Hashirama is all HYPE

[thegame]

I mean a technique is a technique....a great fireball is just the same as a great fireball...


I would think all of the Mokuton techniques are in fact the same ones Hashirama used because Madara wished to try them out due to the fact they were at some point utxsed on him.....

I never said anything against this. My point is the scale of jutsu, can differ from person to person. As an edo tensei, you can just use the largest possible scale (according to your total amount of chakra), and regain it afterwards.

If Sasuke make a fireball as a 6 year old, that doesn't mean he can't improve the scale of it, and thus the damage.

Now can Hashirama use EVERY Mokuton technique Madara showed in one fight?! Maybee, maybee not. Since we don't know Hashirama's chakra levels as well as the actual chakra ammount needed for all of the Mokuton techniques shown by Madara.

Hashi probably had, given he is a senju, however, it would be pointless to deplete his chakra that quickly..

Hashirama didn't go and capture all of the tailed beasts at one time...he slowly gathered and traded them in order to make peace. There was no real use mentioning the necklace...it was used to keep sealed beasts at bay after he subdued them with Mokuton...look at how it never did anything until Naruto reached a certain tail level.

That was because Yamato embedded the necklace with some sort of seal, which also gave him a notice, when it started to go up in amount of tails. This was due to the necklace. It was acting like a seal, which suppressed the kuybis chakra. So surely since it belonged to Hashirama, it could do some amplification to his ability, to suppress the tailed beasts.

And your Uchiha>Senju rational is only going to ignite flamming...if any Senju takes an Uchiha's eyes then the same result happens...also Who was there in the Uchiha clan back in the day that rivaled Hashirama other than Madara?! No one considering Izuna died. The Senju also produced Tobirama and Tsunade. A man said to be the best water stylistist in the Narutoverse (meaning surpassing Kisame) as well as developer of Edo tensei. Tsunade is IMO the greatest Medic in the Narutoverse.

Yeah I know bro, I just said that to ignite some flames intentionally, sorry xd

I can agree that a good deal of Hashirama is hype...but it isn't useless or faulty fanboy logic. If Madara says the only one who csn beat me is Hashirama, then Hashirama must be pretty darn strong for him to say so. Also it has already been said that Hashirama solo'd Madara and Kurama...the strongest Uchiha and Tailed beast.

Yeah, well given my explanation with the necklace that would help him a lot. Besides, after holding the kuybi, he would just need to release it from Madaras control.
Also just because Hashirama beat Madara , does that mean Hashi is stronger compared to other shinobi? There can be 1000 factors from some unknown old battle that could have been deciding factors. We all know that they were about equal, and probably the 2 strongest in their time. And in the Narutoverse, when number 1 fights number 2, anything can really happen.. Especially considering their type of jutsu.
The point is that it is just as hyped as many other things. The reason it is hyped, is because edo Madara is f*cking boss now, and thus Hashi fan boys are talking hashirama up to be much stronger. Obviously they are trolls or don't realize the difference.

My final note is don't be condescending when making threads. Comments like, "Stop the Hype, thanks," are just uncalled for and only make you look egotistical...

Yeah again, I just want to annoy some people, since lately a lot has been directly popping **** up Hashiramas ***. And given countless other shinobi (mainly Hiruzen) a smack in the face. Hiruzen is one of Kishis most important characters, and he basically taught us, what the foundation of the leaf is all about. The analogy from his battle with Oro to Narutos battle with Gaara proved, what Naruto is all about.
This is an opinion based forum, and surely you are entitled to your opinion about Hashirama being number 1, just like I am entitled to my believes.

 

[Fountain]

You called yamato a fodder >.>

 

[thegame]

You called yamato a fodder >.>

Yeah, but that isn't my fault. Kishi had him pretty neat and nice character, and he just "kills" him with such ease. Standard Kabuto, as we have seen him, till Kabuto attacked the turtle island, was good and foreseeing. Suddenly Kishi blows that part away, and lets Kabuto eat ham. The Yamato, who was with team 7, usually had used a bunshin to avoid something like that. The famous wood clone.

 

[ixc]

Yeah, I said it.

Surely Hashirama is probably the strongest shinobi, within newer time. But he is way too hyped. Madara describes him as a god, but obviously he would, when he got his ass whooped by him.

Usual comments:

"Hashirama can use all Madaras mokuton abilities"
No proof of that. Madara is in edo form. He can deplete his complete amount of chakra at once, and it will be restored. Surely Hashirama did not use jutsu on the same scale as Madara, well that is unless he fought 100s of enemies. Besides Madara is amplified by the special mix of hashi DNA + Uchiha DNA , surely he is levels above his old self, and probably also above Hashirama.

"Hashirama could control all the bijus"
Yeah, and Hashirama had a special necklace, which amplified his ability to suppress a biju. Obviously Madara without this necklace isn't Hashirama level, when it comes to stopping the Kuybi.

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And no Hashirama probably didn't take down all bijus at once... He surely had help.

"Hashirama DNA gives god-like powers"
No it doesn't. Look at Yamato, he is fodder. Hashirama DNA + Uchiha DNA = God like
So that basically puts Uchiha >>>>>> Senju , since all Senju has to offer is Hashirama? But it doesn't matter, which uchiha that takes it..

Stop the hype, thanks.

Finally someone who tells the truth. It's pretty obvious that the Uchiha are above the Senju. Hashirama is only hype, he was strong indeed but he's not the strongest anymore, ooh and i say that Naruto is all hype aswell, he's just a sad little **** who should be killed.

 

[VongolaX]

okay

 

[Klaves]

His hype is different then some others though. We have seen his DNA make people OP, and everything we saw from Yamato and Zetsu is a far cry from what he could actually do. Then you look at the techs Obito and Madara have been using that were his, and that he was able to defeat Madara and Kurama (suggesting he was alone). There was even the suggestion that he fought PS, so his hype is more well-founded then some others like Tobirama, Prime Hiruzen, and others.

I still say feats>hype, but technically Hashi does have feats shown from his DNA and past accomplishments. It's the hype that's like "he was the god of shinobi" that is frustrating because the manga flings around amazing praise and it's hard to tell if the information is biased, or simply a legend that people repeat without knowing about all of the other incredibly strong shinobi that are still up and coming or keep out of the spotlight.

 

[KamuiShiryu]

His hype is different then some others though. We have seen his DNA make people OP, and everything we saw from Yamato and Zetsu is a far cry from what he could actually do. Then you look at the techs Obito and Madara have been using that were his, and that he was able to defeat Madara and Kurama (suggesting he was alone). There was even the suggestion that he fought PS, so his hype is more well-founded then some others like Tobirama, Prime Hiruzen, and others.

I still say feats>hype, but technically Hashi does have feats shown from his DNA and past accomplishments. It's the hype that's like "he was the god of shinobi" that is frustrating because the manga flings around amazing praise and it's hard to tell if the information is biased, or simply a legend that people repeat without knowing about all of the other incredibly strong shinobi that are still up and coming or keep out of the spotlight.

guess we have to disagree cus if u haven't notice his dna only op people like the uchiha which makes sense cus they would have the eyes and now the body "dna" . they are almost like the s06p with both uchiha and senju DNA.... its kinda true look at Yamato he isn't anything special and zetsu clones are a joke even the K11 were destroying them like nothing..... so Senju DNA isn't really anythign special unless ur a uchiha..

second part hashirama beat EMS madara not edo Madara big differance even though most people dont see it but edo madara >>>>> then EMS madara you saw that gaara and onoki almost deafted edo madara when he was only using his EMS

wouldn't it be safe to assume that edo madara is creating large skills of hashirama techn. because of his unlimited chakra

so its kinda true hashirama is all hype with nothing to back it up only assumptions

now the third hokage is also all hype expect for the fact of him being able to seal- 2nd and 1st hokage

 

[Kyle Dimetri]

i really can't see how Hashirama (who has no sage mode) would beat an Uchiha of eternal mangekyou sharingan and perfect susanoo, controlling the nine tails fox and lots of chakra, guess its just plot no jutsu but in my opinion Madara seems stronger than Hashirama

 

[TheSages456]

hashirama beating madara is a feat not hype.
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[KamuiShiryu]

hashirama beating madara is a feat not hype.
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yes he beat EMS but do u know how stronge is really was "i'm not saying he was weak cus he wasnt" but we really dont know were in the power lvl scale he was with only EMS compared to his edo

 

[TheSages456]

yes he beat EMS but do u know how stronge is really was "i'm not saying he was weak cus he wasnt" but we really dont know were in the power lvl scale he was with only EMS compared to his edo

he still had perfect susano which is edo madaras full power. what are you implying?

 

[Klaves]

guess we have to disagree cus if u haven't notice his dna only op people like the uchiha which makes sense cus they would have the eyes and now the body "dna" . they are almost like the s06p with both uchiha and senju DNA.... its kinda true look at Yamato he isn't anything special and zetsu clones are a joke even the K11 were destroying them like nothing..... so Senju DNA isn't really anythign special unless ur a uchiha..

second part hashirama beat EMS madara not edo Madara big differance even though most people dont see it but edo madara >>>>> then EMS madara you saw that gaara and onoki almost deafted edo madara when he was only using his EMS

wouldn't it be safe to assume that edo madara is creating large skills of hashirama techn. because of his unlimited chakra

so its kinda true hashirama is all hype with nothing to back it up only assumptions

now the third hokage is also all hype expect for the fact of him being able to seal- 2nd and 1st hokage

So we shouldn't make assumptions about Hashi's hype, but we should assume Madara is creating techs or making them better than Hashi could himself? Zetsu's fighting was never the issue though, it's his abilities. It's not like that is all Hashi could do, it just shows their regeneration and other abilities were from his DNA. The DNA works better with the Uchiha of course because they put the eyes and body together, but the abilities of the Body are still impressive. We know Hashi has tons of chakra, amazing healing techs, and most probably everything Mokuton we have seen.

 

[KamuiShiryu]

he still had perfect susano which is edo madaras full power. what are you implying?

u dont know if he used perfect susano agaisnt 1st or not thats my whole point.. Tsunade implied that hashirama fougth it but lets face it she isnt' the most reliable person considering she wasn't there........

So we shouldn't make assumptions about Hashi's hype, but we should assume Madara is creating techs or making them better than Hashi could himself? Zetsu's fighting was never the issue though, it's his abilities. It's not like that is all Hashi could do, it just shows their regeneration and other abilities were from his DNA. The DNA works better with the Uchiha of course because they put the eyes and body together, but the abilities of the Body are still impressive. We know Hashi has tons of chakra, amazing healing techs, and most probably everything Mokuton we have seen.

i'm not saying u shouldn't assume. I'm just sayign when u assume u have to look at it both ways. Dont just look at whats going to benefit u in ur debate.. only thing that is safe to assume or things that kishi stated or has in his databooks cus after it its his words he is choosing what to put in his books and what not to

 

[TheSages456]

u dont know if he used perfect susano agaisnt 1st or not thats my whole point.. Tsunade implied that hashirama fougth it but lets face it she isnt' the most reliable person considering she wasn't there........



i'm not saying u shouldn't assume. I'm just sayign when u assume u have to look at it both ways. Dont just look at whats going to benefit u in ur debate.. only thing that is safe to assume or things that kishi stated or has in his databooks cus after it its his words he is choosing what to put in his books and what not to

madara doesnt deny it though and even supports it by saying that only hashirama can beat him.

 

[Bodyflicker2]

i know

 

[KamuiShiryu]

madara doesnt deny it though and even supports it by saying that only hashirama can beat him.

thats what i'm saying ur assuming but u can use it in a debate cus u dont know if its true or not........ mostly due to the fact that madara doesn't say he did and madara statment doesn't support he faced it.....ur crazy lol

 

[Mars500]

True

 

[Shinobigreat]

We know

 

[TheSages456]

thats what i'm saying ur assuming but u can use it in a debate cus u dont know if its true or not........ mostly due to the fact that madara doesn't say he did and madara statment doesn't support he faced it.....ur crazy lol

saying that only hashirama can beat him right after activating PS doesnt prove that he faced it? your in denial.

 

[genkai82]

I know right