SM Jiraiya vs EMS Sasuke

[Yashiro]

Jiraiya

 

[Strict]

No diff? I think that's underrating J-man, even if he doesn't start in SM. Honestly it wouldn't be too hard for J-man to get into SM with the help of his summons. Sasuke would have to burn a lot of chakra from the jump to cover summons that big in amaterasu or use Susano to take them out. He will no doubt land an arrow on one, but the other two are going to give him a struggle. Sasuke's hawk could also be taken out by the toads fairly easily since the hawk really has nothing but it's claws. And low-mid diff isn't really a stomp, it's not like J-man is fodder in comparison to Sasuke.

OT: Sasuke mid diff

Being in base, Jiraiya doesn't have realistic chances to avoid Sasukes Genjutsu, which have a level that can simply one shot Ninja of his level. Amaterasu is also an one hit k.o. by just looking at Jiraiya, Susanoo is the perfect shield and can beat Jiraiya with one arrow. The summons are actually no problem for Sasuke, his Blaze Release Magatama projectiles he shots with Susanoo, will simply one shot the summons. Sasuke can also control them with the Sharingan, in order to turn them against Jiraiya himself. The perfect control over Amaterasu gives Sasuke a lot of opportunities and benefits. He can hit the target with a single glance (normal Amaterasu), spam Blaze Release Magatama projectiles to hit a lot of targets at once and manipulate existing flames, by just casting one flame at the ground and expand and form it. He could even cover the entry battlefield if we consider, that a little flame created on the ground expanded to a large ring of fire instantly [

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]. This one little flame expanding to such a size is also a guarantee for him being able to prepare Kirin not only one time, since the flames will always produce enough heat to produce thunderclouds.

Naruto, being a perfect sage admitted inferiority to Sasuke, to the time he carried the Mangekyou Sharingan. Yet people are comparing an imperfect sage with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. Even if Jiraiya starts in Senninmode, he wouldn't stand much chances against Sasuke. Being in base, he doesn't stand a chance if I consider, that his summons were the only reason for him surviving against Chikushodo that long, summons which can be one shotted by Amaterasu and controlled by the Sharingan.

 

[shelke]

Being in base, Jiraiya doesn't have realistic chances to avoid Sasukes Genjutsu, which have a level that can simply one shot Ninja of his level. Amaterasu is also an one hit k.o. by just looking at Jiraiya, Susanoo is the perfect shield and can beat Jiraiya with one arrow. The summons are actually no problem for Sasuke, his Blaze Release Magatama projectiles he shots with Susanoo, will simply one shot the summons. Sasuke can also control them with the Sharingan, in order to turn them against Jiraiya himself. The perfect control over Amaterasu gives Sasuke a lot of opportunities and benefits. He can hit the target with a single glance (normal Amaterasu), spam Blaze Release Magatama projectiles to hit a lot of targets at once and manipulate existing flames, by just casting one flame at the ground and expand and form it. He could even cover the entry battlefield if we consider, that a little flame created on the ground expanded to a large ring of fire instantly [1]. This one little flame expanding to such a size is also a guarantee for him being able to prepare Kirin not only one time, since the flames will always produce enough heat to produce thunderclouds.

Naruto, being a perfect sage admitted inferiority to Sasuke, to the time he carried the Mangekyou Sharingan. Yet people are comparing an imperfect sage with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. Even if Jiraiya starts in Senninmode, he wouldn't stand much chances against Sasuke. Being in base, he doesn't stand a chance if I consider, that his summons were the only reason for him surviving against Chikushodo that long, summons which can be one shotted by Amaterasu and controlled by the Sharingan.

Perfect reply. + Rep

 

[Memoria]

Being in base, Jiraiya doesn't have realistic chances to avoid Sasukes Genjutsu, which have a level that can simply one shot Ninja of his level. Amaterasu is also an one hit k.o. by just looking at Jiraiya, Susanoo is the perfect shield and can beat Jiraiya with one arrow. The summons are actually no problem for Sasuke, his Blaze Release Magatama projectiles he shots with Susanoo, will simply one shot the summons. Sasuke can also control them with the Sharingan, in order to turn them against Jiraiya himself. The perfect control over Amaterasu gives Sasuke a lot of opportunities and benefits. He can hit the target with a single glance (normal Amaterasu), spam Blaze Release Magatama projectiles to hit a lot of targets at once and manipulate existing flames, by just casting one flame at the ground and expand and form it. He could even cover the entry battlefield if we consider, that a little flame created on the ground expanded to a large ring of fire instantly [

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]. This one little flame expanding to such a size is also a guarantee for him being able to prepare Kirin not only one time, since the flames will always produce enough heat to produce thunderclouds.

Naruto, being a perfect sage admitted inferiority to Sasuke, to the time he carried the Mangekyou Sharingan. Yet people are comparing an imperfect sage with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. Even if Jiraiya starts in Senninmode, he wouldn't stand much chances against Sasuke. Being in base, he doesn't stand a chance if I consider, that his summons were the only reason for him surviving against Chikushodo that long, summons which can be one shotted by Amaterasu and controlled by the Sharingan.

1.Sasuke did that by moving his direction in a circle with Amaterasu activated, which can be seen on Sasuke's panel, not that the little flame expanded by itself.

2.He didn't actually. Here is the Viz scan:

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I mostly agree with the rest.

OT: Sasuke would take this, as he is superior to Jiraiya in his current level.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You're ignoring the other factors such as, bleeding eyes, chakra buildup, intense pressure that's hardly ignorable, etc.
You seem to be confused how this jutsu works, allow me to help you with that:

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Tsunade's punches tore through a stronger form with ease. When have Tsunade's punches destroyed mountains?

Don't ignore obvious things and take into account everything else and maybe I'll take your posts more seriously.

eyes don't bleed in ems....and we have seen how quick sasuke pulls it out.
tsunade punched a ribcage susanno. still the weakest form.
your not saying how jman wins or counters susanno and amaterasu, and you must be taking my posts with some level of seriousness if you continue to reply.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You're ignoring the other factors such as, bleeding eyes, chakra buildup, intense pressure that's hardly ignorable, etc.
You seem to be confused how this jutsu works, allow me to help you with that:

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Tsunade's punches tore through a stronger form with ease. When have Tsunade's punches destroyed mountains?

Don't ignore obvious things and take into account everything else and maybe I'll take your posts more seriously.

jman's on top of the frog...... proving my point that summons always come to the vicinity of the the summoner. unless he's jumping to the sky the frog cannot land on sasuke.

 

[Joki]

eyes don't bleed in ems....and we have seen how quick sasuke pulls it out.
tsunade punched a ribcage susanno. still the weakest form.
your not saying how jman wins or counters susanno and amaterasu, and you must be taking my posts with some level of seriousness if you continue to reply.

chakra buildup, intense pressure that's hardly ignorable, etc.

Weakest form, then tell me how big of a gap Tsunade's punches and mountain busting is please. I'm dying to hear it.

jman's on top of the frog...... proving my point that summons always come to the vicinity of the the summoner. unless he's jumping to the sky the frog cannot land on sasuke.

Check every single time it's been used in the manga, then get back to me. Or rather why don't you post a panel of Jiraiya jumping up and using it? I'm dying to see it.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

chakra buildup, intense pressure that's hardly ignorable, etc.

Weakest form, then tell me how big of a gap Tsunade's punches and mountain busting is please. I'm dying to hear it.



Check every single time it's been used in the manga, then get back to me. Or rather why don't you post a panel of Jiraiya jumping up and using it? I'm dying to see it.

1) you say that as if that changes how long it takes. Sasuke does it in mere seconds.

2) there hasn't been an attack that has gotten through a full susanno.Period. Your speculating that jmans rasengan can break through it off the hype of it being capable to "hollow out mountains" even though it never preformed such a feat.

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his rasengan barely looks any bigger than narutos:

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3) when jman used the cart destroyer the first time he appeared above the toad he summoned leading me to conclude that all he did was summon it while he was in the air.(please show me some scans saying otherwise)
even when minato uses it you can clearly see him on top of the frog meaning he jumped over there then summoned the frog above kurama:

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4)if sasuke burns the summons there a hindrance to jman,(seeing how long it took him to seal the fire the first time)
if sasuke controls the summons they are enemies to jman. Nothing jman can do can save him or stop sasuke. take that hype somewhere else. Sasuke low diff.

 

[Joki]

1) you say that as if that changes how long it takes. Sasuke does it in mere seconds.

2) there hasn't been an attack that has gotten through a full susanno.Period. Your speculating that jmans rasengan can break through it off the hype of it being capable to "hollow out mountains" even though it never preformed such a feat.

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[BenjerminGaye]

I hope you know there's quiiiiiiiiite a lot of difference between a mountain buster and punches that make a crater for a couple meters in the ground. And "mere seconds"? Good, that'll work just great for a massively high kage level to make 2 handsigns to drop a 200 ton toad on Sasuke's head.

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. I have plenty more too, plenty more as in every single time it was used in the manga. Including yours. Can Kimimaro only use his bracken dance when buried 200 meters underground, too?

Still throwing that hype at me even though there is barley a difference between naruto's and jman's rasengan. they even have the same name.
Again naruto is on top of the frog.....lol it doesn't change anything in all 3 occasions the summoner is on top of the summoned . Proving my point even more.
jman looses. sorry bro you are the only one who seems to disagree.
Its not even a majority rule situation since we all gave reasonable reasons why. yet u say sasuke looses by getting crushed by a frog.

 

[Joki]

Still throwing that hype at me even though there is barley a difference between naruto's and jman's rasengan. they even have the same name.
Again naruto is on top of the frog.....lol it doesn't change anything in all 3 occasions the summoner is on top of the summoned . Proving my point even more.
jman looses. sorry bro you are the only one who seems to disagree.
Its not even a majority rule situation since we all gave reasonable reasons why. yet u say sasuke looses by getting crushed by a frog.

No, it's simply a valid tactic because apparently Sasuke will be busy trying to use Amaterasu. Lots of jutsus have the same names, too bad a clone of a clone's version of the non sage enhanced technique didn't get too far. So tell me again where Tsunade's punches have destroyed mountains?

If Jiraiya summons the frog and appears on top of it? That's fine, even more of a place where Sasuke can't get to him.

 

[genii96]

Ems sasuke us more powerful,but if j-man has those toads,then frog song would really screw sasuke.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No, it's simply a valid tactic because apparently Sasuke will be busy trying to use Amaterasu. Lots of jutsus have the same names, too bad a clone of a clone's version of the non sage enhanced technique didn't get too far. So tell me again where Tsunade's punches have destroyed mountains?

If Jiraiya summons the frog and appears on top of it? That's fine, even more of a place where Sasuke can't get to him.

we went over this already he cant just appear on top of the frog.-_-
tsunade's punches have never hollowed out mountains nor have they broken through a full susanno so there is no need to bring her up. Idk why you did it doesn't help your point.
Idk why you believe jman's rasengan can. he can only do it in sage mode and on top of that it takes time to go into sage mode. Time he doesn't have.

 

[genii96]

we went over this already he cant just appear on top of the frog.-_-
tsunade's punches have never hollowed out mountains nor have they broken through a full susanno so there is no need to bring her up. Idk why you did it doesn't help your point.
Idk why you believe jman's rasengan can. he can only do it in sage mode and on top of that it takes time to go into sage mode. Time he doesn't have.

well,not to come in between voth of you,but tsunade although dudnt destroy it, KO'D 2 complete susanoos at once,also once you make the summon seal under you,then automatically the giant summon is summoned underneath you,hence you are ontop of it. J-man's rasengan cant destroy a mountain,but can hallow it,i.e make a hole/crater in it,the after effects of a simple downward kick of tsunade destroyed 2 buildings so i am sure she can make a crater in a mountain.

J-man already starts in sm in this thread here,and since he is in sm,he has ma and pa on his shoulders.

Just cleariung uo a few things

 

[BenjerminGaye]

well,not to come in between voth of you,but tsunade although dudnt destroy it, KO'D 2 complete susanoos at once,also once you make the summon seal under you,then automatically the giant summon is summoned underneath you,hence you are ontop of it. J-man's rasengan cant destroy a mountain,but can hallow it,i.e make a hole/crater in it,the after effects of a simple downward kick of tsunade destroyed 2 buildings so i am sure she can make a crater in a mountain.

J-man already starts in sm in this thread here,and since he is in sm,he has ma and pa on his shoulders.

Just cleariung uo a few things

1)Idk how you ko a susanno but whatever. she didn't break through the skin all she did was knock it down.(still an impressive feat considering the fact that the others couldn't do it)
2) thats what I'm saying. he is saying that when jman summons his big frogs they automatically appear above sasuke's head which is impossible when every single time something was summoned its in the immediate vicinity of the user.
3) being in sage mode wont change anything. he is not fast enough to dodge sasuke's attacks.

 

[Joki]

we went over this already he cant just appear on top of the frog.-_-
tsunade's punches have never hollowed out mountains nor have they broken through a full susanno so there is no need to bring her up. Idk why you did it doesn't help your point.
Idk why you believe jman's rasengan can. he can only do it in sage mode and on top of that it takes time to go into sage mode. Time he doesn't have.

How vast of a difference in power is there, then? I feel that a punch that makes a small quake for a couple meters is vastly different from a mountain buster, thanks for admitting it.

1)Idk how you ko a susanno but whatever. she didn't break through the skin all she did was knock it down.(still an impressive feat considering the fact that the others couldn't do it)
2) thats what I'm saying. he is saying that when jman summons his big frogs they automatically appear above sasuke's head which is impossible when every single time something was summoned its in the immediate vicinity of the user.
3) being in sage mode wont change anything. he is not fast enough to dodge sasuke's attacks.

I don't think you realize this is a world where ninjas are using super powers. Of course they "automatically appear" on top, the frog gets summoned underneath them. Otherwise, we're getting into semantics, and they just instantly shunshin on top and no shinobi has ever countered the "shunshin from ground to appearing on top of the frog while it's falling in an instant" that for some reason is required to do despite the fact summoners can summon their animals from some range away. So Sasuke won't be reacting.

Seriously, I noticed you haven't posted any panel of it being used in the manga because it would prove you wrong. Like the Naruto one. Why was Naruto on the ground and then a nanosecond later he was on its head right as the jutsu was used instantly? Re-read the panels son.

 

[genii96]

1)Idk how you ko a susanno but whatever. she didn't break through the skin all she did was knock it down.(still an impressive feat considering the fact that the others couldn't do it)
2) thats what I'm saying. he is saying that when jman summons his big frogs they automatically appear above sasuke's head which is impossible when every single time something was summoned its in the immediate vicinity of the user.
3) being in sage mode wont change anything. he is not fast enough to dodge sasuke's attacks.

2) agreed,though i beleive he is talking abt ood cart destroyer tech,which indeed summons an animal right on top of the object/opponent,just like what minato did to kurama to make bunta sit on him

3) i was just reminding you that he starts in sm,since in your posts you said it would take time to enter sm.

 

[saw2097]

Sasuke would take this one if the EMS lives up to its hype.

 

[ninjabot]

Once again: why are we so sure the food cart destroyer is faster at hitting an opponent than Kirin? And why do we think it'll be strong enough to break through Susanoo?

 

[genii96]

Once again: why are we so sure the food cart destroyer is faster at hitting an opponent than Kirin? And why do we think it'll be strong enough to break through Susanoo?

do you read the manga at all?