Gaara vs EMS Sasuke

[genii96]

@Genji Sasuke's incomplete Sussano was a much better defense than Gaara's. The team pulled Madara out of an incomplete sussano to expose him to Naruto's sage arts, and Gaara himself said that Naruto's attack would be virtually useless against it. This means, Gaara needs extremely high level attacks to even scratch CS, let alone the one inside Kagatsuchi. Just accpet it, Gaara couldn't even scratch Sasuke along with four other jouins and if I include A and his jounins it makes three more people. He couldn't hurt him then, but now he does?

I really don't understand your relentlessness. Sasuke is tiers above Gaara, and the manga proves it. Also if Gaara can reach Madara from under sussano, why the hell did he pull him out of it with Onoki's help? This doesn't make any sense to me. And Sussano has a hole underneath it? Any proof?

incomplete susanoo is a better defence than gaara's sand?,could hs incomplete susanoo protect him from 5 complete susanoo attacks,gaara blocked c3,can his incomplete susanoo take that?. Naruto said gaara had the best defence,which includes sasuke's susanoo as well.

Gaara attacked with sand drizzle,and he aimed for ribcage,not incomplete version.

Gaara said phyiscal attacks wouldnt breach it,but his sand going underneath could,his sand was strong enough to completely restrain madara's susanoo and then pull him out.

Onoki lightened the sand around him,he used the sand around madara to pull him out.

Sasuke's feet touch the ground when inside his susanoo,the fact that it has an underside is well known,it forms around the user,how does the user walk when he is in susanoo?,how did itachi walk towards oro?,that was the weakness gaara saw when he brought out his susanoo.

Gaara's sand protected him from a meteor,sasuke's susanoo would simply be buried in heaps of sand. Manga proves that sasuke's ems just grants him better use of his ms jutsus with less chakra strain,gaara in a desert is a tier above sasuke,his chakra is way above sasuke's,infact his chakra in the second databook surpass sasuke's in the 3rd one,his dad thought he as a bijuu attacking when he used a sand tsunami,

how is sasuke surviving this under him?

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he did that in one wave,how does sasuke hurt him?.he has way mre chakra and can spam sand attacks on sasuke,his air sand protective wall was able to tank c3,which is far stronger than his susanoo.

You have no way to say how sasuke even hurts let alone bats him in a dessert. He cant outast him,cant pressure him,cant match him in raw power,his every step is on gaara's playground.

Sasuke cant beat gaara in a dessert.

 

[shelke]

^ Believe whatever you want. I am done with this discussion. All of my points still hold as yours just deal with assumptions.

 

[genii96]

^ Believe whatever you want. I am done with this discussion. All of my points still hold as yours just deal with assumptions.

look whose talking,you say incomplete susanoo is above gaara's sand,yet he blocked c3 at the beginning of shippuden,something that even his final susanoo cant do. His sand was strong enough to pn down even madara's incomplete susanoo which is far above sasuke's version. Naruto said gaara had the best defence.

I showed you scans of what gaara can do in one panel,yet you have no answer,you say gaara cant attack from underneath,when sasuke's feet is basically touching the sand. You say sasuke is tiers above gaara,yet cant say how he hurts him at all.

I counter everything you have and you say they are assumptions?. Beleive what you want,if you cant say how sasuke wins,or even survives these

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then there is no discussion.

 

[shelke]

^ Since you are relentless, okay.

- Prove it that Madara's incomplete Sussano is above Sasuke. Any manga page will do. This point of yours shows how laughably poor your manga knowledge is. Secondly, your ABC logic is tactless here, he blocked C3, so that proves what?

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- Sasuke taking on Gaara and three other ninjas.

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- Not a scratch on Sussano.

- Show me proof that Gaara can pull Sasuke out of Sussano. I mean, your logic is literally insane. Why didn't he pull him out from underneath Sussano like you say he can in the above scans? See, assumptions. Unless I don't see some manga proof on this statement, you are just making things up.

- You have countered absolutely nothing other than one, two, three, no make that four baseless points that hold no manga relevance.

Glad to hear it, as I am getting tired of this.

 

[GiantShuriken]

picture what sasuke did to gaara in the chuunin exams, except this time he does it with a chidori enhanced sword of kusanagi. Low. Diff.

 

[genii96]

^ Since you are relentless, okay.

- Prove it that Madara's incomplete Sussano is above Sasuke. Any manga page will do. This point of yours shows how laughably poor your manga knowledge is. Secondly, your ABC logic is tactless here, he blocked C3, so that proves what?

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- Sasuke taking on Gaara and three other ninjas.

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- Not a scratch on Sussano.

- Show me proof that Gaara can pull Sasuke out of Sussano. I mean, your logic is literally insane. Why didn't he pull him out from underneath Sussano like you say he can in the above scans? See, assumptions. Unless I don't see some manga proof on this statement, you are just making things up.

- You have countered absolutely nothing other than one, two, three, no make that four baseless points that hold no manga relevance.

Glad to hear it, as I am getting tired of this.

prove that madara's incomplete susanoo is above sasuke?,are you serious?. A's chop broke sasuke's ribcage susanoo easily,mad1's ribcage took the chop and was unharmed,is this a joke?.you are comparing the susanoo of sasuke to madara shows how laughable your arguments are. You claim sasuke's susanoo is a greater defence,yet gaara blocked c3,and protected hum from a meteor,which sasuke's susanoo can't. LOL,hus susanoo blocked sand drizzle?,storm release temari's wind scythe and kankuro's puppets attacks and you compare that to c3?,which destroys villages?,pathetic argument

why didnt gaara pull sasuke out before?,how about he had only his gourd sand,how about it was the first time he saw it?,quit making piss poor arguments. Sasuke is walking on sand,gaara controls sand,it's a simple concept to understand

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gaara said he would use the sand under madara's feet,which he used to pull him out,sasuke is standing on sand,gaara uses the and uner his feet,throws him out,simple. There is no more denying it even uf you argue as much as you want
,and he dosent need to pull him out,
what will sasuke do if this shoots right under him?

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are you going to give some rat argument about gaara not being able to do that too?,how does sasuke counter that?.

Actually you are the one with baseless arguments,you have no way to prove that sasuke wins,infact you havent even said a single way sasuke would win LOL.

picture what sasuke did to gaara in the chuunin exams, except this time he does it with a chidori enhanced sword of kusanagi. Low. Diff.

yea,so love to see him cut through this

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then this

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that sword was defelcted by A in v1 right?.

 

[Kages]

Sasuke

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Sasuke

Location: Desert

 

[shelke]

Re: Gaara vs EMS Sasuke

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^ Since you are relentless, okay.

- Prove it that Madara's incomplete Sussano is above Sasuke. Any manga page will do. This point of yours shows how laughably poor your manga knowledge is. Secondly, your ABC logic is tactless here, he blocked C3, so that proves what?

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- Sasuke taking on Gaara and three other ninjas.

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- Not a scratch on Sussano.

- Show me proof that Gaara can pull Sasuke out of Sussano. I mean, your logic is literally insane. Why didn't he pull him out from underneath Sussano like you say he can in the above scans? See, assumptions. Unless I don't see some manga proof on this statement, you are just making things up.

- You have countered absolutely nothing other than one, two, three, no make that four baseless points that hold no manga relevance.

Glad to hear it, as I am getting tired of this.
prove that madara's incomplete susanoo is above sasuke?,are you serious?. A's chop broke sasuke's ribcage susanoo easily,mad1's ribcage took the chop and was unharmed,is this a joke?.you are comparing the susanoo of sasuke to madara shows how laughable your arguments are. You claim sasuke's susanoo is a greater defence,yet gaara blocked c3,and protected hum from a meteor,which sasuke's susanoo can't. LOL,hus susanoo blocked sand drizzle?,storm release temari's wind scythe and kankuro's puppets attacks and you compare that to c3?,which destroys villages?,pathetic argument

why didnt gaara pull sasuke out before?,how about he had only his gourd sand,how about it was the first time he saw it?,quit making piss poor arguments. Sasuke is walking on sand,gaara controls sand,it's a simple concept to understand

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gaara said he would use the sand under madara's feet,which he used to pull him out,sasuke is standing on sand,gaara uses the and uner his feet,throws him out,simple. There is no more denying it even uf you argue as much as you want
,and he dosent need to pull him out,
what will sasuke do if this shoots right under him?

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are you going to give some rat argument about gaara not being able to do that too?,how does sasuke counter that?.

Actually you are the one with baseless arguments,you have no way to prove that sasuke wins,infact you havent even said a single way sasuke would win LOL.

You are comparing a first time Sussano usage to Madara's usage? Are YOU serious? Show me any proof - I demand it - right now, any page which suggests that so and so form of Sasuke is a lesser form compared to Madara's excluding PS. Please do so.

Ultra BB Rasangan is a mountain hollower, and yet it didn't even dent Sussano bones. And you attack would obliterate Sussano? It would damage it, but tank it completely? A mountain is more solid than a freaking village, the last time I checked. Any attack that damages a mountain isn't a factor for your discussion, but an attack that damaged a bunch of houses is? Okay, whatever floats your boat.

Did he accomplish that alone? Last time I checked, Onoki lightened his stand to pull Madara out of Sussano. Is Onoki a part of this fight?

You need to reread posts then. Other than your attacks display that 'how is he blocking this or that', I haven't come across a single sizable argument.

 

[TobisPawn]

Sasuke should definitely take this, based off powerscaling off Naruto alone. Even without that, Amaterasu should suffice. That, and Gaara cant breach Sasuke's Susanoo, what with Enton Magatamas hitting any sand that comes close.

 

[genii96]

You are comparing a first time Sussano usage to Madara's usage? Are YOU serious? Show me any proof - I demand it - right now, any page which suggests that so and so form of Sasuke is a lesser form compared to Madara's excluding PS. Please do so.

Ultra BB Rasangan is a mountain hollower, and yet it didn't even dent Sussano bones. And you attack would obliterate Sussano? It would damage it, but tank it completely? A mountain is more solid than a freaking village, the last time I checked. Any attack that damages a mountain isn't a factor for your discussion, but an attack that damaged a bunch of houses is? Okay, whatever floats your boat.

Did he accomplish that alone? Last time I checked, Onoki lightened his stand to pull Madara out of Sussano. Is Onoki a part of this fight?

You need to reread posts then. Other than your attacks display that 'how is he blocking this or that', I haven't come across a single sizable argument.

show you proof that the susanoo of madara,is stronger than that of sasuke?,now you are getting ridiculous.

Oh and Sage Art:cho odama rasengan is the one tha is said to hallow a mountain,not the base version,and hallow a mountain simply means make a hole in a mountain,not destroy the entire mountain,so no,,it dosent match up to c3 in a million years,and the rasengan didnt dent madara's ribcage,the one that took raikage's chop without any damage,while sasuke's bones were snapped,while he was in a standing position. A mountain is above a village?,perfect susanoo sword destroyed a mountain range,it wont destroy a village with one slice alone,cho odoama rasengan is going to make a larhge crater in the ground of a village,not destroy it.

I guess you skimmed through the scans right?,cuz if you did you would notice when gaara said he would use the sand under madara's feet to get him,did noki lighten that one as well?,did he somehoe shushin to madara and lighten the sand under his feet?.onokilightened his gourd sand,gaara used the sand under madara's feet to pull him out,same thing happens to sasuke whether you admit it or not.

Actually,you should go back and rad the posts,cuz all you do is ignore the scans i post and blabber about how sasuke's susanoo isnt weaker than madara's?,i really LOL'd at that one. Oh and let me just show you one again

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how does he stop that from under his susanoo?

Sasuke should definitely take this, based off powerscaling off Naruto alone. Even without that, Amaterasu should suffice. That, and Gaara cant breach Sasuke's Susanoo, what with Enton Magatamas hitting any sand that comes close.

by powerscaling,gaara was mistook for a bijuu after one attack.

Gaara wont atack from the front,he will attack frim below,can sasuke take this coming right at his feet?

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[shelke]

@genji Actually, I am not. It's simple really. Unless you don't show me some proof for your claims, there is nothing in the manga that even remotely supports your logic other than PS which is rightly a superior version of CS.

The term hollow in my posts implies hollowing a certain portion of something. I never even remotely implied 'destroyed or hollowed' an entire mountain. You assumed that on your own.

A village is stronger in terms of defense and resilience than a mountain? Tell me you are not high. Please, this doesn't even make any sense at all. A village is made up of structures, a mountain is a solid compact stone. I don't even...

Gaara only pulled Madara out by lightening his sand; a feat done with the help of Onoki.

Other than PS, there is not a single sussano form that is not comparable to Madara's other than Itachi's that is (possibly) stronger than both due to Yata Mirror. Stop making things up and discuss things properly.

 

[TobisPawn]

Gaara wont atack from the front,he will attack frim below,can sasuke take this coming right at his feet?

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That's not powerscaling. What I mean is at this point, EMS Sasuke should more or less be as strong as BM, maybe KM, Naruto. Gaara isn't near that level, considering Madara raped him and 4 other Kages within minutes, while Naruto has managed to stay alive.

And can you use manga panels? Those images are pretty small. But anyways, all Sasuke has to do is jump to avoid that, or swipe with his Amaterasu sword. Gaara's slow; we all know that. Sasuke, on the other hand, kept up with Itachi and also reacted to SM Kabuto (both known for being fast). A well timed Amaterasu finishes Gaara, and Enton Magatamas, Amaterasu Sword, and Susanoo counter any Sand coming at him. Eventually, with all of the Katon use, enough heat will be generated for Sasuke to slam Gaara with a Kirin (if necessary), which finishes him for good.

Gaara's just outclassed in practically every matter:

1. Ninjutsu - Amaterasu, Susanoo, Katons, Kirin all either counter or completely annihilate Gaara's sand.

2. Genjutsu - If Sasuke makes eye contact, he can paralyze Gaara long enough to hop up on a hawk and fly over and stab him with a Raiton.

3. Speed - Sasuke's much faster than Gaara, and we all know this.

4. Taijutsu - If Sasuke gets close to Gaara, his Kirin-infused sword and Susanoo ribcage can hold off sand while he demolishes Gaara.

 

[genii96]

@genji Actually, I am not. It's simple really. Unless you don't show me some proof for your claims, there is nothing in the manga that even remotely supports your logic other than PS which is rightly a superior version of CS.

The term hollow in my posts implies hollowing a certain portion of something. I never even remotely implied 'destroyed or hollowed' an entire mountain. You assumed that on your own.

A village is stronger in terms of defense and resilience than a mountain? Tell me you are not high. Please, this doesn't even make any sense at all. A village is made up of structures, a mountain is a solid compact stone. I don't even...

Gaara only pulled Madara out by lightening his sand; a feat done with the help of Onoki.

Other than PS, there is not a single sussano form that is not comparable to Madara's other than Itachi's that is (possibly) stronger than both due to Yata Mirror. Stop making things up and discuss things properly.

right,so sasuke's susanoo is the same as madara's?,yea keep dreaming.madara's susanoo has legs,does sasuke's susanoo have that?susanoo is the users chakra in manifestation,madara had the most powerful chakra among the uchihas,his susanoo would naturally be stronger,unless you want to make up an argument that sasuke's chakra s more powerful than madara's?

Whether you meant hallow or destroy dosent change the fact that c3 is bigger than anything sasuke's susanoo has stopped. If deidara dropped a c3 on a mountain,it would obliterate it,so dont really get your point.

You keep asking for manga scans,i showed you one where it is blatantly said that gaara would use the sand under madara's feet,yet you still deny it?well deny all you want,there is sand uner sasuke's feet,gaara would use it to attack him,simple.dont know what you are stil arguing about.


I see you still cant counter the scans right?,

 

[nakumaru]

Lol Sasuke can't form Kirin in a desert

Nothing can reach Gaara if he doesnt want. Take to the skyies and use a giant ball of sand as cover. use Third eye shenanigans and then bury sasuke

 

[genii96]

@ TobisPawn,we both know BM naruto rapes sasuke right now.gaara faced madara alongside onoki and the clone even before the othes came,if mdara used the jutsus he used against the kages against the others,he would have won a while ago,madara said the kages were worth their titles,so that is something.

At the pages you suggested

gaara raises his hands

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and he was several kilo metres in the air,sasuke is on the desert floor,jumping wont do any good,and he wont know when it will pop up.
What will amaterasu sword do?,it's coming beneath him,not infront. Will the susanoo stab itself?

Gaara's sand blocked sasuke's flames at close range 3 times,he reacted to a forest created by madara and flew over it the instant it was made,how is his sand slow?

Desert has little moisture in the atmosphere,kirin isnt really an option. Gaara's sand already showed that his flames can burn through,and he can use those flaming sand against him.

Ninjutsu:katons?really?. Amaterasu is stopped by sand,gaara already blocked susanoo attacks. Sasuke has no answer to these

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. Susanoo defence isnt a problem,jis sand would attack sasuke's feet

2) he faced 10 sharingans without making eye contact,2 wont be a problem

3)speed:sasuke was faster,SRA arc gaara kept up with kimi who was easily faster than sasuke in the SRA arc,he blocked those blobs of flames from sasuke,and sasuke is in a desert where the ground he is walking can kill him. Gaara's sand is faster than sasuke.

4) taijutsu:how is sasuke getting close to gaara in a dessert?.

 

[shelke]

right,so sasuke's susanoo is the same as madara's?,yea keep dreaming.madara's susanoo has legs,does sasuke's susanoo have that?susanoo is the users chakra in manifestation,madara had the most powerful chakra among the uchihas,his susanoo would naturally be stronger,unless you want to make up an argument that sasuke's chakra s more powerful than madara's?

Whether you meant hallow or destroy dosent change the fact that c3 is bigger than anything sasuke's susanoo has stopped. If deidara dropped a c3 on a mountain,it would obliterate it,so dont really get your point.

You keep asking for manga scans,i showed you one where it is blatantly said that gaara would use the sand under madara's feet,yet you still deny it?well deny all you want,there is sand uner sasuke's feet,gaara would use it to attack him,simple.dont know what you are stil arguing about.


I see you still cant counter the scans right?,

- I believe you are either sincerely deluded, high, or both. Or you just can't seem to comprehend basic English whatsoever. I asked you to prove to me that how is Sasuke's Sussano form lessers than Madara's on basis of defense, not shape. As Sasuke's has CM has three hands and a bow, do you see Madara using these? No, he uses swords and Ysaka Magatamas. Different techniques. The issue here is defense, then there is nothing in the manga to support your logic. Just stop, as it's getting rather old.

- And I can't seem to get your points. Show me Gaara obliterating anyone's sussano on his own and you my friend, have just won yourself a debate.

- Really? You just love to see what you want, don't you?

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- Onoki made the sand around the adjacent area lighter as well, ‘I have made the sand around here Lighter’. Meaning he made ‘all the sand around that area light’. Look at him saying ‘with this I can’ and then he proceeds to manipulate the sand all around Sussano and inside it, and hence, manages to pull Madara out of Sussano.

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- He pulls Madara out of Sussano, but not before commenting that Rasen-shuriken would be useless on Sussano if it’s just like Sasuke. Another point on Sussano’s tough exterior.
Learn to look carefully next time. Gaara didn’t pull Madara out on his own.

Henceforth, 4 made up points, no proof, and a quite a bit of comprehension mishaps. Genji , you are wining, chap.

 

[genii96]

- I believe you are either sincerely deluded, high, or both. Or you just can't seem to comprehend basic English whatsoever. I asked you to prove to me that how is Sasuke's Sussano form lessers than Madara's on basis of defense, not shape. As Sasuke's has CM has three hands and a bow, do you see Madara using these? No, he uses swords and Ysaka Magatamas. Different techniques. The issue here is defense, then there is nothing in the manga to support your logic. Just stop, as it's getting rather old.

- And I can't seem to get your points. Show me Gaara obliterating anyone's sussano on his own and you my friend, have just won yourself a debate.

- Really? You just love to see what you want, don't you?

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- Onoki made the sand around the adjacent area lighter as well, ‘I have made the sand around here Lighter’. Meaning he made ‘all the sand around that area light’. Look at him saying ‘with this I can’ and then he proceeds to manipulate the sand all around Sussano and inside it, and hence, manages to pull Madara out of Sussano.

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- He pulls Madara out of Sussano, but not before commenting that Rasen-shuriken would be useless on Sussano if it’s just like Sasuke. Another point on Sussano’s tough exterior.
Learn to look carefully next time. Gaara didn’t pull Madara out on his own.

Henceforth, 4 made up points, no proof, and a quite a bit of comprehension mishaps. Genji , you are wining, chap.

1) i dont know where you got the idea that sasuke's susanoo was the same in defence as madara's susanoo. Madara had the most powerful chakra,the susanoo is the manifestation of the users chakra,therefore,the more powerful the chakra,the more powerful the susanoo,saske's chakra is dark and cold,hence the demonic representation of his susanoo. You urself cant show manga scans of sasuke's susanoo being anywhere as strong as madara's who was even tweaked beyond his prime. Raikage's chop smashed the ribs of sasuke's susanoo,didnt faze madara's own ribcage.

Actually,you should learn to read yourself,onoki said he made the sound around'here' lighter,or in other words the sand around gaara,madara was several metres ahead of them,otherwise he would have said around madara,and when gaara talked about the sand under madara,he made no mention of it being lightened or having anything to do with onoki. Even if you are right,he still has no problem doing it to sasule since he still has his lightened sand,or is there a manga page showing onoki making his sand heavy again?.
So,is there any magic that stops gaara from using the sand that sasuke is standing on?,cuz he really dosent even need to pull him out,just do this right under him

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and he is dead.

Oh,and you can keep ignoring the scans and act like you are actually fooling anyone.

 

[genii96]

- I believe you are either sincerely deluded, high, or both. Or you just can't seem to comprehend basic English whatsoever. I asked you to prove to me that how is Sasuke's Sussano form lessers than Madara's on basis of defense, not shape. As Sasuke's has CM has three hands and a bow, do you see Madara using these? No, he uses swords and Ysaka Magatamas. Different techniques. The issue here is defense, then there is nothing in the manga to support your logic. Just stop, as it's getting rather old.

- And I can't seem to get your points. Show me Gaara obliterating anyone's sussano on his own and you my friend, have just won yourself a debate.

- Really? You just love to see what you want, don't you?

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- Onoki made the sand around the adjacent area lighter as well, ‘I have made the sand around here Lighter’. Meaning he made ‘all the sand around that area light’. Look at him saying ‘with this I can’ and then he proceeds to manipulate the sand all around Sussano and inside it, and hence, manages to pull Madara out of Sussano.

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- He pulls Madara out of Sussano, but not before commenting that Rasen-shuriken would be useless on Sussano if it’s just like Sasuke. Another point on Sussano’s tough exterior.
Learn to look carefully next time. Gaara didn’t pull Madara out on his own.

Henceforth, 4 made up points, no proof, and a quite a bit of comprehension mishaps. Genji , you are wining, chap.

1) i dont know where you got the idea that sasuke's susanoo was the same in defence as madara's susanoo. Madara had the most powerful chakra,the susanoo is the manifestation of the users chakra,therefore,the more powerful the chakra,the more powerful the susanoo,saske's chakra is dark and cold,hence the demonic representation of his susanoo. You urself cant show manga scans of sasuke's susanoo being anywhere as strong as madara's who was even tweaked beyond his prime. Raikage's chop smashed the ribs of sasuke's susanoo,didnt faze madara's own ribcage.

Actually,you should learn to read yourself,onoki said he made the sound around'here' lighter,or in other words the sand around gaara,madara was several metres ahead of them,otherwise he would have said around madara,and when gaara talked about the sand under madara,he made no mention of it being lightened or having anything to do with onoki. Even if you are right,he still has no problem doing it to sasule since he still has his lightened sand,or is there a manga page showing onoki making his sand heavy again?.
So,is there any magic that stops gaara from using the sand that sasuke is standing on?,cuz he really dosent even need to pull him out,just do this right under him

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and he is dead.

Oh,and you can keep ignoring the scans and act like you are actually fooling anyone.

 

[shelke]

^ You should halt in your mental musings and try and read the manga carefully. Your lack of grasp is astounding. Madara's Chakra is more sinister than Kurama's, and Sasuke's Chakra is even more powerful than Madara's:

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Second is your persistence at sticking to your own self-made, pointlessness, which is becoming quite tedious now. What you are saying is mere assumption. Is there ANY scan to put weight on your argumentation in regards to Sussano defense? There isn't, so stop making stuff up. You are reducing your own points to a completely worthless state by belching this tripe. There isn't anything to support your logic, so lay off, for the love of God.

- No, you should. He said 'around here' NOT 'around you Gaara'. It's simple English, nothing else. Gaara pulled him out only after getting his sand lightened by Onoki.

- Since you have no point for your Gaara and are just cornered in now, hence the reason for these repeated baseless claims. The scans prove you wrong, you have been making stuff up right from the start, and there are no scans to prove your own logic other than 'should bes could bes' assertions on your part as a repeatedly hammered and rather weak argument.

- Who am I fooling? Other that how and why, where is your proof? Garra loses, get over yourself.