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[Fonkyomom]

Most of what Obito is said is true, as long as there are free thinking human beings with their own hopes, dreams, opinions and freedoms there will never be peace and that is the natural order of things. Not every animal can co exist, Lions will kill another Lion to protect his territory and pride just like a man would do, and just like a country would do. Now of course not every war waged has stemmed from noble causes because as humans we are flawed, and life simply isn't fair. Some will suffer more than others and it's extremely easy to have such negative views, to believe that the world is rotten and beyond salvation, it's easy to think that way because it's an excuse to not strive to make things better. Obito isn't evil, not by any means but to take away all of humanities reality, or freedom to put things in real world perspective is simply wrong, you can say it's justified but each one of you would rather live and die free than to live in a fake world, or basically be a puppet without the ability to think for themselves or have opinions because that is what it would take to have " peace ".

In my opinion those who choose to let the negative rule their thinking are the weak ones, the strong are the ones who strive to be better people in a mad world, those who strive to change the world for the better. People like Gandi, or even Bob Marley who believed that he could cure the world with music. If you're life sucks then just make it better, and don't cry to me saying it's not easy because life isn't easy, sure you could hate the world all your life and kill yourself, or decide to take as many people out with you before you go but that simply means you are not willing to actually do anything but complain about the world instead of putting forth the effort to make your life and or the world better.

In conclusion yes some of what Obito says has it's merit but he is weak, what the world really needs is more people like Naruto who are willing to constantly strive for peace and understand even with the realization that it's pretty much impossible, people like him in the real world are what makes the world a brighter place.

Hopefully the OP doesn't TL;DR this and I hope anyone else viewing this thread actually takes the time to read my post.

 

[sage1999]

There is always hope, small acts of kindness will overcome large acts of monstrosities

 

[NarutoMinato]

Well, human is a very complicated creature, can touch moral skies if handled properly and then can fall to depths if you ignore the nurturing. You will have to dig into the history and you will find the ups and downs in the curve of the human morality, also try to figure out the reasons. Yes, you are right that humans are falling very quickly and they will become worst, but for a certain time they will get back to normal (peace), obviously with sacrifices and efforts of certain someone.

 

[Akothari94]

what i think about this is tobi's words are true that this world is a shit but manipulating peoples mind with the help of infinite tsukoyomi is not the solution and second thing which bothers me the most is why tobi attacked konoha with the help of nine tails i know he needed nine tails for his plan but why he used summoning jutsu to destroy konoha he could have just walk away after getting nine tails.

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[sukyyb]

Yes, I would go nuts if everything that happened to him happened to me.
And I would probably want a dream world after suffering so much.
That doesn't make it right. He wants to take away everybody's right to act as they please. That's a basic human right.

 

[Tasco]

First of all, you can't say Obito and Naruto share the same view of peace. Naruto is trying to make it better by destroying the ones who want to destroy the world itself and those who are actually destroying peace, whilst Obito is trying to rule the world. Yeah, he's going to pull his plan off, get everyone into his world and then what: he obtains power, and what ever logic you use, only thing people with power want is more power. History has showed us this many times. Now, to the creator of the thread concretely: you had a tough life? Who didn't? Welcome to the real word. Stop trying to create some picture of you being a great martyr(I think it's spelled like this :shrug. I live in Bosnia, on the Balkan. Here, war ended about 16 years ago. I lost a great part of my family in it, including my brother, who was also saying that he was willing to give his life for "the good of the world". So he did. What did he get? A grave. What did I, my parents and everyone else who knew him get? His grave. My dad was wounded, he now can't work or do anything that requires physical power, my mom is working her **s of for a minimal salary, and I'm still visiting his grave. You say you can understand people through pain? What did this pain bring me? Hate. Nothing else. No compassion, no understanding, no nothing. Just pure hate. So stop talking nonsense. Life is as good as you make it to yourself. Diseases, poverty and everything else you and others named here have been around, and always will be. Only way you can make a difference is to work on yourself, and your family. It all starts in the head. One by one family, and then you have a whole block, then a town etc... No great philosophy, no great sacrifices, just pure logic U_U

 

[smokesup]

I think Saske, Obito, and Nagato should have started an emo band, "Chains of Hatred" and they could have toured the world getting all the depressed young people as fans. He could have risen to power that way and put them in genjutsu with his music. Or maybe Obito would get so many young female fans he would become all full of himself and forget about his plan and just get rich and lazy. And then maybe he would think he was more talented then the other two and the band would start fighting amongst themselves and have an epic battle. And maybe he would leave and start his own project with some edo tensei backup singers so they never tried to hog all the spotlight. Woah....or maybe like a boy band or something?

Girl my love for yous like a jutsu
bursting through, you're body rocks
hotter then a nine tailed fox
Oh baby you know what I want to do to you
but that thought I keep hidden,
if it was a jutsu it would be forbidden

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Yeah, Obito is the "negative" naruto. What could have happened if he wasn't steered in the right direction. For Obito, it was the pain of losing someone you love. Rin was his "light" if you will, and after losing himself he didn't that that person who could be his voice of reason/stability. I thought it was symbolic when he was crushed under the rock holding Rin's hand, and then he told her to hurry and escape when meant he let go of his "light", his "hope". For naruto last chapter proved the prophecy of the old toad sage, he had a decision and obito almost talk no jutsu'd him which makes him exactly like naruto, they both can be somewhat convincing & inspiring. Naruto was waken up by hinata, who's name means "sunny place", so she's his light, and instead of forgetting the hand, he grabbed the "light" & the "hope" which was hinata's hand.

Basically, Kishi is saying we can do either of two things. Submit and be weighed down by the world, or we can grab a hold of the light, the hope no matter how small it might be. Things in the world are bad, but the thing is, that things can be better, and it's a good start. It begins with us. Lol sorry for the long analysis, just my thoughts.

i agree with you

 

[Hikari Uchiha Senju]

Obito is actually an honest and delicat person, thats why no1 in narutoverse understands him... (actualy maybe Naruto himself does a bit)

 

[βeeCee]

Most of what Obito is said is true, as long as there are free thinking human beings with their own hopes, dreams, opinions and freedoms there will never be peace and that is the natural order of things. Not every animal can co exist, Lions will kill another Lion to protect his territory and pride just like a man would do, and just like a country would do. Now of course not every war waged has stemmed from noble causes because as humans we are flawed, and life simply isn't fair. Some will suffer more than others and it's extremely easy to have such negative views, to believe that the world is rotten and beyond salvation, it's easy to think that way because it's an excuse to not strive to make things better. Obito isn't evil, not by any means but to take away all of humanities reality, or freedom to put things in real world perspective is simply wrong, you can say it's justified but each one of you would rather live and die free than to live in a fake world, or basically be a puppet without the ability to think for themselves or have opinions because that is what it would take to have " peace ".

In my opinion those who choose to let the negative rule their thinking are the weak ones, the strong are the ones who strive to be better people in a mad world, those who strive to change the world for the better. People like Gandi, or even Bob Marley who believed that he could cure the world with music. If you're life sucks then just make it better, and don't cry to me saying it's not easy because life isn't easy, sure you could hate the world all your life and kill yourself, or decide to take as many people out with you before you go but that simply means you are not willing to actually do anything but complain about the world instead of putting forth the effort to make your life and or the world better.

In conclusion yes some of what Obito says has it's merit but he is weak, what the world really needs is more people like Naruto who are willing to constantly strive for peace and understand even with the realization that it's pretty much impossible, people like him in the real world are what makes the world a brighter place.

Hopefully the OP doesn't TL;DR this and I hope anyone else viewing this thread actually takes the time to read my post.

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[UncleSi]

I feel bad reading some of these replies, because even though the standards of humanity are slipping we can still save it society has dictated that we go with the flow and just complain about everything instead of fixing it!! There are good and just people left in the world we just need to count on these people and hope we can change the way this world is going!! Good things happen everyday just like bad things only the media will not put this on the news because people like drama and chaos.....(the naruto universe is a direct representitive of the ugly in the world and the good in the world Obito is a smart man who is lazy and thinks its easier to be tricked into bliss instead of actually working for it like naruto is)

 

[Coderack]

Obito in my opinion is a better villain than Madara because his motives are justified. Our society and we, as individuals are like the Shinobi before they formed the Alliance: Trash. Do I consider my self trash ? I never thought about it, maybe I refused to do it but if I were asked, I would answer that I really am sometimes, but in general I don't know.
Obito is the main reason the Shinobi are UNIFIED as humans, not as just a group. Nagato had the same goal as him before he met Naruto, but Madara didn't. I'm sorry if Madara fans are offended but the true immature villain in Naruto series is Madara and I don't need to explain why, the manga speaks for itself. Also the "Because you let Rin die." statement means something else than most of you think. Infinite Tsukuyomi is a childish goal to accomplish because he would live with a not real Rin in that illusion ? Do we not live in a illusion too ? What's the difference between Infinite Tsukuyomi and our Illusionary World that we live in every single day ? In the Infinite Tsukuyomi we don't suffer, we are not physically or emotionally hurt, everyone is a winner like Madara said, our World is more brutal than Obito's but, the truth is that I don't want to live none of those Illusionary Worlds.
People realize what they lost just when they lost everything. Obito is a great character with a great story, I agree with what he says, I admit that I wouldn't like to be a part of his Tsukuyomi and that such goals sometimes really need to be accomplished in order to open the mind of the people but there are other ways too and one thing is clear for me: You can't blame Obito for anything that he did.

 

[manish]

(Y)...exactly...I cant say about the world...but wat i have always found true is that nothing will change if u are not willing to. There is always good and bad ...all is never good neither all is bad...in the end its wat u choose to be.
Personal values is wat adds up and finally make the world...may it be good or bad. I hope I am able to explain myself here.

Yeah, Obito is the "negative" naruto. What could have happened if he wasn't steered in the right direction. For Obito, it was the pain of losing someone you love. Rin was his "light" if you will, and after losing himself he didn't that that person who could be his voice of reason/stability. I thought it was symbolic when he was crushed under the rock holding Rin's hand, and then he told her to hurry and escape when meant he let go of his "light", his "hope". For naruto last chapter proved the prophecy of the old toad sage, he had a decision and obito almost talk no jutsu'd him which makes him exactly like naruto, they both can be somewhat convincing & inspiring. Naruto was waken up by hinata, who's name means "sunny place", so she's his light, and instead of forgetting the hand, he grabbed the "light" & the "hope" which was hinata's hand.

Basically, Kishi is saying we can do either of two things. Submit and be weighed down by the world, or we can grab a hold of the light, the hope no matter how small it might be. Things in the world are bad, but the thing is, that things can be better, and it's a good start. It begins with us. Lol sorry for the long analysis, just my thoughts.

 

[StraawHat]

Yea some this world will be a living hell!




Unless someone gets the rinnegan, beats a big monster and goes about teaching people new and cool techniques

SOuds easy enough

 

[StraawHat]

Yeah, the world's not getting any better really.


It's hard to come up with solutions and answers to some things... Which is why people choose one that may be deemed as ambitious by others... Mhmm...

Yes that is very true, but the main aspect of the problem is the fact that we as people judge others solely for their actios and not the reason they deemed such action a good idea

 

[StraawHat]

Obito in my opinion is a better villain than Madara because his motives are justified. Our society and we, as individuals are like the Shinobi before they formed the Alliance: Trash. Do I consider my self trash ? I never thought about it, maybe I refused to do it but if I were asked, I would answer that I really am sometimes, but in general I don't know.
Obito is the main reason the Shinobi are UNIFIED as humans, not as just a group. Nagato had the same goal as him before he met Naruto, but Madara didn't. I'm sorry if Madara fans are offended but the true immature villain in Naruto series is Madara and I don't need to explain why, the manga speaks for itself. Also the "Because you let Rin die." statement means something else than most of you think. Infinite Tsukuyomi is a childish goal to accomplish because he would live with a not real Rin in that illusion ? Do we not live in a illusion too ? What's the difference between Infinite Tsukuyomi and our Illusionary World that we live in every single day ? In the Infinite Tsukuyomi we don't suffer, we are not physically or emotionally hurt, everyone is a winner like Madara said, our World is more brutal than Obito's but, the truth is that I don't want to live none of those Illusionary Worlds.
People realize what they lost just when they lost everything. Obito is a great character with a great story, I agree with what he says, I admit that I wouldn't like to be a part of his Tsukuyomi and that such goals sometimes really need to be accomplished in order to open the mind of the people but there are other ways too and one thing is clear for me: You can't blame Obito for anything that he did.

I generally agree with what you are trying to say

 

[StraawHat]

I feel bad reading some of these replies, because even though the standards of humanity are slipping we can still save it society has dictated that we go with the flow and just complain about everything instead of fixing it!! There are good and just people left in the world we just need to count on these people and hope we can change the way this world is going!! Good things happen everyday just like bad things only the media will not put this on the news because people like drama and chaos.....(the naruto universe is a direct representitive of the ugly in the world and the good in the world Obito is a smart man who is lazy and thinks its easier to be tricked into bliss instead of actually working for it like naruto is)

That may be true in some aspects but if you also look at it symbolically, Obito represents the bad in our world, while naruto represents the hope, as you see Naruto at one point almost gives into obito's words which is reflected into our modern society as people often give into the corruption because it's easier to accept and everyone thinks they have no choice, it is not until we all realise that we are all going through it together that we can truly be united, I don't think Obito's plan is simply just to create an illusionary peace, because whether he wins or loses he will win as an end result and I believe he is fully aware of this

 

[StraawHat]

I think Saske, Obito, and Nagato should have started an emo band, "Chains of Hatred" and they could have toured the world getting all the depressed young people as fans. He could have risen to power that way and put them in genjutsu with his music. Or maybe Obito would get so many young female fans he would become all full of himself and forget about his plan and just get rich and lazy. And then maybe he would think he was more talented then the other two and the band would start fighting amongst themselves and have an epic battle. And maybe he would leave and start his own project with some edo tensei backup singers so they never tried to hog all the spotlight. Woah....or maybe like a boy band or something?

Girl my love for yous like a jutsu
bursting through, you're body rocks
hotter then a nine tailed fox
Oh baby you know what I want to do to you
but that thought I keep hidden,
if it was a jutsu it would be forbidden

LOL

 

[StraawHat]

First of all, you can't say Obito and Naruto share the same view of peace. Naruto is trying to make it better by destroying the ones who want to destroy the world itself and those who are actually destroying peace, whilst Obito is trying to rule the world. Yeah, he's going to pull his plan off, get everyone into his world and then what: he obtains power, and what ever logic you use, only thing people with power want is more power. History has showed us this many times. Now, to the creator of the thread concretely: you had a tough life? Who didn't? Welcome to the real word. Stop trying to create some picture of you being a great martyr(I think it's spelled like this :shrug. I live in Bosnia, on the Balkan. Here, war ended about 16 years ago. I lost a great part of my family in it, including my brother, who was also saying that he was willing to give his life for "the good of the world". So he did. What did he get? A grave. What did I, my parents and everyone else who knew him get? His grave. My dad was wounded, he now can't work or do anything that requires physical power, my mom is working her **s of for a minimal salary, and I'm still visiting his grave. You say you can understand people through pain? What did this pain bring me? Hate. Nothing else. No compassion, no understanding, no nothing. Just pure hate. So stop talking nonsense. Life is as good as you make it to yourself. Diseases, poverty and everything else you and others named here have been around, and always will be. Only way you can make a difference is to work on yourself, and your family. It all starts in the head. One by one family, and then you have a whole block, then a town etc... No great philosophy, no great sacrifices, just pure logic U_U

While I appreciate what it is you're trying to say, I do not appreciate the disrespect that you are showing me. The reason I am the way I am today is because of the life that I've had to live, I do not want others to go through what I had to endure as everyday life. I'm not making myself out to be some form of martyr I'm simply saying that if I had to lay down my life to accomplish my dream then I will have no second thoughts about doing so because that dream is what has kept me going all my life and it's what keeps me going to day, I take direct offence to that because you are mocking my dream which I view as you mocking my being as a person because my dream is what defines me as a person. You can understand others through pain because when you meet someone who has felt the exact same pain as you then you feel you are able to relate better to them because they understand what it is you're going through, you should not hate what has happened to your brother, but in fact be proud that you are alive today to carry on living not for only you, but for the both of them, he died doing what he thought was right and you feeling hate is simply dishonoring his memory. If you don't feel compassion and understanding then you have simply become one of the people who care not for the fate of our world and is simply interested in his own well being, what you're feeling is not only hatred towards others, it's hatred towards yourself because you know in your heart you feel powerless and like you can't make a difference to protect and help the ones around you, that is why you hate. You say I am talking nonsense when what you have just said is partially on the course of what I have been stating over and are simply trying to hide the fact that you truly know that you agree with me. If you had read the hardships that I had endured then you would understand me more because we have both felt the pain of loss, but I see you are also unwilling to listen to the story of another who is trying to make the world a better place for people like you. Thank you for your comment and time.

 

[StraawHat]

Yes, I would go nuts if everything that happened to him happened to me.
And I would probably want a dream world after suffering so much.
That doesn't make it right. He wants to take away everybody's right to act as they please. That's a basic human right.

Yes you are right in that him taking everyone's rights and ability to be themselves is not a good idea but I do not truly believe that the eye of the moon plan is actually Obito's true intentions and they are simply Madara's