Obama just spoke live on T.V.

[slaton02]

Obama has something on the table that is better than going off the cliff and if they don't want to pass (like everything else) who fault is it? Your info is inaccurate and taxing the rich can effect some but not most and it better to do this than have everyones taxs go up. He has a balance budget plan but the problem some have with it is they think it's not much of a surplus to make a difference. Republican hated Obama from day one and said they wouldn't pass abything he comes up with so he could be a 1 term president(fact). I would hope now that he has been re-elected they would co-operate but it doesnt't look like it.

Obama has been open to offers and chnge from taxing people that make over 250,000$ a year to 400,000$ a year and they still said no and wanted it to be no less than 1,000,000$ a year. Why would I blame Obama for something he can not do because a certain party hates his guts?

 

['Nāpalm]

Obama is not good, I mean you would think that it would be enough that the Fiscal Cliff expires... I mean stop complaining :shrug: President Bush is out of office and people still talking about him. Its not him anymore its Obama whose faltering. Yes Bush was a really bad President but he can't keep blaming him for everything, he blames him from the Economy sucking to his toilet leaking. He is got to take some responsibilities. Yes I'am not an Obama fan at all... and I would prefer Clinton, Ron Paul, and Reagan over him any day. Electing him was mistake and yes Mitt Romney would have been another mistake but I would place my money on him because Obama already had a chance.

 

[Sasuke082594]

Bottom line is Obama is just going to use a method that may only benefit for a week or so then things will get worse. What does it even matter? Romney was going to f**k us over as well anyways.

 

[Unbiased]

Obama has something on the table that is better than going off the cliff and if they don't want to pass (like everything else) who fault is it? Your info is inaccurate and taxing the rich can effect some but not most and it better to do this than have everyones taxs go up. He has a balance budget plan but the problem some have with it is they think it's not much of a surplus to make a difference. Republican hated Obama from day one and said they wouldn't pass abything he comes up with so he could be a 1 term president(fact). I would hope now that he has been re-elected they would co-operate but it doesnt't look like it.

Like I said prior, debating with you is pointless. You lack an understanding on the situation and do not look at it from every side.

Bottom line is Obama is just going to use a method that may only benefit for a week or so then things will get worse. What does it even matter? Romney was going to f**k us over as well anyways.

The sad thing is, Americans voted for in a president 4 times that passed a bill limiting your rights as an American citizen. Nobody wanted to vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. Bottom line is America is getting what it deserves.

 

[Robot Boy]

Obama is not good, I mean you would think that it would be enough that the Fiscal Cliff expires... I mean stop complaining :shrug: President Bush is out of office and people still talking about him. Its not him anymore its Obama whose faltering. Yes Bush was a really bad President but he can't keep blaming him for everything, he blames him from the Economy sucking to his toilet leaking. He is got to take some responsibilities. Yes I'am not an Obama fan at all... and I would prefer Clinton, Ron Paul, and Reagan over him any day. Electing him was mistake and yes Mitt Romney would have been another mistake but I would place my money on him because Obama already had a chance.

Indeed.

 

[Sasuke082594]

Like I said prior, debating with you is pointless. You lack an understanding on the situation and do not look at it from every side.



The sad thing is, Americans voted for a president that passed a bill limiting your rights as an American citizen. Nobody wanted to vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. Bottom line is America is getting what it deserves.

True, so true. I also believe Presidency has succumbed to a popularity contest. Which in my belief.. Our country is f**ked.

 

[Unbiased]

True, so true. I also believe Presidency has succumbed to a popularity contest. Which in my belief.. Our country is f**ked.

When you rob peter to pay paul, you will always have paul's vote. When you give government benefits to people who do not deserve them or run the system, you will always have their votes.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Isn't it actually households making over $250,000 not businesses? Don't know about you but a quarter million a year is pretty significant. You won't get a lot of sympathy from me come election time if you tell me you decided to hold your ground and effectively raised my tax rate because you were protecting folks at that income level. Your ideas of trickle down economy neglect the fact that the trickle down is not stimulating our economy. Those jobs are going offshore, so explain to me why should I feel sorry for a guy that makes that kinda dough who is only in it for himself? Two tears in a bucket pal.

 

[Sasuke082594]

When you rob peter to pay paul, you will always have paul's vote. When you give government benefits to people who do not deserve them or run the system, you will always have their votes.

I've noticed that significantly during Obama's Presidency.

 

[slaton02]

Like I said prior, debating with you is pointless. You lack an understanding on the situation and do not look at it from every side.
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I am looking at it on both sides and even said his new plan will only help a little and that what some people have a problem with, but the fact that is better than going off the cliff and will only affect 1% of the country republicans still don't want it. They hate the man period! Everyone knows this and sometimes Obama's plans were good and they still didn't pass it soley on not liking him.

 

[Unbiased]

Isn't it actually households making over $250,000 not businesses? Don't know about you but a quarter million a year is pretty significant. You won't get a lot of sympathy from me come election time if you tell me you decided to hold your ground and effectively raised my tax rate because you were protecting folks at that income level. Your ideas of trickle down economy neglect the fact that the trickle down is not stimulating our economy. Those jobs are going offshore, so explain to me why should I feel sorry for a guy that makes that kinda dough who is only in it for himself? Two tears in a bucket pal.

What would taxing those making 250,000 + a year do when it can only sustain the government for 8 days?

Like I said prior, debating with you is pointless. You lack an understanding on the situation and do not look at it from every side.
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I am looking at it on both sides and even said his new plan will only help a little and that what some people have a problem with, but the fact that is better than going off the cliff and will only affect 1% of the country republicans still don't want it. They hate the man period! Everyone knows this and sometimes Obama's plans were good and they still didn't pass it soley on not liking him.

The budget cuts, and less spending will result from going over the cliff. Obama has spent the last 4 years spending way over the budget and taking out loans in every American citizens name without their permission (that's what stimulus is). So again overspending will not stop this issue(let alone help it) as the democrats/republicans have been doing.

 

[Sasuke082594]

Isn't it actually households making over $250,000 not businesses? Don't know about you but a quarter million a year is pretty significant. You won't get a lot of sympathy from me come election time if you tell me you decided to hold your ground and effectively raised my tax rate because you were protecting folks at that income level. Your ideas of trickle down economy neglect the fact that the trickle down is not stimulating our economy. Those jobs are going offshore, so explain to me why should I feel sorry for a guy that makes that kinda dough who is only in it for himself? Two tears in a bucket pal.

I agree with you but still it is only a temp solution that will ultimately make things worse.

 

[Naruto N Uzumaki]

Didn't read.

When I first heard of the fiscal cliff, I immediately knew it was going to happen.

Am I right is it going to happen or did they reach a deal?

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

Where do people get their info from?

 

[Unbiased]

Didn't read.

When I first heard of the fiscal cliff, I immediately knew it was going to happen.

Am I right is it going to happen or did they reach a deal?

I'd bet the computer I'm using they will not reach a deal. If they do reach a deal we will be the ones taking it in the rear end.

Where do people get their info from?

Info pertaining to what?

 

[slaton02]

True, so true. I also believe Presidency has succumbed to a popularity contest. Which in my belief.. Our country is f**ked.

If tht was the cse Bush would have never been President

What would taxing those making 250,000 + a year do when it can only sustain the government for 8 days?

You obviously don't know Obama's plan.

The budget cuts, and less spending will result form going over the cliff. Obama has spent the last 4 years spending way over the budget and taking out loans in every American citizens name without their permission (that's what stimulus is). So again overspending will not stop this issue as the democrats/republicans have been doing.

the first 4 year was spent fixing Bushes BS, Clinton had this country good on a big surplus Bush f***ed it up 10 fold, and not only that when Obama had plans to cut the debate by over a trillion$ they shot it down instantly.

Obama is President they need to get over the sh*t and let him be President they passed Bush's sh**ty plans that got us here in the first place yet they can't allow Obama to even try and fix. So wtf does he have to do?

 

[Gyakusetsu]

I agree with you but still it is only a temp solution that will ultimately make things worse.

Well then let's talk about wealth redistribution. Is it appropriate for the top 1% to control over 40% of the countries wealth and for the next 19% to own over 45%?

 

[Unbiased]

the first 4 year was spent fixing Bushes BS, Clinton had this country good on a big surplus Bush f***ed it up 10 fold, and not only that when Obama had plans to cut the debate by over a trillion$ they shot it down instantly.

Obama is President they need to get over the sh*t and let him be President they passed Bush's sh**ty plans that got us here in the first place yet they can't allow Obama to even try and fix. So wtf does he have to do?

The irony of your statement is Obama didn't fix the economy. If it was fixed Bernanke would not be injecting 40,000,000,000,00 fresh printed dollars into the economy to keep it from receding again. Furthermore Obama has shown the inability to lead from a bad situation so his credibility is lower. Even more so he passed a law allowing due process for all Americans citizens to be indefinitely detained without due process based on suspicion. Even greater then that he just used an executive order to increase the salaries of himself, joe biden, and congress while we're in a fiscal cliff. So his "attempt" on fixing bush's nonsense was a complete failure. If it had worked like he said, the unemployment would be 5.5 like he stated in his 2008 election and the federal reserve would not be printing money to inject into the economy.

Well then let's talk about wealth redistribution. Is it appropriate for the top 1% to control over 40% of the countries wealth and for the next 19% to own over 45%?

The top1% aren't even going to feel the affects from the taxation. They own the majority of the worlds wealth. So it's not a bad idea, however Obama thinks it will solve all the problems when we as citizens understand it will not.

 

[slaton02]

The irony of your statement is Obama didn't fix the economy. If it was fixed Bernanke would not be injecting 40,000,000,000,00 fresh printed dollars into the economy to keep it from receding again. Furthermore Obama has shown the inability to lead from a bad situation so his credibility is lower. Even more so he passed a law allowing due process for all Americans citizens to be indefinitely detained without due process based on suspicion. Even greater then that he just used an executive order to increase the salaries of himself, joe biden, and congress while we're in a fiscal cliff. So his "attempt" on fixing bush's nonsense was a complete failure. If it had worked like he said, the unemployment would be 5.5 like he stated in his 2008 election and the federal reserve would not be printing money to inject into the economy.



The top1% aren't even going to feel the affects from the taxation. They own the majority of the worlds wealth. So it's not a bad idea, however Obama thinks it will solve all the problems when we as citizens understand it will not.

He thought he could fix it(which he could have) but he didn't account for republicans hating him and not passing his bills that would have had the unemployment down. Obama has put his own money into the economy so him increasing his salary is not a big deal.

 

[Unbiased]

He thought he could fix it(which he could have) but he didn't account for republicans hating him and not passing his bills that would have had the unemployment down. Obama has put his own money into the economy so him increasing his salary is not a big deal.

It is a big deal increasing his salary. That's my money along with every other employed Americans. He increased the salary of congress, joe biden, and himself. Furthermore the democrats were in control during his term. They took control in 2007.