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A lot of people here on the base are constantly saying that this and that character is all hype, blah blah blah; but do they understand why they are held in such high regard? Look at this vid in the link below...

In their battle Hashirama faced not just Madara but a Madara who had already taken his brother's eyes and had summoned the Kyuubi to the fray. Still he beat them with his prowess and skill.
Then you have Tobirama, the younger brother of Hashirama and the Second Hokage.

Tobirama was so powerful he could create a torrent of water without there being any water source. After the death of his brother it was he who filled the post of Hokage, and those are some pretty big shoes to fill. He would have to be a boss to be even considered and from what we know he was the only one chosen after his brother died for candidacy. And don't forget the dude freaking created water from the air around him! Eat your heart out jeebus, LOL!
Then you have Hiruzen.

To put his power into perspective let's examine his opponents in his final battle: Hashirama brought down Kyuubi and Madara while he was alive; Tobirama was the second strongest in the village after Hashirama himself; and Orochimaru was so skilled that he fought a four tailed Naruto in BM and survived while his arms were sealed making it impossible for him to be at full strength.
Hiruzen was called both the Professor and the God of Shinobi and seems to have overshadowed at the very least Tobirama in power. He was also the sensei of three of the most powerful shinobi in history, earning themselves their own special title and rank. Yeah the hype all right.
And what of the Sannin?
They are the embodiment of rock, paper, scissors and cancel one another out so to pit them against each other is pointless (Tsunade is rock, Jaraiya is paper, and Orochimaru is scissors IMO). They are the only known sages in Narutoverse at the moment besides NAruto himself.
There is no hype when it comes to these characters, the same way there isn't any hype when it comes to Sandaime Raikage, Sandaime Tsuchikage, Yondaime Minato, etc.
They're in a league of their own and should be taken out of top tens unless it is specifically a Kage/Sage top ten/twenty.
Wouldn't you all agree?
 

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Agree, but whenever theres logic and common sense, theres the opposite.
 

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Why did you use a youtube video from a game as proof? It's clearly not accurate, because Hashirama used a wood dragon to release the Kyuubi, not the way it was done in the video. And there is no proof that Tsunade is a sage, I don't know where you got that from.
 

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Agreed but the part with the third he did fight oro with his endo but with the things we seen now oro and endo would destroy him regardless he is still a beast.
 

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This is logical,
doesn't stop fanboys though
 

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That ruins the point of a top 10.

No that just makes it more difficult to pick the most OP character. Why would you have someone like Darui or Lee even mentioned with the likes of Muu and A?
Use that thing that's locked in your skull it's not that difficult really.
 

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Why did you use a youtube video from a game as proof? It's clearly not accurate, because Hashirama used a wood dragon to release the Kyuubi, not the way it was done in the video. And there is no proof that Tsunade is a sage, I don't know where you got that from.
Well the vid is from the anime at the part where Tobi/Obito is talking to Sasuke so yeah it kinda is proof. Also if Jaraiya was a Sannin, and Orochimaru was a Sannin and they are both Sages of the animal they summon common sense would say that Tsunade too is a Sage, duh...
 

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Well the vid is from the anime at the part where Tobi/Obito is talking to Sasuke so yeah it kinda is proof. Also if Jaraiya was a Sannin, and Orochimaru was a Sannin and they are both Sages of the animal they summon common sense would say that Tsunade too is a Sage, duh...

Common sense doesn't mean it's correct. There has no been proof to show that Tsunade has been a sage.

And the video is not from the anime, it's from a Naruto game. Or are you telling me that Hashirama extracted the Kyuubi the same way Yamato did even though Madara said that he lost control through the wood dragon?

 

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"Common sense doesn't mean it's correct...?" What do you think common sense is anyway?
Common sense tells me that if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, and acts like a duck it's a duck. Are you telling me that that doesn't apply to Tsunade?!
My life is a lie!!! Logic is trumped by fan-boyish opinion once more, LOL! Give me a ****ing break...
 

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"Common sense doesn't mean it's correct...?" What do you think common sense is anyway?
Common sense tells me that if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, and acts like a duck it's a duck. Are you telling me that that doesn't apply to Tsunade?!
My life is a lie!!! Logic is trumped by fan-boyish opinion once more, LOL! Give me a ****ing break...

I mean that just because Jiraiya and Orochimaru are sages, it doesn't mean Tsunade is one. Unless you can show me a manga scan for it, you got zero proof for it. And by common sense, I mean that because Jiraiya and Orochimaru are both Sannin and Sage, then naturally you would assume that Tsunade who is also a Sannin is a Sage. That's your logic right? Whilst it makes sense, it's not proof, because it hasn't actually been shown in the manga.

And how am I a fanboy? I am a fanboy because I said Tsunade isn't a Sage? And what would I be a fanboy of exactly?
 
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I mean that just because Jiraiya and Orochimaru are sages, it doesn't mean Tsunade is one. Unless you can show me a manga scan for it, you got zero proof for it. And by common sense, I mean that because Jiraiya and Orochimaru are both Sannin and Sage, then naturally you would assume that Tsunade who is also a Sannin is a Sage. That's your logic right? Whilst it makes sense, it's not proof, because it hasn't actually been shown in the manga.

And how am I a fanboy? I am a fanboy because I said Tsunade isn't a Sage? And what would I be a fanboy of exactly?

First off I didn't call you a fan-boy I said you have fan-boyish opinion.
Secondly it's not "my logic" it's logic plain and simple.
And lastly, if two Sannin are sages and there is a third who is the completion of the rock, paper, scissors symbolism that they represent why wouldn't you theorize, assume, and come to the conclusion that she is also a sage otherwise she couldn't be considered on their level, and FYI she is on that level.
 

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Straawhat supports this thread.
 

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sounds about right well put Uchiha Inza
 
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