the water to do the techs. Well looks like both guys are attack first type of people. Kisame already know about the sharigan won't hold back he would put up waterdome or explosive water shock wave(which he started off with during his battle with team guy) so that proves you wrong about him not starting with waterdome or massive lvl tech. The fact you said I'm making stuff up and not admitting to manga fact tells me your a deny deny deny type of Sasuke fanboy or something, cause your the only one denying these thing. Oh look still haven't countered nothing, I'm done with you, NEXT! No actually I'm gonna go get on xbox. I'llcheck back later so see if someone post a real argument.

Duh I just said Kisame didn't absorb Bee's Lariat he got his chest blew up learn to read. Samehada likes Bee's chakra, which is why it didn't want to kill him and turned on Kisame. Samehada doesn't like fire so he won't try to absorb Amaterasu once it's on him. Manga has showed us since Sasuke has acquired EMS he's shown no fatigue usin Susano'o or Amaterasu, he can spam attacks all he won't since EMS drains minimum chakra from him. With MS against Danzo he launched his Arrow back to back to back. Plz read the manga. whatever you say retard, you're the one who said Kisame can dodge his arrow. Even Kisame fans know he loses. When Kisame can dodge Sasuke Arrows then he might have a chance since can't he gets killed.