how was Madara able to handle Yagura?

[binderr]

I couldnt find any thread like this, but I am pretty sure something has been made but anyway..

Its about the yagura - madara- thing.

I assume Madara put Yagura under a genjutsu.
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it was called the bloody mist here. We know that in yaguras bloody reign there you had to do mortal combat in order to graduate. This fits Madaras warrrior way of thinking, I guess Madara wanted to recruit members to what would be akatsuki. And, of course he arranged for the bloody mist ninja to make kakashi kill rin and whatever that was.

But my question is, how and when did he get to yagura? For Madara to put him under genjutsu he would first have to remove Isobu from him or it won't work. And we know that isobu was indeed roaming wild when tobi and deidara captured him (tobi probably knew exactly where to find him) So how could Madara seperate isobu from yagura? Did he 1:do it himself before he had to connect himself to gedo mazo, 2: or did he send zetzu to kidnap him in his sleep or 3: have a powerful ally. this powerful ally would have to be real powerful, given that yagura is kage-perfect jinhuuriki level.

Again, this thread has probably been made before, or at least something similar, but I couldnt find it.

thanks for iluminating this issue

 

[Ōkami]

that was Obito disguised a Madara

 

[Sage of Nature Creation]

It was Obito disguised as Madara as an order by Madara.

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

I guess ka

Only thing i can think of

 

[Crow.]

Just a thought but, could it be possible that Yagura was an Edo? Like he killed him by removing isobu and then turned him? I'm not sure if the jutsu had been progressed that far by then. But still it makes a bit of sense I think.

 

[TheBrightSide]

I guess ka

Only thing i can think of

Lol.
Edit: I actually think youre correct its just every post i see you make is about KA haha

 

[From the Dark Spire]

HAHAHAAHHA I don't KNOW?!!?

LOLOL!

 

[binderr]

that was Obito disguised a Madara

sorry I didnt explain it good enough what I meant. My point is that I think Madara got to yagura long before that, out of 2 reasons:

1: the whole yaguras "bloody" reign, fits madaras profile of being a warrior. in the mist when yagura ruled you had to fight to the death on graduation day. I think it was madara behind yagura back then.

2: the mist ninjas was involved in the whole Rin-Kakashi ordeal. So Im guessing this was under instruction of Madara/Yagura

so this leads to my question: how would madara seperate the isobu from him?

 

[binderr]

Just a thought but, could it be possible that Yagura was an Edo? Like he killed him by removing isobu and then turned him? I'm not sure if the jutsu had been progressed that far by then. But still it makes a bit of sense I think.

possibly thanks for feedback!

 

[Ōkami]

sorry I didnt explain it good enough what I meant. My point is that I think Madara got to yagura long before that, out of 2 reasons:

1: the whole yaguras "bloody" reign, fits madaras profile of being a warrior. in the mist when yagura ruled you had to fight to the death on graduation day. I think it was madara behind yagura back then.

2: the mist ninjas was involved in the whole Rin-Kakashi ordeal. So Im guessing this was under instruction of Madara/Yagura

so this leads to my question: how would madara seperate the isobu from him?

Madara couldn't have he was old and Attached to the Gazou it's like a mega respirator he couldn't have lugged that thing to the hidden mist cast a genjustu and walk back

 

[binderr]

I guess ka

Only thing i can think of

But then Madara would have to collaborate with Danzo?? anyway dont know if you were trolling or not, but.. xd

 

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[binderr]

Madara couldn't have he was old and Attached to the Gazou it's like a mega respirator he couldn't have lugged that thing to the hidden mist cast a genjustu and walk back

I know so Madara must have had an accomplice back then!
Or zetsu kidnapped him :shrug:

 

[TheBrightSide]

But then Madara would have to collaborate with Danzo?? anyway dont know if you were trolling or not, but.. xd

No Danzo knew Obito. He hepled him out with the Uchiha massacre. I actually think that he did it considering the Mizukage even made a statement about the genjutsu being used in the kage summit being like the genjutsu cast on Yagura

 

[JBandaa]

It's clear that Obito went there because of Rin situation. Maybe he wanted to find out why they wanted her so much? It'd be pretty interesting to know. I hope Kishi delivers.

 

[binderr]

No Danzo knew Obito. He hepled him out with the Uchiha massacre. I actually think that he did it considering the Mizukage even made a statement about the genjutsu being used in the kage summit being like the genjutsu cast on Yagura

Yes but obito doesnt fit the timeline here. I believe Yagura was controlled before obito came into the picture.

So danzo would have had to collaborate with madara. But what would danzo intentions be for this? And btw doesn't add up because danzo thought obito was madara after the kage summit.

edit: have you proof that danzo helped with the massacre btw?

 

[TheBrightSide]

Yes but obito doesnt fit the timeline here. I believe Yagura was controlled before obito came into the picture.

So danzo would have had to collaborate with madara. But what would danzo intentions be for this? And btw doesn't add up because danzo thought obito was madara after the kage summit.

edit: have you proof that danzo helped with the massacre btw?

To be honest i dont really feel like tracking through scans. I cant remember where it was said but Danzo has knowledge of Obito. He was just under the ruse that he was Madara also like everyone else. Remember he was aware of him at the kage summit in his fight with Sasuke?

 

[Animaeon]

I wouldn't be surprised if Madara was responsible for Rin's death... and I also like the idea of Madara having an accomplice that helped him with several tasks like the bloody mist or giving Nagato the Rinnegan. Someone like Kagami, which would also explain where Danzo's fear/disgust with the Uchiha clan came from (betrayed by an old teammate) and wouldn't even trust the Uchiha that had good intentions, like Shisui. Also could give us a small story behind the 'spare' sharingan Madara had in the flashbacks and perhaps the reason why Obito was "chosen" (like Zetsu said) was because he was Kagami's son or some shit like that (it's possible, Hiruzen and Kagami were the same age, as Asuma and Obito were)

(..... don't worry, I'll realize how farfetched this thing sounds in a hour or two)

 

[WhistleBlower]

i believe it was obito but even then how could a child uchiha be able to control a jinchuuriki of the sanbi...

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

First of all, how are you sure that Madara ever had any conection with the Hidden Mist? Cuz, the only one we have seen controlling Yagura was Obito. And with this, we have no idea who, how and when did separated Isobu from Yagura. :y

When we don't see any connections between Madara and the Hidden Mist, we know that he didn't control Yagura. Chapter 605 proves that the village was called the Bloody Mist before Yagura was under control -

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- read the last sentence of the Background section.

Madara didn't have to do anything with Akatsuki. Cuz, Akatsuki was created by Yahiko and Nagato and after Yahiko's death Obito started manipulating Nagato.