Confusing Kamui

[PrettyFlacko]

There is that, but there is also no actual proof how much Chakra each eye takes. I have only tried to make this theory based on the fact Obito seems to have no limit on how many times he can use Kamui while Kakashi has around 3-5 shots of it and he has been shown to have somewhat of a big chakra pool.

You're forgetting the infamous senju cells.

 

[Kyuubibomb]

Kakashi would still have his head in the dimension then..

why would he? the whole thing kakashi looks at gets sent.

 

[Reynfall]

why would he? the whole thing kakashi looks at gets sent.

Deidara didn't get sent away; only his arm did.

My hypothesis is that if you focuses harder, less of what you're looking at gets sent away.

But, if you're not focusing as hard, more of the target gets sent away.

 

[Sanguis]

How much chakra do you think it takes to destroy and alter reality?

In Obito's case it doesn't look very much.

Amaterasu seems to take quite the toll on Chakra reserves.

Bending reality is less chakra consuming than Some flames that just burn things. Logic, much?

 

[Reynfall]

In Obito's case it doesn't look very much.

Amaterasu seems to take quite the toll on Chakra reserves.

Bending reality is less chakra consuming than Some flames that just burn things. Logic, much?

We'd have to ask Kishimoto about that.

 

[Kyuubibomb]

Deidara didn't get sent away; only his arm did.

My hypothesis is that if you focuses harder, less of what you're looking at gets sent away.

But, if you're not focusing as hard, more of the target gets sent away.

i can agree with that. or the other way round.

 

[Draphsin]

Then how did obito send shurikens flying out of his eyes.

oh im sorry i should clarify, so we've never seen kakashi use kamui in the kamui demension other than to warp himself, so maybe the eyes work similarly in the same dimension (either that or obito had shuriken prepared in advance which imo seem unlikely). Point is obito had over 16 years to do nothing but train his eye and work on his plan so dont you think in that time period he would have completely mastered his MS? Itachi/sasuke did with way less training than obito and without the aid of senju DNA so its obviously something he cant do, hence the defferent eye techniques

 

[Reynfall]

i can agree with that. or the other way round.

I don't think it can be the other way around.

Would you think that you need to barely focus in order to send away an inch-wide nail? (When Pain had Kakashi pinned down)

 

[Kyuubibomb]

I don't think it can be the other way around.

Would you think that you need to barely focus in order to send away an inch-wide nail? (When Pain had Kakashi pinned down)

hmmm i suppose your right.

 

[Draphsin]

Deidara didn't get sent away; only his arm did.

My hypothesis is that if you focuses harder, less of what you're looking at gets sent away.

But, if you're not focusing as hard, more of the target gets sent away.

You know what i agree with this too, but only applying to kakashi

 

[hatake89]

theyre both given the ability of teleportation(but i feel obito is the only one able to become intangible and ill explain why). kakashis is just through eyesight and purely for attack because everything that gets warped gets ripped or torn to shreds like a chunk is being taken out. Kakashis eye also being long range is a misconception, its just through his eye and whatevers in his line of sight gets kamui'd. Obitos on the other hand is through contact, therefore any part of obitos body is able to "warp" and become intangible because its all connected to his eye through contact. Thats why its almost second nature to him, because it all happens through contact. Kakashi cant send kamui things with with touch alone while obito cant kamui with his eyes. And think about the potential if he had both... Theoretically, obito would be able to make himself intangible while making his attacks tangible (ie. katon would travel from the kamui dimension to the real world via kakashis sharingan, while obito uses eye his to become intangible)


P.S. kakashis kamui has the opposite effect on people as obitos, so taking that into account, kakashi can warp people away from far distances (slowly) and warps himself fast. while obito warps himself himself slowly and people fast.

What that guy said!^^ its not confusing. Obito's eyes have the same ability but with different circumstances. Kakashi's MS can warp only with the power of sight, and Obito only with touch. It is possible to have the same power in both MS as both of Shisui's eyes had kotoamatsukami.

Another misconception is Obito cannot obtain susanoo as neither of his eyes contain amaterasu or tsukuyomi.

 

[PrettyFlacko]

oh im sorry i should clarify, so we've never seen kakashi use kamui in the kamui demension other than to warp himself, so maybe the eyes work similarly in the same dimension (either that or obito had shuriken prepared in advance which imo seem unlikely). Point is obito had over 16 years to do nothing but train his eye and work on his plan so dont you think in that time period he would have completely mastered his MS? Itachi/sasuke did with way less training than obito and without the aid of senju DNA so its obviously something he cant do, hence the defferent eye techniques

Then that would mean Kakashi's Kamui > Obito.

 

[Reynfall]

Another misconception is Obito cannot obtain susanoo as neither of his eyes contain amaterasu or tsukuyomi.

Doesn't every Mangekyou Sharingan have Amat, Tsuki, and Susanoo (when combined)?

I thought those 3 jutsu came along with the box when you get MS and every MS comes with its own unique ability

 

[PrettyFlacko]

What that guy said!^^ its not confusing. Obito's eyes have the same ability but with different circumstances. Kakashi's MS can warp only with the power of sight, and Obito only with touch. It is possible to have the same power in both MS as both of Shisui's eyes had kotoamatsukami.

Another misconception is Obito cannot obtain susanoo as neither of his eyes contain amaterasu or tsukuyomi.

Yes that does make sense how it explains the fact how kakashi can teleport himself between the dimesions but his power relies on sight right? then wouldn't his head be left behind?

 

[Kyuubibomb]

Doesn't every Mangekyou Sharingan have Amat, Tsuki, and Susanoo (when combined)?

I thought those 3 jutsu came along with the box when you get MS and every MS comes with its own unique ability

yes when both eyes are together they have amat, tsuki and susanoo. but because of obvious reasons obito's eyes do not. maybe if they where to come together they might have them.
also i do believe that kishi said it a data book that kamui can be learned to any MS with practice.

 

[Kyuubibomb]

Yes that does make sense but it doesn't explain the fact how kakashi can teleport himself between the dimesions. His power relies on sight right? then wouldn't head be left behind?

your answer is here.

if you focuses harder, less of what you're looking at gets sent away.

But, if you're not focusing as hard, more of the target gets sent away.

someone else said.

seems logical.

 

[PrettyFlacko]

your answer is here.

if you focuses harder, less of what you're looking at gets sent away.

But, if you're not focusing as hard, more of the target gets sent away.

someone else said.

seems logical.

So the nail pain flicked at kakashi required no focus?

 

[Kyuubibomb]

So the nail pain flicked at kakashi required no focus?

no more focus.

 

[PrettyFlacko]

no more focus.

i guess that makes sense. but kakashi being able to teleport is still a mystery how he did it without knowing how to and it was first try.

 

[Reynfall]

i guess that makes sense. but kakashi being able to teleport is still a mystery how he did it without knowing how to and it was first try.

Like I said earlier in the thread, he is learning how to use the eye better